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2. Not important to me.
3. Early 90's 535i with manual/LSD; G35 w 6 speed/LSD
The LSs exterior is my favorite in the 4-door sedan class, bar none. The interior, while not bad by any stretch of the imagination, is clearly the LSs weakest aspect. I'm not fond of the primary gages (speedo and tach) at all, but at least their positioned correctly. Seat comfort, on the other hand, is top notch . . . even better than the A6. Clearly, the relative weakness of the LSs interior design did not disway me from buying and loving this car.
Couple the LS exterior with the A6 interior and the Jag powertrain, and you'd have one helluva car! Alas, patience . . . I think Lincoln's cooking up something sweet for us . . . Mania 3 anyone?
LLSOC Charter Member - Attendee of Mania events 1, 2 & soon to be 3!
(hey Artie, don't forget your sunglasses! ;-)
1. LS without a doubt
2. I will have to answer with a future model, the Cadillac CTS. Hope that is fair enough
3.I like the A6 quattro
http://www.thecarplace.com/linls.htm
Very interesting piece towards the end about the "leaping greyhound".
Bottom line the LS could use some more attention on the inside.
I just made my own mod to my air box and ordered a k&n filter but what a difference in sound from under the hood. I am thinking Borla next do i need to be talked out of it....?
Given that the LS is a better balanced platform any way you slice it, and the LS V8 engine is as powerful as the A62.7T, IMO, the LS represents the better overall sports sedan package and can be had for about $5K less. One could make the argument that the A6 has the better interior, but it's not $5K better!
I'll take (or, actually took) the handling prowess of the LS over the A6 anytime!
Now, if Lincoln would only drop in a 400 HP V8 into the LS as well as the Jag (without throwing off the weight balance), we'd be in M5 territory.
3 Best features
- Styling, all except rear end, and especially the profile.
- Tilt/telescope steering wheel.
- Handling, fun-to-drive.
3 I'd like to see improved
- Better performance for manual (>250hp, 6speed)
- Upgraded interior (better materials, more zest to instrumentation, add oil pressure and battery guages)
- Add the trip computer to the V6
The CLK interior, especially on the AMG models, is quite cool. The Audi TT is nice too. Haven't really paid much attention to many others though, so I can't really say.
Any of the German's powertrains are hard to beat when they are either M'd or AMG'd. Of course, those are also probably the only true sports sedans (i.e. a sedan that can actually compete against a sports car like a Porsche or Vette). The rest are only sporty luxury sedans (the LS included).
2. Looks
3. Rear Wheel Drive
1. Power
2. 6 Speed or 5 Speed w/overdrive
3. Torsen LSD
4. 3:58 Rear
1Handling ( this car is as sure footed as a Llama )
2Dual power seats w/ driver memory
3Curb appeal
3 I'd like to see improved
1Power ( give us something that can make euro sedans weap)
2spruce up the interior ( not by much )
3Move those bloody cup holders out of the way.
I'm certain I've seen this discussed before, can someone remind me what the fix was?
1. Handling
2. The absolutely most comfortable seats bar none.
3. Styling (I am a fan of understated elegance)
3 items I would improve:
1. Better quality materials (ie Audi leather, real wood, etc.)
2. More power. (Jag owners don't care as indicated by the fact that none of their discussions ever mention it.)
3. V8 6M with LSD. Please, Please, Please, Please!
Lousy answer, eh? My '00 does it once or twice a month, usually at a steady cruise. After 38k miles, with one rear window regulator as the only mechanical problem, I don't give it a thought.
Think I'll leave the survey alone. I have at least six or eight "favorites", and am hard pressed to come up with more than two serious suggestions for improvement. And they've all been covered.
On second thought, in light of the recently introduced Cadillac CTS, here's one of my top three features of the LS: Styling. And, a suggestion for improvement, sort of: Don't seriously mess with it! And never, ever, build anything that remotely resembles Cadillac's Luxury Sport Aztec lookalike.:)
Scott
LLSOC Member
Ride/handling balance
Solid and substantial feel
Engine sound at 6500 RPM
Improvements desired:
More power and low-end torque (displacement increase and VVT)
Better quality interior materials
A bit more aggressive exterior styling
RRS
Former charter member of LLSOC!
1. Exterior Styling
2. Ride/Handling
3. Occupant Comfort/Roominess
Needs Improvement:
1. Better Primary Gages (Speedo & Tach)
2. Interior Design & Materials (Including Trunk Liner)
3. Engine Refinement & Power
Just for everyone's information, there is a link to "Online Support" on the Town Hall Welcome page - that's a good place to report things like this.
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I wanted the Pilots but considered them out of my price range. Sears had them for on sale for $109. In addition I got road hazard which doesn't come with a mail order tire.
The turn in is like someone put a new suspension under the car. Much quieter as well. Now I hope they'll outlast the stones that were great for 20K.
Ray
LLSOC charter member
I replaced 4-year old Goodyears on the old Voyager with the cheapest thing I could find at Sam's Club (BF Goodrich Advantage Plus, for what it's worth...) and felt the same way - "Hey these sure are quiet, and now I can go around curves faster than 35 mph!"
Still have good tread on the LS OEM Firehawks at 21K miles, but I'm considering getting another set from the Tire Rack and storing them until they're needed. Any thoughts on how long they'll last at that price?
