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Even if doesn't, Ford is incredibly litigation-averse, and a simple letter to the company president (Edsel Ford) from any attorney will guarantee prompt action and intervention.
Good luck!
William Clay is the company president of course. Freudian Slip I suppose.
I guess I have 3 options..the motor, the switch or the module. Anyone have problems like this?
TagMan.
I am pleased to report that the new '05 is flawless. Not one problem to report after almost 3000 miles. The car is very nice. Fit and finish is perfect, and there are no rattles, clunks, or error messages.
By comparison, I had issues from the start with the '04. The interior leather trim and trunk liner were sloppy on the day it was delivered, and the error messages on the cruise and airbags started within the first week...It only got worse from there too!
This experience just points out the pitfalls of buying a newly introduced car in the early months of production. In the nineteen months that passed between the time that my first '04 came down the assembly line and the time that the '05 was assembled, they obviously got the kinks out of the build process, and they remedied the problems and gremlins.
That said, I am now once again converted to a loving Jaguar owner, My XJR is quick, comfy and classy. It also gets great mileage for a big sedan that goes from 0-60 in 5 seconds. These are great cars.
fenn - That's just terrific! When I consider all you were able to forgive, just so that you can love your Jaguar again, it is quite a testimony to the magic of Jaguar. Few cars in the world have ever had so much mystique.
TagMan
To tell you the truth, after all of my problems, I really wanted to find something else. I figured that I would start over, and chalk it up to experience. I shopped around, and looked at several other cars. I mainly focused on getting an A-8 or BMW 750. However, after driving the A-8, 750, and Mercedes offerings in the same price range as the XJR, I would get back into my lemon '04 and feel how quick and responsive it felt. I was having mixed feelings.
The comparision with other cars in the $70k plus range made me realize how quick and light the XJR felt, but since mine was an unreliable mess I never thought I would do it again. Needless to say, I was really happy that Jaguar and my dealer came around to try and save the day.
That said, I have to say that the interior and quality of materials and execution on the Audi A8 is the best I have seen, but the A8 is a heavier, less responsive car. The loaded and supercharged XJR is the pretty much in the same price range as the relatively basic versions of the BMW, Audi and Mercedes, and it yet it is much quicker...It feels like a quick sled by comparison. The gas mileage is better too. The Jaguar is really responsive and lithe in its feel.
Meanwhile, in a basic XJ8, you can still get many of these attributes, they are just a little less visceral feeling than the XJR when you push your foot down on the accelerator.
Sorry for the rambling response....but I think that you can sense that I like my new Jaguar much better than the old one!!
Hopefully, after all you endured with your 04, Jaguar accepted full responsibility for their Lemon and made you an offer you couldn't reject.
That would be the only reason for rewarding a car company with another purchase considering the process they put you through on the 04.
I wish you smooth roads, quiet travels, and trouble free miles for the next decade.
P1384 Engine Misfire (Twice)
P1396 Engine Misfire (Twice)
P1000 Fuel Air Metering Emission Control
I'm not too sure what all these things mean in concert, but perhaps there may be someone who may be able to unravel this puzzle. In the meantime, I have to say that it is by far the most comfortable highway cruiser and driving environment I've ever experienced. Right now I have a 96 MB Diesel, a 99 Passat, a 97 A4 Quattro, and the Jag. It's the second one I've had (other one was an XJ6L) and I hope it becomes a long term keeper.
Thanks!
Yes all modern cars that are imported must comply with CA emmissions standards. And yes, I have had dealings with Silvey Motor Company better known as Jagaur of Austin or www.jaguarofaustin.com . These guys take the off lease cars direct from Jaguar off lease program, and sell them all over the world. I know this because when I was there, a truck took one of them away to be put on a boat going overseas (I saw the itenerary). This is where most pre-owned European cars come from, but they WILL show you the inspection reports from Jaguar, or BMW or Mercedes or wherever. Lots of these cars are in excellent shape, but some are old wrecks, or ex-rental cars that are thrashed or whatever. Texas cars direct, or now www.jagsforless.com WILL NOT show you these reports, they claim they don't even exist!! I'VE SEEN THEM!!!! They take the dogs from the auction, and slick them up in their body shop and dump them- what you see is what you get- fresh paint and bondo. I had one of these Dallas Dumpsters, and found out it was previously wrecked (carfax didn't report it) but it was cheap- at first. Then the electricial problems started because of pinched wires. Trade in was horrible because the other dealers could tell it had been wrecked.
The people at Silvey Motors are HONEST.
In any case while I have had no dealings with Texas Cars Direct they have an excellent reputation. If they are buying from the same source as Silvey then their cars wouldn't necessarily be any better or worse. With respect to the car you mentioned, if the Carfax didn't pick up a past wreck I'm not confident that a casual inspection at an auction will either. I think you are being too hard on a firm that has a good rep.
