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MSRP 26,400
Delivery 440
Leather 1,700
Documents 195
No gouging. No accessories you MUST buy. Just honest folks who don't want to make a killing. I dealt with Ennis. Will be getting SS from their November build and they guarantee I will like the leather or they will have it redone at another place. Can't ask for much more.
I tried Autobytel. They had a salesman from Curry Honda in Chamblee Georgia call me. When he gave me a price $1,350.00 above MSRP and I declined the offer telling him I was looking for MSRP he hung up on me.
I also tried AutoVantage. They had Jeff Deason from Sutherland Honda in Lithia Springs call me. I again stated that I was looking for MSRP and had in fact found a dealer willing to sell for that amount. He told me to take it since there weren't any dealers he knew of in the area doing so. He was at least polite. Might have to call Clark Howard regarding Autobytel.
I am trying to buy a '01 Ody EX. I talked to Barrington Motorwerks, an Illionis dealer. He wants MSRP, no forced upgrades. Wait of 3 to 6 months based on my choice of colors. Is this the best any one can in the midwest? I am trying few other dealerships. Has any one any experience?
What interior color seems to be the favourite, especially with Granite green,dark Emerald, or SS.
Thank you.
$27,238 including cassette, cargo mat and a $49 documnet fee. No add-ons, paint sealer, protection packages, etc. No pressure, no hassle.
Ordered late August, could have gotten a '00 in two weeks, but opted to wait for the '01. They had an unsold '01 GG EX come in on the same truck that I could have gotten instead, but after seeing them side-by-side, we preferred the SS with the "Quartz" interior vs. the "Fern" interior on the GG.
Someone said earlier they thought the SS looked "white". There was a TW EX parked next to mine this morning, and I can assure you the white looks white, and the SS is definately silver. It is a very nice platinum shade of silver, and is really beautiful.
Bailey did a great job - and a favor. The van came in a week ago, on the 28th, but a new law was passed in Oklahoma effective October 1st that changed the price of a new car tag from 1.25% of MSRP to a flat $85. Bailey agreed to hold the car for delivery until after the 1st, saving me about $250 on the tag.
I'd also be curious to hear about other's experiences for both sales and service in the Chicago area.
As for interior colors, I don't think you have a choice. Each exterior color has a specific interior color which comes with it.
;-)
I am sure that there are some dealers in areas that don't turn them over as fast as we do, especially if they 'add on'.
I ran into a customer that is "on the list" from another local dealer. They receive 8 per month, and will put you on the list for 500 under MSRP...but will not guarantee you a car. Does that make any sense? We guarantee each person a car at allocation day. Good luck to you.
numbers figured out, and the salesman kept asking
me if I was going to buy options....I didn't
understand why he was so interested in that until
he showed up with the contract with the options I'd requested priced out. Their prices on the options were 400% over MSRP! I asked them if these were MSRP and he said yes. I then pulled out a photocopy from the Honda price guide listing the MSRP (which I got from another dealer) and showed him he was lying. He went off and got the sales manager who told me that was what they wanted for the options and that they wouldn't sell the van without the options!!!!!! I could take it or leave.....needless to say....I hauled my [non-permissible content removed] out of there and call Honda corp.
An example of their prices-- they wanted $399 for
the roof rack crossbars which MSRP at $107.
So if you want to buy a Honda, DON'T go to the
lying b&^%$#*'s at Carr's Honda on Western Ave in
Chicago! Unless you want to get taken!
After reading other posts here I see that they are not the only dealers ripping off poor dumb consumers! So I would have to agree with the other people that say "DONT BUY THE OPTIONS" unless you get a good price for them. Here are some example MSRP prices off the list one dealer gave me (the 2nd number is the invoice number where I have it)-
Splash Guards-$89 ($81)
Cargo Tray-$99 ($61)
Bike Attachment-$169 ($125)
Cargo Cover- $99
Ski Attachment-$129
Roof Rack for LX-$299
My dealer in Gurnee was going to sell me the
options for invoice....so I've got an order in with them for one. Rosen Honda in Gurnee IL has
treated me very well! If you go there ask for Matt Weiner-he's been a great salesman for us!
Yes I did register my complaint with Honda. I doubt that's going to do me any good. I have also talked to the General Sales Manager and he insisted that I got a GREAT deal. Oh well. Price I paid to learn about Deceptive Trade Practice.
Now, all of us will be happier in paying less and will do so when possible. But, in the meantime, it is still pretty much pay MSRP or close to it if you want an Odyssey at all. If you don't then be happy with your choice. But don't be so sure that the fool isn't the one who settled for less value so that he could trick himself with the manufacturer's arbitrary price labels....
anafe: Yeah, it may be rewarding to battle the dark side in a showroom and ultimately triumph in the end with a "good" deal. For what, so the value of your van or suv can plummet as it seems all domestic products do. Now if you have Toyota products, it's another story. Honda's resale value will be based on MARKET CONDITIONS and if 99% of buyers paid MSRP, you can bet resale value will follow that figure. I'll sleep better at night knowing I have the most popular, best rated and most reliable van on the market. If paying "MSRP" is required for that peace of mind, then so be it.
anafe: Don't be "ripped off" as well!
But, if buying something "at invoice" that represents less value in terms of build quality, reliabilty (cost and frequency of repairs), depreciation, resale value and other factors mentioned above, then the joke's on you.
For example, there are a lot of smug Dodge owner's who have bragged about their great "invoice" deal they got, vs. the Odyssey, without realizing thier van wil be worth 40% less than the Odysey in 3 years, and who, based on historical repair data, will be in the shop much more than Honda owners will, and will be drivng a much less safe van.
Great deal, huh?
Besides, all the best built cars sell at a premium. Just try getting a BMW, Lexus, or Mercedes for $500 over invoice.
