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Isn't not is a double negative, and as we all know, (-)+(-)=(+), therefore you are saying the Focus HAS BEEN recalled and is currently being investigated by NHTSA, which is true.
As Erik (#42) pointed out, the list is really only showing a few "imports" and a lot of good old Ford, GM, DC products, not considering the ever-important Freightliner trucks. And amazing thing is that we have the Sienna and Honda Passport that are Japanese cars on that list. Well the Passport really isn't a Honda as you know. The Sienna? I think it could be that engine sludge thing, pretty important IMO!
Anyways Kev, we LOVE our PROs and some of us don't think too highly of Ford in general for obvious reasons.
Dinu
Actually Zoom Zoom founded it. Just giving credit where it's due.
Number 42,
The Japanese stopping the manufacturing line??? My lord, I thought they only did that at Saturn!!! Excuse me while i wax non-poetic.
Seminole Kev,
That list is quite incriminating for the argument that NA models are really pieces of junk. Also, I can't "recall" whether the Focus was ever recalled for engine compartment fires. After all, there have been so many various problems. However, they are being investigated for problems concerning engine compartment fires....
At the bottom of my message (which was way to long) I did note that the Pro was no where to be found for this month's listings but for some reason, it didn't show up.
By the way, reading blueovalnews is like getting information about a company from someone who was laid off from there. You might get some usefull information, but you're going to get a lot of biased crap along with it.
Meade
also sorry about how damn long that post was with the montly NHTSA list was.
Meade
Meade
Have a fun drive home from work you lucky so and so. The same cannot be said for Dinu and I. We have several inches of wet, wet snow which has now turned into freezing rain. It's going to be slippery today. Thankfully i resisted the urge to put the alloys and Potenza's back on the car. I actually only took them off about a month or so ago. I was a procrastinator this winter...but then again, we didn't have much snow.
Fuel ecnomy is not too bad either. I went 65 miles and have used 1.8 of a tank already. I guess that's good, not sure.
Dinu
Am I rubbing it in too much?
I still kill me...
North Dakota is the only state where you can stand on a pop can (soda can) and see two states and a country.
I really can't make that claim. ND is one of two states I can say I haven't stepped foot in. But if ND is like SD, then I think I am on solid ground here.
Dinu
Their posts do make interesting reading as I stated in my closing. But having the SiR crammed down our throats was getting old. Keep in mind that unless you autocross, or something like that, cars are like cameras and computers, you enjoy them solo most of the time. So there's nothing to compare them to on the road -- legally.
I drive to enjoy my car, not to test it against other drivers and their cars. If they have better wheels more power to them. Let it be!
My friend in Hawaii doesn't brag about his Porsche Boxter and e-mail me that it's waaaay ahead of any Protegé. He tells me how much he is enjoying it. We are the same age. He recently lost his wife, I'm happy for him that he bought it and is getting out.
Comprende amigo? Oh yeah, that's right, you are in Canada not Mexico. So many hispanics in NC I've started learning Spanish. You know, I have yet to see a Mexican driving a Jetta, not even an old one. Do they know something?
fowler3
I've driven a Jetta (same problem only worse) but haven't yet tried a new Protege, but the specs on the turning circle are the same as the Civic. Since I find myself often in small places, alleys, narrow streets, etc. This is important.
Can anyone help me choose a new car? It must be small or very small but have lots of luxury items, must turn very sharp and since I'm short, I gotta be able to see where I'm going! Don't suggest the new Mini...like to stay in the sub-compact price range. Thanks.
It helps, later, if you write down the post number the first time you read it.
fowler3
Try one of the newer Protege sedans and see what you think.
--Dale
One benefit with the Protegé is the seat can be raised higher than in the Civic. But there's another way for either car -- get your dealer's service department to put spacers under the seat rails to make it higher. Then use the seat controls to adjust the seat height. Sitting higher helps you to see over the steering wheel and more of the hood.
You could also use a seat cushion. There are several ways to correct your problem. Try these before trading a 2001 for a 2002, although we would love to have a new Protegé owner. For you, it is important to sit higher and not closer to the steering wheel and airbag. You need to make the driver's seat more like a chair, less like a bucket seat.
fowler3
I will be interested to see who buys my car from Carmax once it's for sale. I hope it's somebody good.
I received a call at my home yesterday from the service manager asking if the repair of my cruise control was satisfactory. When I said they could not even fit me in until next week to for the work he said that was impossible. I laughed and said, you work at the dealership and we are talking about MY car, so who do you think is in a better position to know whether MY car has been repaired?
I know this dealership for whatever reason is making a BIG push to rank high on their customer satisfaction ratings with Mazda North America. The salesman must have asked me 4 or 5 times to make sure I filled out the questionaire from Mazda after I bought the Pro. But, they're going to far too fast. I received 2 calls from them inquiring about my satisfaction with the car and their employees when I took delivery of my Pro. The problem was, both calls were made to me long before I took delivery. Now this. Nothing big, but I think they need to slow down a bit and regroup. It is nice, however, that they care at ALL how I've been treated. But when they make mistakes at each turn, it makes me certainly feel as if there is no real sincerity there.
Ron B.
He requested, albeit politely, that I not give him anything lower than an 8 in any category.
Pretty funny, no?
--Dale
"Well I've learned to never inject reality into a Protégé topic again."
Some of us here actually AGREE with you ... the Protege isn't God's answer to the automobile. (But it is one of the BEST answers to a sub-$20K automobile ... note I said "one of.") This topic is full of reality ... so just for the record, I don't appreciate being dissed as a group on another topic so you can make a point about your debate with a small percentage of this group's members. Please note that I have been notably absent from this group's thread on Protege vs. Civic Si etc.
Maybe stop and think about your point for a moment ... there are some people who are fanatics about their cars, just as there are people who are fanatics about their choice of stereo components, brands of shoes, hair shampoo and laundry detergent! And those people probably became fanatics because they had a good experience with the product, wouldn't you say? So they're ready to extoll their praises about that product and defend it if someone questions their purchase? It's pretty natural.
Let me summarize this by saying, if people aren't supposed to be fanatics about their cars, then why are there so many active discussions on the Town Hall? I think you'll find a core group of at least several owners on any Town Hall topic you choose, ready to defend their car to the death. It's pretty foolish (okay, I'll say stupid) to think that people who just did a bunch of research and test-driving of Proteges, Civics, Corollas and other cars, and decided to buy a Protege with their hard-earned money, are going to admit that well, yes, they should've bought the Civic instead.
Meade
Dale, these surveys are important to the dealerships because that's how they receive their "five-star ratings" and other ratings in the car biz. (Maltb can probably enlighten us a bit more on this.)
But I'm like you -- I think it's kind of assinine of them to basically call us up and beg like that. I haven't received that survey yet, and even though my experience was great, I feel like giving them a few bad marks just because they had the audacity to call me up and try to influence my vote.
I wonder if they ever consider THAT response to their "friendly call."
Meade
But why is it that this time of year, we'll get *just enough* of a morning sprinkle to really cement that pollen to the car and polka-dot it up real nicely? That, I HATE!
Meade
No worries...I kind of understood where you were coming from. I'm just going to go play in my Strawberry Fields now and Let it be...