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I have not heard of any chips for the V6 yet...but you can check the powerchip company, which does have chips for both V8 and turbo models. However, both chips voids the warranty, though they are nearly indetectable . I have thought about upgrading the engine with a chip, but decided to hold out for now...the guys at powerchip insist that the setup is flawless and hidden. Costs about $2100 for all ...including mailing the board to them and they install the chip , then fedex the modified board to you. Supposed to be an easy removal and install that you do on your own.
You may want to check some other chip company...autoauthority, etc..
I just signed up for a 2004 Cayenne S at almost $8K off MSRP, or a few hundred dollars under invoice. I am taking delivery on Monday! This is the second car I buy from this dealer within the last 2 months(this helps!) The dealer is in MA, and I am happy to share more details with whoever is interested.
Also the other fact is Porsche is selling Cayenne’s at 10K to 15K premium which is hard to justify when you look at the quality and problems reported (pulling Porsche from 2nd to 2nd last in JD Edwards initial quality survey). SUV is a very competitive market, with fat margins, and there are many good offering from Lexus, BMW, Land Rover, Mercedes and even VW and Volvo, Infinity/Nissan etc. So unlike sports cars which are Porsche's forte, SUV is very different market. Porsche is slow to understand this; also the other factor is the dealerships. They need to change their mind set and service. To give you an example: My Lexus dealers service dept (http://www.woodfield-lexus.com/index.html) hours are:
Mon-Fri 7:00am - 6:00pm
Sat 9:00am - 5:00pm
Sun Closed
While Porsche dealers (http://porsche-exchange.porschedealer.com/service/) service dept hours are:
Monday-Friday: 9:00 - 5:00
Saturday: Closed
Sunday: Closed
(Little ironic that this dealer also claims to be the largest in Midwest.)
Also the fact that dealers are already offering 5K (4% to 5% over invoice) or more off on custom ordered Cayenne S, and 1% to 2% over invoice on in stock 2004’s. I believe time is on the side of buyers at this point. Also not to mention these same dealers were gouging there customer 5K to 10K over MSRP just last year.
However, if you are interested on a 2004, I would try to negotiate the deal sooner rather than later. You may put a deposit on the car and tell the dealer the day you want the car delivered. I had my car on hold for about 6 weeks. Good luck!
My 2005 Cayenne S is still on order, but I have been doing a lot of tire research and I zeroed in on the 235-60x18 XL Dunlop Grantrek WT M2 winter snow tire as the tire I intend to install and use all year. I had the Dunlop Grantrek tire on my Toyota Land Cruiser year round and loved them. They were not the WT M2 however. If you visit the tire rack and read the customer reviews, they say the WT M2 is effective in deep snow without chains. The WT M2 was infact designed for the Cayenne and is considered a OEM tire by Porsche, in fact you can even order them installed on Porsche rims from the Porsche parts dept. The all season Conti's are also sold at the tire rack and the reviews of end users indicate that they are not real good in deep snow, only light snow. I am planning on using mine all year, the only draw back is the size is 235-60x18 HR and so the diameter (odomoter will read correct) is ok but you loose .8" of tread width. Good luck! PS:The dunlops on my Land Cruiser lasted 50,000 miles and that is a heavy vehicle just like the Cayenne.
Cayenne S MSRP: 60,725, Invoice 53,064
I bought the car for $52,845
Black/black, moonroof, turbo wheels, dark wood package, dark wood steering wheel, front seat heater, floor mats, wheel hub covers colored crest, 18" collapsible spare, compass display.
I did not wanr to pay for Nav. I have no use for it. Good luck!
I bought mine from Pacific Porsche in Torrance and paid $5000.00 below invoice. I'm sure it all depends on if you are buying one in stock or if they have to special order one to meet your specs. I bet if you are willing to be a little flexible on what features you are looking for, you just might get the deal you are looking for.
Let me know if you need the salesman's name.
a) What is the invoice & MSRP for the V6 Auto. I've seen a prelim 2005 Cay V6 order guide -- it states $41,100 for the six-speed manual. Am looking for the auto (hard to imagine a manual on a 5000 lb SUV).
b) Any significant changes between the 04 and 05 models? Dealer indicates none.
c) Where can I learn more about the JDPower rankings that are quoted on this forum? Am concerned if Porsche has truly dropped in quality.
Lastly, the one dealer I spoke to gave me $2500 off MSRP on a base V6. Based on previous postings on this forum, I think I can do better...any comments?
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Please confirm that you paid $5,000 below invoice for a Cayenne. Please post the MSRP, invoice and price paid.
I had ruled the Cayenne out for "practical" reasons of wanting a bit larger of an SUV, but at $5,000 UNDER invoice, I would rethink my decision.
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Axel
I ment to say "Below Sticker" not invoice, my BAD. I should know better then that, again I apologies and didn't mean to miss lead you in any way. Pacific Porsche is still a Great place to purchase and I'm sure they will take good care of you.