And minimize the other guys
Whose enterprise has made them rise
Above the guys that criticize."
Thanks
BTW, did you get the rear multi-media package? Or Jaguar-Voice Command?
Just curious what you paid for the car, and how it is equipped. There have been MASSIVE dealer and factory incentives for the '05's. Historically, it will be seen as one of the very best purchase opportunities that ever happened for a Jaguar buyer. Especially since the current model is so much more reliable than its predecessors, and has much of the latest technology. Not to mention it's a "gorgeous" Jag.
Congratulations.
P1384 Engine Misfire (Twice)
P1396 Engine Misfire (Twice)
P1000 Fuel Air Metering Emission Control
I'm not too sure what all these things mean in concert, but perhaps there may be someone who may be able to unravel this puzzle. In the meantime, I have to say that it is by far the most comfortable highway cruiser and driving environment I've ever experienced. Right now I have a 96 MB Diesel, a 99 Passat, a 97 A4 Quattro, and the Jag. It's the second one I've had (other one was an XJ6L) and I hope it becomes a long term keeper.
Thanks!
I think the installation is likely to be very nice, however, but I'd sure want to see one first. It's not the $900 that I'd be worrying about . . . it's the Vanden Plas!
Good luck.
TagMan
TagMan
What kind of warranty? . . . coverage? duration? legally-binding? etc.
Price of warranty?
So I swam upstream and bought the first Infiniti M35 delivered here in Tucson ... I'm averse to buying the first off model. I've done nothing more than routine oil and filter changes in eleven months and the frequent visitors to the M35 discussion board are unanymous ... no problems. No issues.
I came here a year later still craving a Jag ... I think it's the most stunningly elegant looking car on the planet ... and decided to see what the owners have to say ... worth a great deal more than any commercial evaluations. As I read the posts here I find item after item that has Jag owners perplexed and annoyed, trips back and forth to the dealers, interior trim issues, turn signal issues, etc. (As an aside, one of my associates got an R a few months ago and the horn honked every time he used the turn signal.) So while I continue to drool when ogling an XJ8L or Vanden Plas my longing for that elusive Jag wanes.
It wouldn't be a fair comparison were it not for the fact that the Infiniti is MUCH less costly car ... mine fully equipped was $53K ... more on a parallel with the Lexus GS ... but I love the M and am reassured that I made the right decision.
Best of health and happiness to all of you. Bart
Most folks here would agree with that. The latest marketing campaign says it well . . . "gorgeous".
This is my first post here...I am looking at a 97 xj6 with 76k miles on it for 13000.00. It's a one owner, emac cond.
What do you think of this car. What are the normal things that goes wrong with it...how muuch are the norema repairs, ....
What are the pros and cons on this car...any feedback would be helpful....
I bought a 97 XJ6 in 2001 with 25k on it. Its an great vehicle. I thought if I bought a "classic" luxury car like a Jag, I'd be more of a Car guy. It didn't work. I enjoy the car, but just don't spend my time tweaking it, polishing it, etc. Anyway...
My 97 has some quirks:
1) the auto seat positions buttons have a mind of their own. Sometimes the door lock will join in the rebellion. (Oddly enough, disconnecting the battery resets everything .)
2) If it misfires once, the "Check engine" light doesn't turn off until you get it reset.
3) I'd say if you are taller than 6'or have bad knees), you won't like getting in & out of this babe.
4) It is horrible in the snow. (But you will look good in it the other 300 days of the year).
Take it to a local shop for routine maintenance and you will save a lot of $$. If something really goes wrong, the dealer is the only one that can help.
Why is he selling it is the only real concern, I'd have. Did you see a newer Jag in the driveway?
Good luck,
Sure, we've all had dreams about buying a geat car although used and getting some life out of it. But, lets review some basic economics. The cost of something is not what you pay for it but the difference between what you pay for it, ongoing maintenance costs, and eventually sell it for. Most of these used Jag sedans are going to be money pits for starry eyed people of moderate means.
Does that mean we should all buy used MB sedans? NO! The pricing while falling is too high and their reliability is too low. On top of that everyone and their brother is driving one. The best deal out there right now is probably a used '04 XJ for under 40K. Great car, great reliability, but low buy price because people still think that all Jags are like the ones discussed in these posts.
This reminds me of an article in one of the fine English car mags last month. Their plan was to take a used XJS, perform some basic maintenance at a leading US after market Jag parts specialist in NH and then drive it across the US. After two, repeat two tries, they gave up when they couldn't even get out of NH. And the car had been decently maintained, well prepped, and seemingly was ready to go. It was so bad they couldn't even diagnose the problems!
