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The 2.5 liter is not being phased out entirely. Jaguar, however, wishes to divide X-type sales with 75% or so being 3.0 liters, as that engine is the more spectacular of the two in terms of the driving experience (currenly 75% of X-types are sold with the 2.5 liter engine). In whatever the future holds, Jaguar is to start utilizing the engine blocks from Volvo when the current blocks (both V8 and V6) are no longer applicable for upgrades through the years. A 3.5 liter version of the current AJ-V6 is speculated, but may not come about before the switch to Volvo-based engines in the future. The reviews have just started noting how good the current engines really are, with much praise being showered upon the V6's of late (mostly the 3.0). That Jaguar can get 250 horsepower out of its 3.0 liter engine is quite a feat, as Mercedes gets only 215 out of its 3.2 liter V6, Audi 225 from its 3.0 liter, BMW 225 from its 3.0 liter (235 with the new performance package), Lexus 215 from its 3.0 liter and 225 from its new 3.3 liter, Infiniti and Acura 260 - just 10 more horsepower from engines with half a liter more displacement each than the Jaguar engine, and Cadillac 220 from its 3.2 liter 6. More horsepower is always a benefit, and it should be able to boost the X-type's already top-end of its class quickness even higher. The 227 hosepower 3.0 liter in my car allows it to act like a rocket, especially compared to the other normally-aspirated Jags, and the magazines have all been commenting on how the X-type 3.0 has "great legs" (C&D 10/03) and an engine that gets "universal praise," (R&T 03) so 23 more horsepower will be felt in their nano-second measuring tests. 6.3 seconds to 60 is the time for the 250 horsepower engine to beat. Plus, the 250 horsepower X-types have new sport suspensions and will have the 6-speeds, which will make them more fuel efficient, smoother, and probably add to their quickness. Jaguar is just doing what it takes to keep every generation Born to Perform.
If the figures that have been bouncing around are correct, a 2.5 with Automatic, Premium Pkg. and moonroof would cost as much or MORE than the 3.0 which has all of these features as standard. I don't believe that 2.5 sales will even reach 25%, maybe 10% for those who want a good lease deal on a 2.5 manual with no options.
I know we're both just speculating. Hit me back if you feel my conclusions are off.
JAG
I know it's kind of late on replying to this subject. But, I just found this discussion board today. Anyway, here is the lease deal I got from Crown Jaguar at St. Pete, FL on August 28, 2003:
2003 X-Type 2.5 Automatic w/Platinum metallic paint
$301 + $22 tax per month for 48 months
12,000 miles per year, $0.12 per extra mile
$2,300 down including first month payment.
I am glad to see Jaguar slowly phasing-out the 2.5L. It is simply weak and under powered. I cannot wait to get rid of my lease for a quicker Jaguar. When Dodge Neons beat the 2.5L at a stoplight, it is time for a new car.
The 2.5L is the only thing I would change. Why would anyone want the 2.5L now if the 3.0L is more economical?
Do you think Jaguar marketing thought of this before offering the deap discounts?
Is that right/recommended?
I thought oil changes should be every 3k miles or 3 months or at least every 6k miles.
I dont anticpate 10k miles in 1 year.
Jaguar offers the 10K service for free. If you let the oil go that long, your engine WILL build sludge. Lexus used to recommend this service interval and now has to take back many leased "sludge" cars. "Sludge Car" is the technical term the Lexus dealers now use. What about the people who own? Well, they are stuck with expensive engine repairs. How do I know this? Well, an acquaintance is a chief mechanic for Lexus and tells horror stories. Lexus did their customers a disservice and now Jaguar is doing the same.
Even if you do not drive 10K miles in one year, change the oil every six months to be safe.
I had the Jag oil changed at 4K miles to be safe even if the car is leased. The cost was an appalling $49.00 at the dealer. However, the dealer performed a lot of free maintenance, replaced a defective tire and performed a mini-detail, so the price is palatable. Love this service!
Question: Are both the 2.5L and the 3.0L made is Cleveland, Ohio? Does Ford make the S-Type engines in the states or in England?
I test drove both, got the X-Type and am very happy with the AWD performance on wet pavement. Got me through the Washington, DC Blizzard last year. Also test drove the S Type against the G35 and made the mistake of a buying the Japanese RWD G35. Already looking to trade this for the S Type-R.
I much prefer the 4.0 S Type to the 3.0. The 3.0 reminds me too much of the Lincoln. They share the same engine and platform and the Lincoln is far less expensive.
The AWD G35 will be nice as the engine is outstanding. Infinity is doing nothing to boost engine power to compensate for the AWD extra weight. Infinity receives praise for keeping the current RWD G35 weight low. Now they are changing this by adding inches to an already lean waist. It will be interesting to see what the astute Edmunds.com reviewers say. After all, they did not give the X-Type a good review which baffles me.
Why does Edmunds not solicit input from real-world drivers? Maybe their reviews would be more objective?
The G35 interior is cheap and the car has front brake problems that Infinity will not fix. The paint chips, the CD changer eats CDs like Roseanne Barr eats donuts and the rear brakes fail to illuminate in many G35s (a recall Infinity was reluctant to issue until the government forced their hand). Once you deal with Infinity Service, you may buy Jaguars for life. You are merely a number. That is, they could care less about future business unlike Jaguar. All this from a "luxury" manufacturer?
My vote is for the X-Type with the Infinity G35 blazing engine! One can dream, right?
