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What is the "typical" maintenance schedule for an E-Class?
I see that the 3 year prepaid maintenance is $769.
If oil changes are every 10k miles and I only drive 10k/year then I plan on only needing about three oil changes / tire rotations over a 3 year period
I'm guestimating that MB oil changes are a minimum of $100 and probably about $125, so that would $375 for 3 oil changes.
I'm guessing there's a "major" service interval around 15k miles where they replace all the filters and other service items.
I don't see how all that adds up to almost $800 over three years.
Would appreciate some feedback on this.
Thanks!
Just because you add something like maintenance or fees to the cost of the lease doesn't mean you now only pay 25% of it ...
Think about it....
However, you are right, 24 month lease does not make sense to get maintenance, because you'll service your car only once during the entire lease. MB prepaid maintenance is minimum 2yrs/ 24 months, so it will be waste of money...
Service A is about $250;
Service B is about $400;
Service C is about $300.
If you put maintenance in the lease - you will save, because it will be residualized. Here is what you need to do:
1st make a deal. AFTER you make a deal and agree on the monthly payment. Only after that, you need to tell them that you need to add pre-paid maintanance for no more than $10-$12 per month. If they don't want it, then you walk and NO DEAL!... Trust me they'll take it.
$10 x 36 months = $360. You do the math...
I think you are confusing "negotiating" with the mechanics/calculations of the mercedes lease....but I have been wrong before. However, Mercedes does have maintainance as an option on the car in their configurator, which is why I am now very curious.....
Is it mileage (Service A @ 10,000 miles),
or time based (Service A @ 1 year)
I'm considering a 3 year least and wondering if I average 10k miles/year resulting in 30,000 miles over the life of the lease if I'd ever hit the trigger for the C Service.
Thanks!
I can't answer the other part of your question. Mercedes does insist that you get the services done, as part of the lease agreement, but if you are returning the car back at the end of three years with around 30K miles on it, my guess is that you would not have to do the C service.
By the way, besides maintenance, you can residualize rear seat video systems, spoilers, wheels, running boards etc...
Every time I lease, I learn something new.....
http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalAssets/pdfmb/maintenancebooklets/2011_Mainten- ance_Manual.pdf
Scheduled maintenance is every:
5000 miles = tire rotation
10,000 miles or 1 year = oil change, wiper blades, fluids
So on a 3 year lease assuming <10,000 miles/year, would I need the 3 year maintenance plan or would the 2 year do?
I'd return the car right before the third major service interval.
The third year's tire rotation would be out of the plan.
Does anyone know how much just a tire rotation would be at a MB dealer?
Thoughts on this approach?
I read through the posts here, and then went into the dealership and told them what I wanted. Their first offer was $48,400. I told them I would pay $46,000 and they agreed (my husband and I were both surprised because there was no haggling) We had financing lined up through Pentagon Federal at 2.49% for 5 years and they offered to match it, I told them they needed to beat the rate for us to go with them and they offered 1.99% for 60 months (the loan is actually through Bank of America instead of MB Financial).
We only paid the tax, title and license fees required here in Texas. I made sure there were no add-on fees for using their financing. We purchased the car instead of leasing - so I don't know if that makes a difference. I did not trade my old car in.
They had to bring the car from another dealership (we got the Iridium silver with the wheel package - tough to find in Houston) and we had to wait an extra couple of days. The car had just over 100 miles on it when it arrived, and I was planning on walking from the deal. They ended up throwing in the window tint and the maintenance package to salvage the deal.
Hope the information is helpful. We purchased the car at MB Houston North.
Ummm, why? They had to get the car from another dealer!! It's 100 miles.... and you thretened to walk away? Just curious why 100 miles would make you walk away from the deal. Personally, if I were the dealer, I would have laughed you off of the lot.... Come on, man.... get real.
I just picked up a white 2011 E350 4matic on Saturday. They didn't have the exact car I wanted, so they also had to get it from another dealer. The car had 240 miles when I took delivery.
I've had 2 other leases and they've both been 36 month.
