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Jeep Owners: Recalls & TSBs
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A TSB has finally been issued for the NV3550 transmissions in the 2000 model Wrangler. A copy of the the TSB #21-003-01 can be seen at the following link. If you are having problems with you trannsmission, take a copy of the TSB with you to the dealership and get it fixed. Here is the link:
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A TSB has finally been issued for the NV3550 transmissions in the 2000 model Wrangler. A copy of the the TSB #21-003-01 can be seen at the following link. If you are having problems with you trannsmission, take a copy of the TSB with you to the dealership and get it fixed. Here is the link:
http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000876.html
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thanks onlyinajeep!
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I am trying to think what is different about highway driving as opposed to stop and go city driving, and the one thing I can think of is the sustained higher RPMs of highway driving. Since the water pump speed is dependent on the engine RPMs, maybe pressure is building up in the cooling system, and the radiator cap is not releasing the excess pressure like it should? This would force some coolant to be discharged somewhere, I would think.
This is all just a layman's speculation, and I do not pretend to be a mechanic. Someone with better knowledge might shoot this theory down.
Please let us know how this turns out, OK?
Tom
After MANY failed attempts to repair the problem (which included installing new seals, re aligning both doors at the dealership's body shop and replacement of the soft top) my attorney got the dealership to purchase the car back from me. Took five months, but we got it done! (Told you I would not give up until a resolution was found!)
There are numerous 2005 & 2006 Wranglers that have SERIOUS water leaks (more than what would be considered a "normal" amount of water leakage for a Wrangler) and Chrysler may now be forced to acknowledge the problem in light of my case.
If your new Wrangler is leaking, I encourage you not to "settle" and keep the leaky auto. You paid good money for the auto and it should not leak (my 2004 Sport never leaked right up until the day it "died" in an auto accident. So don't let anyone tell you that's the way it goes when you own a Wrangler.) Keep complaining and bringing it back to the dealership. Keep all your paperwork which will create a paper trail. And, finally, hire an attorney if you need to. (Dealerships tend to listen to attorneys more than customers, unfortunately.)
If the dealership (and ultimately Chrysler) qualified this auto for a buyback, it proves my original theory that there is a serious defect in these Wranglers causing them to leak so badly.
Concerned first time Jeep owner.... :confuse:
Took it to the dealer about two weeks ago. Showed them where it was leaking from (plastic brackets around the door have a rubber "gasket" where the two parts meet -- this is where the water pours in.) They kept it for a week, originally saying they couldn't find the leak. Then they saw it leaking and told me they had to "wait for a part" but they didn't know when the part would come in. They actually told me to put a tarp on this "Go anywhere, do anything" vehicle when it rained until the part came in.
I called Chrysler to complain and first they acted concerned, saying they were actively researching the cause of the problem and how to fix it. (I told them that other brand new 2005 X's and Sports on the dealer's lot had water in them also after a heavy rain and there was obviously a defect.)
Then today when I called Chrysler, they told me it was "normal for a Wrangler to leak...that's why they have drain plugs in them" and that there was nothing they would be willing to do to fix the problem. I heartily disagreed with them and told them I would have my attorney contact them.
Anyone else with this problem?
Harlan
Chrysler initially admitted there was a problem and has now changed their tune. I have been to two dealership service depts. and neither knew/knows how to fix the problem. So right now my Sport is sitting at the second dealership -- has been there for a week while they "trouble-shoot" and "wait for parts to come in."
Let me know if you find out anything else.
What I would do is to get a Grand Cherokee book and isolate all wires which have connections through the firewall. Then meter out all the wires on both sides of the firewall. I do not know if a diagnostic machine actually meters each wire, sensor, switch or contact which leads to the main computer chip controlling temperature. What you are looking for is an electrical short. This short is related to a temperature sensor or electrical system to control temperature.
In order to duplicate the gripe, you need to determine length of motor operation, speed, temperature at shut-off or something that might coorelate to the gripe. The technician needs some help in isolating the gripe in order to program the diagnostic machine.
A common problem with jeeps are faulty connectors passing wires through the firewall. If any wire is shorted or has a high resistant short, it will shut off at various random times/operations. Quiz your technician, because he's probably clueless on what he should be looking for.
This problem is also occurs when joy riding through water and the firewall gets splashed with water or mud.
See if that helps.
John
It's all absolute nonsense. Chrysler is blowing us all off because they know they have a major problem with a lot of their 2005 Wranglers and are just hoping all of us who bought the defective cars will go away. Which I won't, by the way!
The amount of water these leaking Wranglers are taking in is beyond what would ever be considered "acceptable" (if, in fact, taking in any water is acceptable) or "normal." And water damage most certainly will signficantly reduce the value of the cars, as the interiors will eventually rust out and the cars will start to stink. Try trading in, or reselling a car with rust all over the floorboards, or one that stinks like mold.
If all 2005 Wranglers were, in fact, "designed" to leak, then all of the 2005 Wranglers should be leaking everytime they get wet -- but they don't. I am currently still trying to work with the dealership where I bought the Sport in hopes of getting this issue resolved. Will keep you posted.
BTW: right now my Sport is in my driveway, wrapped up nice and tight in a brand new Home Depot tarp in anticipation of the rain we are supposed to have here again in the Garden State this evening/tomorrow. :mad:
So, anybody know how long it took to replace the camshaft gear on their Jeep recall? Did your Jeep run/perform correctly after it was repaired?
Thanks!