I had owned a two Cadillac Eldorado STS from 1995 through 2000. I enjoyed the sporty response and rapid acceleration. But when they announced that the model would be discontinued, I decided it would be a good time to step up in the world. At that time, the updated Lexus LS430 was introduced and it fit my budget. I owned it from 2001 through 2005. I had 68,000 problem-free, quiet, comfortable, mind-numbingly boring miles. It could go fairly fast, and with the "European Sport Package" could take corners fairly well, but it really didn't want to go fast or corner hard. As the lease came to an end, I resolved to get something more engaging. (Yes, a lease with 68,000 miles--what was I thinking?)
I test drove everything that was supposed to be a sporty sedan. (The wife required that it be a sedan.) I drove everything except the BMW 7 Series because it is still not good looking and no one I know has mastered the I-Drive.
I was especially looking forward to the Audi A8 because all the car magazines rave about it, and my wife had once owned a 2001 Audi A4 3.0 with quattro, and it was SO fun to drive. I was expecting a A4 with legroom. Nope. Ponderous feeling. Noticeably not quick. And after the Lexus, unacceptable cabin noise.
Drove the '07 MB S550 (a few were around the town available to drive). The best Lexus Mercedes ever made. Certainly much faster and better mannered than any MB I have driven before. (I have never been an MB fan.) Also nice looking, inside and out. But it just felt heavy and uninvolving. Other than the speed, it was difficult to see why I would pay $25,000 more than for a new Lexus. (And this was just before Lexus announced the new LS460.) I also tried a CLS55, which was extremely fast although it always felt as though it was wokring hard. The ride was not that punishing on the behind. But while the interior fit and finish looked nice, it somehow felt down-market. And it truly is a 4 door coupe. I doubted my wife would consider it a sedan.
The Maserati Quattorporte made me smile so much. I even found a way to snag three test drives! But each time after the adrenaline wore off, I couldn't help but wonder about reliability, fuel costs, insurance costs, repair costs and availability of qualified mechanics. And it is pricy. I sure hope Maserati can match others'reliability in the long run. This is car that deserves to be in the market.
So I was forced to drive a Jaguar. (I literally didn't want to because when the new aluminum model came out a few years ago I had sat in one and couldn'f find a comfortable seat position.) I drove a JX8. It was nice. The dealer wanted me to try a XJR. I declined because I assumed it would be rougher riding than I had become used to. He talked me into trying a Super V8. Golly, it made me smile. Literally. Stupid fast, willing to run at the slightest provocation, so light and responsive. Quiet even when risking tickets for unlawful exhibition of speed. Smooth ride. And the extra seat buttons on the SUper V8 got me into a comfortable driving position. So this is what Jaguar fans have been talking about all these years? I'm joining.
I have had the car for 8 weeks and have 2,000 miles on it. No problems, mechanically, but did get one speeding ticket. I'm being careful now.
I'm sure you made the right choice, for you. Jags aren't for everyone. They are quirky, they probably have too many problems, but I can't help but smile nearly every time I get inside, nearly every time I see that leaper on the hood, nearly every time I hear that engine purr.
Jags are like making a choice in life between that sensible sweet girl next door and that elusive blonde cheerleader drinking the tequila shots and entering the wet t-shirt contest. You might not want all your cars to be Jaguars, but you should surely enjoy one once in your life. Then when you're in that rocking chair 20 years from now you can think back and smile.... be it the cheerleader or the Jaguar... or if you're very lucky, both.
I bought a 1997 Vanden Plas about 8 months ago. I travel in it alot and have put approx 20K miles on it in the time that I've had it. I've NEVER had any problems before, however it jerked about 4 or 5 times at 70 mph on the highway and then cut off. I pulled to the side of the road and it cranked back up. It's done it twice in the last week. I replaced the fuel filter but it did it again. Its only done it after I've been driving continuously for a couple hours, it won't do it when I've only been been driving a short while. Any help?? :confuse:
Their asking price is $34,995 which seems to be quite a bit below the market in my area. Carfax is clean on the vehicle - it had been a company car for someone locally. I will need to review the owners manual to figure out the NAV system and a few other features so I think I will see if I can take it home overnight for a bit more inspection and investigation.
Meanwhile, can any of you Jag owners provide any thoughts of specific things to look for, be aware of, or be concerned about?
Actually, I see '04s advertised in the mid-30s at non-Jag dealers quite a bit in this area. Certified cars from the Jag dealer are usually over $40k for a low mileage 'O4. This is the lowest I have seen for a fully-equipped '04 Vanden Plas, though.
I need to do a bit more investigation on it.
Have a diagnostic performed on the car to make sure it is OK. It's worth the money. Are you certain that you have checked the complete service history on this car? If all checks out fine . . . DO IT! Do not hesitate, and consider yourself very lucky.
TagMan
Just Curious
DL