Pete H.
1. V8, rear wheel drive
2. Handling/ride
3. Comfort
Things I'd like to see:
1. More horsepower
2. 2 door coupe (if they don't do this I'll have the 2002 for 9 more years.
3. Exterior styling all to it's own. Keep the understated look but make it a tad more aggressive in appearance and eliminate the things that make you have to look twice to make sure your not observing a Mitsubishi Deliant or whatever it is.
Anyway, after putting 150 miles on the Town Car loaner I now get it. With the 2001 Town Car Lincoln has successfully emulated the 1967 Ford LTD my father had when I was a kid. The TC floats and wollows around just like that 35 year old beast. It's just like that '67 Ford was back from the dead only recreated with climate control and cup holders. The heavy nose dive on the TC, when you touch the brakes, is awesome, a real 1960's throwback along with the completly numb steering feel. By the way, feel free to scold me if I complain about my LS's cup holders again. Even the original LS's cup holders are magnificant compared to useless holders on the TC (as attested to by the coffee spilled all over the place from previous drivers of the TC loaner).
The guy at the dealer acted like was doing me a big favor giving me the TC. Given the choice I'll take a Sable next time.
The author Jerry Flints makes some great lines here.
http://forbes.com/2001/11/19/1119flint.html
Leasers think short-term and like new things to try. It looks like the previous poster with the new Jag isn't that happy. Brand loyalty is a fickle thing, and leases enable, almost force people to make frequent decisions about their rides. I think buyers make more studied decisions for the long term.
Three years ago, the LS value decision was a no brainer. The only V-8 in the class and only the 2nd RWD 4 door Manual outside of the propeller badged monopoly for 15 years.
Recently, the CTS and IS300 have joined the Manual club in the same price range. The CTS also has great handling but for this year only it features the old Opel 54 degree V-6. Next year the "Shortstar" could change the quirky stature of this car to full bore competition. The IS300 is small and fairly stark and has not had the success Lexus hoped for.
The real megaton bomb in this segment arrives soon at your local Infinity dealer, starting at $27,000. But if the dealers sniff what I think is going to be a runaway best seller, they will load up these babies with every option and you will see a repeat of what happened in 1970 with the first 240Zs. Price Gouging. When the smoke clears later in the year, The six-speed Manual edition will arrive, and if Nissan doesn't do their power inflation routine, 260hp and 260 ft lbs of torque should make their new G35 a poor man's 540i-6. We are talking about low to mid six-second 0-60 and probably pretty good handling. Called the Skyline in Japan, this platform has been refined for decades.
I don't think any LS owner has jumped for this car yet, as dealers are only taking deposits. It is a smaller car than the LS, and I have not seen a road test yet. But I think this is the car to watch. I think that this car may be the first RWD, 4 door, manual sports sedan outside the 540i-6 and M3/M5 to have the proper transmission ratios including a real overdrive and a rear end with limited slip.
I see the low 30k range as where the fire is, and I'm sure the midnight oil is burning somewhere in Detroit (or Dearborn) to evaluate all this before we do. They have been firing the engineers back there but they need to get rid of the real dead weight of all the "marketing" types. BMW calls themselves "an engineering company that happens to build cars". I think Detroit needs to let the engineers rule. I don't think they let the "marketing guys" design fighter planes. If they did, we would be speaking German right now. Ok, I'll put my asbestos underwear on.
A German plane was leaving a German airport and the German pilot asked for clearance in German. The German controller replied in English that he must speak English to get clearance. The pilot asked why a German in a German airplane in a German airport had to ask for clearance in English?
A British pilot promptly replied "Because you lost the bloody war!".
Anyone notice Car & Driver ranked the 2003 CTS only five points better than the 2001 LS it tested? Boy, Cadillac really "Burst" onto the scene with the CTS...
Has anyone else had this problem and if so, was there any fix? I was also told that this was related to the temperature being between 30-40 degrees and in Chicago it was 65 this past weekend and it still did it.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
America. Yes, I stand corrected on the Caddy engine. The guys and the 14 year old girl on the CTS forum throw the "Shortstar" term around but I guess it was never really built. I would really regret buying the first year of the CTS with a "temporary" engine. And I do feel slighted by the C&D test. Besides the obvious fact that they left the boat trailer attached during the 0-60 run, how could they compare a FWD Saab with the LS? And I really doubt if I will ever see a Manual CTS in my lifetime. I don't think the dealers will stock the CTS manual, and the salepeople won't be of much help in selling "the [non-permissible content removed] Caddy". This will probably be the first and last manual since the Cimmaron debacle. And it will take someone really unique to like the styling. It's butt ugly from the front!
Please, Scooter, pick up the pieces, throw off the chains and let's rock and roll (or is that Autocad now). I wish you could come out to Mania 3. You could drive some of the club member's "modified" LSes.
"Why keep it simple when expensive and complicated works just as well."
Quite a hoot, unless it's your wallet! There also used to be a garage here that fixed imports that had lists of the makes (Jag, BMW, Alfa, etc.) around the top of the store. The "Fiat" logo had been crudely painted over, really just x'ed out by someone who appeared to be PO'd at the time, and they wouldn't even touch a Fiat.