If you can get it at $1,000 off invoice (about 2% on a 50K car) you are the man! Try Pass & Weiss in Burlington MA and tell them you want Anthony's deal (just describe the car to them from my previous postings). I am not sure however if they have the exact car you want. If you are flexible on the options it is easier to negotiate. On the leasing side, the money factor on a 740+ fico credit score is .0021 and you should do the leasing through Porsche credit and NOT with Chase. The Porsche residual is higher!
(I consider myself a leasing expert, so if you have any other questions please feel free to ask)
Best of luck!
A part is on order.
after some getting used to the controls, I don;t activate it accidentally anymore...
I put two and two together when I decided to visit my local Porsche dealer to test drive the new 911 997 model. The sales guy drove the car first in the surrounding empty streets and what a thrilling drive it was. The acceleration was incredible in the new 997. However, I did notice that most of the time he was driving above 4000RPM and the accelleration from 4K RPM showed it's true performance capability.
So, I decided to try it with my Cay TT on the highway and using the manual Tip to shift down to achieve 4K and then accelerating. It was amazing. Its like accelerating from zero to 60 but now you're starting at 60 and then to 100+ in no time flat. Wow, what a feeling it is!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating we all run out and do this because it's not safe (and addicting :-) ). I'm just pointing out the capabilities of the Porsche is much more than what we can do during our normal driving.
I was at a dealer launch of the new 997 yesterday also....and felt it was great too.
I stated before that I did go 110 mph or so on a lonely stretch of freeway ....
what I did not say was that from the normal cruising speed of 80 mph , the cayenne reached 110 very quickly, with no increase in vibration or strain. The car was whisper quiet inside. Some increase in wind noise outside, but no extraneous noise. Once it settled down at 110mph, the noise level decreased also...felt like I was going 40 mph with granny driving...
I do not advocate driving at this speed, except on lonely stretches with no other cars(desert areas) or on the track.
I drove both models , S and TT, on a course..and both handled and braked superbly. They cornered like they were on rails....definitely would put quite a few sports cars to shame...and this is a SUV....<grin>
I just got 20" wheels and Falkens on the TT...so it handles even better now. But will upgrade to Dimaris later....
glad to hear you are enjoying the TT.../
IT is great fun !!!
I found my o4/S dead the other morning. Jumped it and got it to the dealer. They found a current draw from the rear hatch latch mechanisn and relaced it. Previous electrical problems include loosing digital displays on main instrument cluster. Dealer replaced entire cluster. Condensation in taillight units. Dealer replaced.
Have you had any vibration problems?
Let me know how you make out,
Chris
Thanks for the info on your trade-in value for the Lexus RX330. I am also thinking of trading in my RX330 for a Cayenne S. I am hoping to get a little more for trade in. What options did yours have? Did it have NAV or Levinson package?
Hope to get a deal at least as good as you. Here in the SF Bay Area, some dealers are offering $12,500 off on demo S models with less than 2K miles.
I'm wondering what other people think about purchasing a demo model and an extended warranty. I don't recall seeing any owners mentioning that they purchased extended warranties. Any thoughts?
I am currently in an '04 Lexus RX330 that is a beautiful car in every respect, but lacking in the performance department. I have been a long time Lexus owner and have become totally spoiled by their service department. From other posts here, I can see that not much has changed in Porsche's service department from the days when I used to drive a 944.
I am wondering if what I will be giving up in superb customer service and bullet proof reliability will be worth the increased performance and fun factor of driving a Cayenne S. Anyone's thoughts on this are gratefully welcomed!
If they do lease, does anybody know the residuals for a V6 for a 3 year/45K mile lease?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
In terms of driving, Cay S has been a rock solid vehicle. I will give a whole hearted recommendation to go for it.
Sanjay
the truth must be dealt with....
and while some drivers have had problems, it seems like not all have had problems...many, like me, have had nothhing but good times in the cayenne....
05 Cay Turbo is 109K w/500HP,
All Cay versions have panaroma roof as option
More on Porsche web site.
precision driving school at the Mont-Tremblant
circuit (30ft wide track with elevation and blind
turns, real nice track. They run Grand American
series there). So I signed up and brought my
Cayenne S. I did not regret going. I was still
grinning the next day.
In the morning, there was an hour class then
we went for drills: Emergency stops, slalom
course and more braking drills. The last one
was useful only for the cars as they practiced
heel and toe technique.
In the afternoon there was another short class
and then we were off on the track. We had 2
sessions on the short track and one on the long
track. For each sessions, we had an instructor
in each vehicule to help us around the track
and to give pointers and also correct our
mistakes. The only drawback was that there
was a *pseudo* speed limit as some drivers
were more agressive than others (guilty as charged!)