Quie
Rear wiper goes on when it feels like. Also it comes on for a few seconds when you turn the ignition on. The cruise just stopped working and the light doesn't even appear on the dash. I checked all the fuses and I can't figure it out. Also the temp is not reading right on my upper console. Everything else is accurate except that. I have changed the sensor but that didn't do anything. Even if it is -15 it could read +7. Extremely confused.....please help. :confuse:
Read your posting and i will soon be starting my own Lemon Law case. My 2005 Wranler Sport goes back to the dealership tomorrow for the 4th time since Jan. it will be well over the 30 day maximum for attempted repairs after the latest stint at the dealership. can you provide me with any more info on how you went about getting a full refund? any advice, info, whatever will help. if you could, please reply at jehnmg@hotmail.com, as I check this regularly. If anyone else is out there and knows any tricks on how to get your money back (I live in NY), please let me know.
Thanks, MJ
My attorney worked directly with the dealership where I bought my Sport and resolved it that way. We found other 2005 Wranglers on their new car lot that leaked also (that they were selling as brand spanking new cars, even though they knew they leaked) and told them we would contact the media if need be to spread the word about their dealership and the kinds of autos they were selling. (I am a journalist.)
The bottom line is that no one would listen to me as a consumer. It took an attorney to get them to listen. And listen they did.
Here's the overview. My Sport had been in and out of the dealership service dept., while they attempted to repair it, since September 2005. The last time I brought it there, it sat at the dealership garage for nearly two months while they attempted to work with Chrysler to find out why it was leaking so terribly.
Turns out, during that time, they left the Sport outside in all kinds of horrible weather and made no attempt to keep the car dry (even though they knew it leaked.)
I went up to the dealership on a hunch one Sunday to see if the Sport was in the garage,(we had just had a big ice storm the night before, and I had a gut feeling which told me to visit the dealership to check on the car.) Sure enough, the Sport was outside, in an open, unsecured parking lock, unlocked. Hunch confirmed.
I opened the door and the inside of the Sport was filled with 3" of standing ice on both sides of the floor. (The water that had leaked into the Sport over the last few weeks had frozen solid.) So the Sport was basically trashed -- while in the dealership's care. (At least when I had it in my care, I kept it dry by covering it each time it rained with a huge tarp.)
Here's the kicker: each and every time I had called the dealership to see if any progress had been made in figuring out why the Sport was leaking, they assured me that the it was inside the garage, safe and dry. Liars.
Keep in mind, even though I had no use of the Sport while it was sitting at the dealership "being fixed" I had to continue to pay my car payments and car insurance. I was out quite a lot of money at the end of the day, but comparatively speaking, I got off cheap.
BTW: I also had a heck of a time getting Chrysler Financial to issue me a "0 Balance" letter, indicating that the Sport had been paid off. They got their money promptly, but made me squirm to get what I needed. Surprise, surprise.
My advice? Get an attorney and get ready for a good fight, realizing that you may (or may not) come out victorious.
The dealership will know that they ahve to break the makeshift seal to repair the scratch and will have to deal with whatever happens after removing the top to do the repairs. Which is more fuel for your case. Make sure to get receipts from everyone documenting the whole thing.
BTW: I checked out the dealership web site where I bought my leaky Sport this evening. I see that even though they did a buyback on my Sport because of severe leaking, they are now selling it as a "Certified" used car on their lot. :confuse:
I am going to get a friend to call up to the dealership tomorrow to ask the salesman point blank why a 2005 Sport with only 3500 miles on it is on their used car lot; why it was traded in -- and if there is anything wrong with the car.
folks' problems...
Let's try to stick to offering up solutions to problems in here please.
Steve, Host
(former Jeep & Toyota owner)
As far as the scratch on your door, if the body shop knew what they where doing they would just take the door off the Jeep and leave the top alone.
And yes sometimes it is bothersome to have a little water in the Jeep but I pulled the drain plugs in the floor so that it wou8ld not hold the water in.
One thing you might try is to put a small piece of black tape were the plastic door molding meets the windshield bracket that did seem to slow the leak in mine.
One last thing, People are either Wrangler drivers are they aren't. The Wrangler is not built for everybody. If you can not handle the ride or the weather then maybe you shouldn't be a owner. I do know the 2007 models are built a little different so maybe they won't leak.
The 2005 Wrangler I had was a lemon, plain and simple -- the fact that the dealership bought it back proves that. My 2004 Sport (R.I.P.) was great -- in fact, it saved my life when I was broadsided by a 2005 Dodge Ram Truck two summers ago. That's why I bought another one as soon as I got the insurance check.
So yes, I think I'm very much a Jeep person. I've had two in less than 3 years. But the 2005 Wrangler I had was defective -- as are many others out there -- and that is just a fact.
information regarding the future purchase of a vehicle. It has enabled myself and many
others to steer clear of jeep products. Keep up the great work...
If you have half doors(not full metal) then the Jeep will leak and the salesperson should have told you that.
Second, check the trim piece that is removable with full metal doors and make sure the tape is covering the foam were it connects to the Jeep. Close to the top of the windshield. That is how I fixed most of my problem.
Both I, the dealership service dept./body shop did everything we could think of; tops were changed (hard and soft;) all trim and door mouldings were replaced; doors were realigned; actually, all of these things made the leaking worse to the point where you could not take the Wrangler out in any kind of rain, as it would just leak steadily and slowly fill the front and back floors up with water.
What can I say? I just got a bad Wrangler. It happens. Hasn't turned me off at all...there's another one in my future...it's in my blood