Thank you, I WILL enjoy being "ripped off".
Last Friday, we went to Gene Norris Honda in Mentor, Ohio (about 10 miles northeast to Cleveland). They have several Odysseys in stock and more are coming in. We had a deal with about $300.00 under MSRP on a 01 SS Odyssey EX w/ nav. (documentation fee $69.00).
We picked the van on Saturday and enjoyed it. We have called several dealers around Cleveland area. Gene Norris Honda is the only one have more than 3 Odyssey in stock. My salesman is Leo Tomcany.
Thanks!
Is there a really big difference between the EX and LX my dealer is able to get the Ex's a lot faster, and I'm not really sure if it makes that much of a difference. Please help!
Roof Rack - useful to me for bikes with my Yakima rack attached.
Alloy Wheels - I obsess over scratching them but they are lighter and supposedly fewer vibration issues than steel wheels.
Security System - depends on where you frequent. Discount on insurance is nice.
Power Driver Seat - Allows for extra fine adjustment as I am 6' and wife is 5-3
Power Doors - Why didn't they think of this before. Some people have safety concerns and some problems.
Audio System:
CD Player - All I own, even the kids' stuff.
Steering Wheel Audio Controls - Honda did not
do the best job here and as such the dash
audio controls can be obstructed. I use the
wheel controls almost exclusively.
Automatic Climate Control - Where have you been all my life? Set it and forget it for the most part.
Just my opinion.
We had been leaning towards the LX, but figured over the long haul the EX would fit our needs best.
Did I miss anything guys???
Tim, the equal opportunity smart-aleck.
Which reminds me of the old joke:
A guy asks his date, "Will you sleep with me?"
She answers with an emphatic, "NO!"
So, he asks, "OK. Will you sleep with me if I give you a million bucks?"
She says, "Well sure."
He pursues the matter, "Will you sleep with me for 10 dollars?"
"What kind of girl do you think I am?!?" She demands indignantly.
He calmly answers, "Well we've already determined what kind of girl you are. We're simply negotiating the actual price now."
;-0
There are more MSRP scam complaints from Honda and Toyota than any other manufacturer.
http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/holdback_list.html
Hey, they made a great minivan. The invoice is relatively low. The MSRP is relatively low. Once the dealer buys the vehicle, it is out of Honda's control. Some dealers charge over MSRP because demand far exceeds supply at MSRP or even higher than MSRP. Yes it is annoying, but if dealers let the vans go at $500 over invoice, can you imagine the waiting list? Frankly, take a look at what you can get in the way of minivans for say $27,000, look at reliability data, and it's easy to see why people pay MSRP or above.
This isn't price gouging....it's free market economics.
So you can pay "invoice" on a Toyota or GM, etc., and still be paying the same as MSRP on an Odyssey.
Noone pays more for an Odyssey than they do for a comparably equipped van from another carmaker, invoice or not. It amazes me how some people can't figure that out.
For me, driving what is now generally recognized as the best minivan in the world makes the price less relevant, but knowing I didn't pay more than anyone who bought a GM or Toyota at "invoice" makes it even nicer!
"I never said that my SUV or minivan were domestic
products but you have obviously assumed as much. I
can tell you right now that they are not."
However, on the same day, in post #86 in the "Odyssey vs. Dodge Caravan" forum, anafe wrote the following:
"I've owned a 96 Grand Caravan ES with the 3.8
liter engine since October 95. I purchased it with
the trailer towing package. I've used it to pull
two boats and a tent camper all weighing in excess
of 2700 lbs. I've never had any problems with it
and still own it. It's been an awesome product with a lot of versatility. One other thing I like about Chrysler is that they are the innovators in thismarket. Honda and everyone else just does a good job of copying what they have developed."
Since more than one individual cannot have the same username, in my opinion, anafe is a liar and a fraud.
Am I wrong? Any comments?
anafe: Please do all of us a favor and tell us what brand of autos you do in fact own. Obviously, you have an issue with Honda (particularly the Odyssey).
Maybe your time would be better spent on a consumer watchdog site as the whole "ripped off Ody owners" is getting old.
However, this is a free country, so speak your peace in whatever site you wish.--Happy Ody buyer!
On another note I own a 1998 Honda CRV-EX. When I bought that vehicle these babies were also going for MSRP. I was able to get mine at $1000 off MSRP and paid $20,500. The vehicle is 30 months old and has 48000 miles on it. I just sold it for $16,000. So I did not get slaughtered on resale value as you stated earlier Anafe. Even if I would have paid MSRP at $21,500 like most folks did, a $5,500 depriciation for 30 months and 48,000 miles is pretty damn good in my book. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Nice try.
Then, when challenged about your contradiction, you imply that there are mulitple users sharing a your computer and logging onto Edmunds and posting under the same name - "anafe".
Does anyone else believe this guy?
Anafe, if you feel that the Odyssey is not worth the money, then simply don't buy one. I think that everyone here is clear about your feelings by now, okay?
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Thanks all!
Drew/aling
Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
If it would only quit raining, I wouldn't spend so much time on the dang internet...but then I probably never would have caught this type of nonsense!
Before you add on any of the accessories, be sure to call the parts department and ask them how much each piece is. That is when I found out my dealership was not being honest about the price. How can you have two different prices for the same piece of equipment within the same dealership???
everyone behaves, plays fair, and stays on the topic in question. I hope that everyone else will co-operate. This topic has been very informative so far (after all, we're on the 7th iteration!), despite the little bumps on the "road".
Forget the rain, send some snow over my way please :-)
Best of luck!
Drew/aling
Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
P.S. Karen, the scribbled posts above were mine.
KarenS
Vans host
Dave Kelsen.