Not a big deal either way, just curious as to the rationale.
Thanks.
I was asking how much MB charges for a tire rotation.
I'm trying to get an accurate assessment of the total cost of ownership for the first three years.
I understand that I have to get the car serviced at MB if I lease it, but is it worth it to use the prepaid maintenance or if I'm a low mileage driver is it advantegous to go "a la carte"?
To phrase it another way, it I didn't prepay the maintenance, what maintenance costs should I expect to pay.
How much is an "a la carte" oil change?
How much is a tire rotation?
What else could I expect to pay?
I took my Infiniti in for scheduled maintence at around 12,000 or 15,000 and it was over $600, largely due to the replacement of "wear" items like multiple air and cabin filters, wipers, etc. Big surprise, so I'm trying to get info on what to expect from MB.
BTW: Infiniti as also started charging a $6/day fuel charge on loaner cars... :confuse: The cost isn't the issue, it's the fact that they don't tell you up front and the promise of the "free" loaner during the sale.
(I am having discussion, so far friendly, with my dealer because they did not offer me the mercedes maintenance when I leased the car)
Previously, I had three leased Infiniti M's and never had a "preconfigured" service done on any of them. I changed the oil and filters at the dealer. I never had a problem returning any car at the end of the lease. As of early August, my Infiniti dealer did not charge for loaners....it's probably a dealer decision. (I returned my M37 early on a 39 month lease (hated it) and leased an e350 BlueTec for 24 months at the end of August). BTW, I am paying less per month on the Mercedes due to the extremely high residual on the BlueTec e.
I hope you enjoy your car, i'm happy with mine so far.
It's an incredible bargain...and by the way, it drives wonderfully and it isn't slow by any means.
One or the other, not both.
Good luck.
2021 Genesis G90
I am not aware of any other discounts or incentives available at this time.
Thus, if you cannot qualify for a USAA discount or a conquest discount, then the 10% under sticker is not a bad deal. That would be below invoice for the vehicle and, in addition, they are probably giving you additional discounts using their hold back.
Without any other information from you, I cannot tell if you are getting the best deal or not.
Do you qualify for the conquest discount?
Do you qualify for the USAA discount?
If not to either of the above, then 10% is not a bad deal.
Good LUck.
2021 Genesis G90
The 10% does include conquest discount.
I do not have USAA discount.
Would you say the 18% includes both discounts?
Any recomendations on dealers in North Jersey? Prestige only offers 10% (including Conquest).
Perhaps it is wise to wait for 2012s (in my case).
Thanks
However, no matter where you are, the deal is still a good one. Remember, there are not alot of E350's around. My dealer has only 4 left, and the dealers in my area (all owned by the same corporate giant), have less than 14 combined E350 sedans.
The 2012's are expected in by October 1st. so they are not that motivated to sell their remaining E350's at deep discounts. I am sure most dealers are jsut about out of E350 sedans.
I ordered a new 2012 for myself, and it should be at the dealership in about 2 or 3 weeks. I was just up to the dealership, and his inventory of 2011's is very, very low. Even the 5 other Mercedes dealerships within 30 miles of mine (remember, all owned by the same company), have next to nothing left.
Good luck.
2021 Genesis G90
I was able to get 9k off MSRP on a E550 (even harder to find). I ended up at 54k for E550 P1, Leather, Parktronic, Sport, so I am not sure you want to pay 50k for an E350... maybe see if they have any 550's left and get a better engine etc.
Remember, he does not qualify for the conquest discount nor does he qualify for the USAA discount. Thus, the dealer is selling him the car for almost $2000 under invoice for the vehicle. He is probably giving him the $1500 incentive available.
What makes you think the E550 has a better engine? Because it has more horsepower and burns more fuel?
2021 Genesis G90
I think it's that part...
While noting your observations on fuel economy, the vast majority of people would agree...
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You both have valid points.
I do qualify for Conquest Rebate. The 10% discount offered by Prestige included this rebate.
As for V-8 vs. V-6, it is a personal preference. In the past and presently I had/have both and both have possitive and negative qualities.