You continually trash Infinity service. Could it just be your particular dealer? After all, they were designed to compete with Lexus when the division was formed. Lexus of course is noted for their great service. Just curious. I have not heard such bad things about Infinity before but I have no experience with them. I recently rented a new Maxima with 3K on the odo and talk about torque steer. If you accelerated while turning a corner, you better have a firm grip on the wheel as it tries to rip it from your hands. You can't compare a fwd car with a rear or awd car.
Oh, the a/c units fail within 5K miles and Infinity must order these parts. The paint chips on most G35s and Infinity blames the wind. These problems are COMMON. Read the Infinity Board posts. This was Motor Trend Car of the Year? What were they smoking? Maybe they will work out the issues in '04 much like the X-type differences between '02 and '03?
There is one excellent Infinity dealer in my area: Passport Infinity in Alexandria, VA. Unfortunately, it is a long way from my home in MD. The two other dealers close to my home are terrible to hell-like.
Infinity compete with Lexus..not a chance. I owned a Lexus and service was great across all dealers. A good deal can be soured with bad service. The savvy car buyer knows better.
The FWD Maxima and the FWD Altima 3.5 share the same engines and they both have terrible torque steer. They both share the same engine with the RWD G35 and the RWD 350Z. While the engines are the exact same, Nissan/Infinity reports they have different horsepower ratings. One chief mechanic tells me differently, but who really knows? I just think it is good marketing. That is one thing the Japanese do well: market.
I am so happy with Jaguar service compared to Infinity. My dealer, Manhattan Jaguar in Rockville, MD is wonderful. If my service advisor ever quits, I will sue the dealership for pain and suffering for making me switch advisors. When you have a good service advisor, make sure he/she stays put!
Again, I must add the Infinity is fun to drive and it is scary fast. If Jaguar puts a comparable engine in a 33K car, watch out!
Just as brakes are not breaks, so too is Infiniti not Infinity.
Infiniti G35. Infiniti I35. Infiniti Q45. Etc.
From other experiences with initial quality, things that go wrong early, does anyone have any suggestions for things to pay special attention to when having the walkaround with the salesman?
e.g. any particular fittings typically loose or not flush?
TIA
My parents, brother and 2 friends have Infinitis in different cities, and their service is inconsistent.
I must say, recently I have noticed a distinct improvement in my Jag service. As the market becomes more competitive, perhaps dealers are realizing the one area the truly have control over when it comes to customer satisfaction is service.
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In the X-Type in Europe, there is an 2.0 inline 4 cylinder engine available, with 130hp. Weird, in an Jaguar!!!
What do you guys think of that?
Moreover, you make spelling mistakes. It is "buying" and not "buynig." Your grammar is horrible and you use words out-of-context.
Those in glass houses should not throw stones, especially on a Jaguar message board where the population appears to be highly intelligent.
I agree with everyone..a 2.0 4-cylinder in a Jag? And a smelly diesel like the old Mercedes? Instead of being compared to the Ford Taurus, people could compare this to the Mercury Mystique. Say it ain't so! I am silently screaming (oxymoron) as I thought Jag is adding more powerful engines to this already awesome vehicle?
USA: www.infiniti.com
Canada: www.infiniti.ca
Infiniti is a subsidiary of Nissan, like Lexus is of Toyota or Acura is of Honda. I'm not sure if Nissan even sells Infiniti outside North America. (Thought I read recently Toyota was finally going to market Lexus in Japan and elsewhere.)
Let's not worry too much about any of it as long as we understand the meaning of the message, okay folks? And if we don't understand the meaning, it's easy enough to ask.
As a former teacher of English, this, to me, is amazing...
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But are they going to make a 250 hp with a 6sp at any time soon? I want the best one I can get. Should I wait to see if the changes will happen?
X2 Sport Package :
• Body Colored Front Surround Grille .
• Body Colored Bumper Blades .
• Body Colored Trunk Lid Mounted Spoiler .
• Black Side Window Surrounds .
• Wheels: 18 in. x 7.5 in. Forged Alloy (Aruba) .
• Tires: 225/40ZR18 Pirelli PZero (Nero)
Low Profile tires with 225mm width, 18.0" rim .
• Sport Tuned Suspension .
• Dynamic Stability Control .
• Xenon Headlamps w/Automatic Leveling .
• Front Sports Style Seats .
• Perforated Leather Seat Trim .
• Leather Trimmed Steering Wheel .
• Alpine Premium Sound System w/Single CD w/XY & XZ.
• Includes body colored trunk lid plinth..
The 3.0 is only $3,000 more and includes auto and the moonroof/fold seat. It would appear that the price is very close and you may as well get the bigger engine.
Since V6 Nissan Altimas and Accords now have 240HP, I hope it is standard and not just on the Sport model.
Is there a web site with listings of all the available Jaguar extended warranty coverage details?
this was a concept at this year's frankfurt autoshow. it won't make it to showrooms in this form, but may "inspire" future models.
as for the 04's, yes, they're arriving at dealers (saw one last week). There is a $3K+ price drop, with $2K+ additional standard equipment.
If this is true, then it would seem that the Jag's full-time system is better.
I think the X-type may be a great car, but I'm concerned about reliability and resale value. I'll go back and read the previousposts on reliability, but which car would you choose? Also, why such a huge incentive? Are they not selling well? If they're not, why not, they seem to be a great car.
Thanks for any help.