As for the the Cayenne, it showed that it had
awsome brakes. In the slalom, it took some hard
cornening to make it go off the line. I did
leave the PSM on but did not find it intrusive at
all (actually never felt it coming on). I was
able to push hard thru some sweepers and I could
feel all 4 tires working hard but the Cay was
real stable.
If was fun having the instructor call on the
walkie-talkie for permission to pass some boxsters and 911s. But I wish I had a TT as there were two
at the school but not in my group so I couldn't
compare against them.
If you ever get the chance, do attend one,
it's a hoot and you get to know what the Cayenne
is capable of in a safe setting.
were there any vibrations at high speed ?
how was the steering feel ?
wish we could have a Cayenne Road Tour, or Rally.....it would be fun...
Now I think that our engines are also capable of increased horsepower...just by modifying the chip and perhaps increasing the exhaust bore and releasing backpressure during full throttle with a bypass gate/pipe.
powerchip company offered to 'chip' my TT to 487 hp...but I can not get 93 octane, so cannot get the 495 hp chip upgrade....
do you know how Porsche is upping the hp on all 3 models ?
Also, I forgot to mention, 04 models Turbo can also get the Tequiment upgrade (500hp) for $18,500. Not cheap but will get the Cay TT 0-60 under 5 secs (4.9sec vs 5.2 sec).
Please don't use the dollar to sub seconds ROI calculation. Instead use the the ROFF (Return on Fun factor) calculation and buy only if extra dollars are in the bank. :-)
From the Porsche web page:
Porsche adds more spice to its Cayenne Turbo by introducing a new model tuned through the company's Tequipment program. The already potent Cayenne Turbo – the world's most powerful production sport-utility vehicle rated at 450 horsepower and 460 pounds-feet of torque – gets a boost to 500 horsepower. At the same time, torque – what drivers really feel in the seat of their pants during acceleration – increases to 515 pounds-feet. The extra ponies allow the Cayenne Turbo to sprint from 0 to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and achieve a top test track speed of 167 mph (compared to 5.2 seconds and 165 mph for the standard Cayenne Turbo). The Tequipment-tuned Cayenne Turbo also gets upgraded brakes and suspension to ensure stopping and handling precisely matches its increased power.
Also available in December 2004, the Cayenne Turbo with the Tequipment upgrade will have a U.S. MSRP of $109,200 (compared to $89,300 for the standard Cayenne Turbo). For those who already own a Cayenne Turbo and desire these upgrades, Tequipment will offer a retrofit package for a U.S. price of $18,500.
but $18000 and change... seems like the Powerchip and some aftermarket parts may be a cheaper way to go....
but it may invalidate the warranty....which is one reason I did not go for it...
overall, I think the engine is the same 4.5 liter with twin turbos, right ?
I agree, use the ROFF method for the tequipment upgrade.
I heard the S model and the V6 both get improvements in HP....good but it does not decrease the fun factor not one bit, for the 2003 and 2004 models, in my opinion.
I just bought the some upgrades from CEC in LA....20 " wheels and tires...
what does your cayenne have ?
IN life, I use both, depending on the circumstances...
Steering was pretty good, it handled well in the slalom course.
now, I'd like my dealer get us into an off-road course
My 2004 RX-330 was a 4WDR, with no nav or upgraded stereo. It did have the premium package. I got $32,500 for it with 15K miles.
I have had my Cay S for a month, now. Could not be happier with the car, I love driving it. I, like many people on this forum, had the vibration issue. My dealer put 4 new tires on the car and that took care of the issue. While the Lexus got better mileage and was a bit quieter on the road, it does not compare in acceleration, handling and overall fun. Good luck with your purchase, you should be able to negotiate a pretty good deal as the '05's are arriving now.
Any advice for tire recommendations? On a Cayenne S, the four originals are 10 spoke 19 inch Porsche wheels with 275/45/19 Pirelli PZero Rosso tires. Yet, the spare is a 5 spoke 18 inch, 8 inches wide, Porsche wheel with a 255/55/18 Pirelli Scorpion Zero tire. Hence, the spare is lower in height and also has a different width. Would like to obtain a new tire with the appropriate size so that spare will be same size as others. What tire size and tire brand do you suggest? Thanks.
tidester, host
but I think the different unsprung weight of the 18" wheel and tire combo may confuse the computer , traction control, and all wheel drive system....
maybe use it as an emergency wheel only will be OK, but I would ask Porsche directly....
I'd like to know how much $$$$ is necessary to take my Cayenne to a Porsche dealership to have PCM installed as Tequipment? Right now (duh) I have just the standard radio and that open space on the bottom.
Do you guys think now's a good time? (probably...)
Thanks!.
but I think they must have the car pre-wired , so if one upgrades, all one has to do is pull out the faceplate , connect the wires, and install the PCM in. I spoke to my dealer, and he said they were willing to give certain discounts, especially if you bought the cayenne from them.