This one will be ashort distance commuter in conjested North Jersey.
MSRP $60,306
Sale Price after Conquest $54,533 for 2011 E350
I do not think I will pay much more for 2012 E350 and get to choose colors/options I would like to have. Now I need to find a willing MB Dealler.
Thanks fellows
If I was in the market for an 8 cylinder vehicle with 385 horsepower, give or take a few horsepower, I certainly would not buy an E550. I would opt for the CLS 550. Why drive a $65000 to $70,000 E350 with an 8 cylinder engine when you can get one with a 6 cylinder engine for $15000 or so less. It's beyond me, to tell you the truth.
2021 Genesis G90
2021 Genesis G90
Not exactly! Besides the much more superior engine, E550 has different suspension: AIRMATIC. Better wheels and more standard equipment and if you load E350 - you'll be very close to the E550 price. E550 ride is exhilarating and effortless. Performance- wise is day and night. You can see the clear difference when you drive both, especially uphill, downhill and canyons. There is no comparison: E550 is way more superior vehicle. There is no big difference in fuel economy either.
The only reason I got E350 is because the leasing program for E550 is terrible. Huge difference comparing to E350.
"I certainly would not buy an E550. I would opt for the CLS 550. Why drive a $65000 to $70,000 E350 with an 8 cylinder engine when you can get one with a 6 cylinder engine for $15000 or so less. It's beyond me, to tell you the truth."
That's another statement I disagree. CLS550 is a 4-door coupe and it has no space in the rear seat. You can put 2 kids at best. E550 is a Sedan, where you can fit 3 adults in the rear seat plus decent size trunk. As far as performance, read this article: E550 vs. CLS550, E550 wins in almost every category. It actually compared the previous generation CLS before it was redesigned in 2012, but majority of it remains true...
I was comparing the E550 v E350 for a few thousand different, which was the example I posted. I was able to get the 550 with leather, parktronic, comfort seats with massage, sports, AMG wheels, P1 for 54k, which was a similar price to the OP's for a 350.
Also the I test drove both, and for me the 350 did not have enough power off the line, up hills, on ramps, I like the extra power (coming from an XF supercharged). Also I was not going to spend 45-50k and get MB Tex seats, that seemed a bit ridiculous. The airmatic suspension is also great and as Storm said the vehicle sits 4 comfortably.
Finally if I was going to get a CLS550 (which is a sweet ride) it would have to be the 2012 which has no incentives and would cost 20-25k more than I paid for the e550.
When the new e350 comes out, I would have a harder time justifying the 550 due to the new 300+ HP engine, but the current 350 did not compare to the 550 for only a few k more. Again if you can get a 350 for 45-46k then it is a 10k decision and it would be a lot more difficult.
As for your question about leather rip protection and ding/dent protection (and probably tire and wheel protection), here are my thoughts based upon my experiences as a Sales Manager at a new car dealership for luxury high end vehicles (I'm retired now):
Firstly, the leather rip protection is not worth the cost. If you should rip a section of leather, a leather pro can fix it for a few dollars using resins, etc.
Secondly, the ding/dent protection is fairly good (I'm assuming you are leasing this new vehicle, because otherwise, it makes no sense to get it). If the cost is less than $200.00, it is worth it for a leased vehicle.
Finally, the tire and wheel protection would pay for itself if you should blow out a tire and damange the rim, which would usually happen on a blow out. I believe the cost should be about $495.00 for the term of the lease.
Remember, these "add-ons" are a means for the finance person to make some extra bucks for him/her self.
I hope this has been helpful.
2021 Genesis G90
Can you share with us what your final price was and what part of Country you live?
I read through your posts and don't see what your final price was.
Thanks!
I am hoping to pay about $56,000 for the vehicle, give or take a few hundred, but we will see.
2021 Genesis G90
Do you think the end of year/holiday incentives that MB offers are the best deals they offer all year?
I'm wondering if I should consider getting out of my lease early to take advantage of the MB offers.
Thoughts?