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You are never going to be able to know exactly what their real cost is, so just get the lowest price you can.
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Try to go 28k OTD.
When everyone refers to OTD, that means Out The Door, correct? Does that include taxes, title, registration, etc? Or is that tacked on after?
Also, I received a quote from a dealer here. After he discounted the car he included the delivery fee, options and calculated the tax at 5%. But then he added $930 for a line item called Reg/Lic/Title/Fees.
I'm in Maryland, is any of this negotiable? Seems like a lot of money to not break something out by line. No?
When people refer to getting the car at invoice, that's before taxes and everything...correct?
Thanks in advance for the help. This is a nice service.
Be very careful before you go any dealership as they add so many other costs when you arrive at the dealership. Talk to you bank before getting it financed from dealership you might be able to save some money and hassles.
I'm in Maryland, is any of this negotiable? Seems like a lot of money to not break something out by line. No?
Yes, it does. It sounds like he added a lot of profit into that $930. The best way to negotiate is to find a dealer who doesn't charge $930 and tell this dealer that you can get a fairer deal elsewhere
And what is the delivery fee? If you're not referring to the destination charge that's on the sticker, that's probably another added dealer profit. Also what "options" are included. As Hondas don't really have options (they have added accessories), some dealers add other profit makers as options such as window etching and paint protectorant.
You're welcome to post a line by line item of the quote on here, and people will comment on your offer.
This was his most aggressive price match, Kudos his efforts!
Price $24,088
Doc 55
Dmv 217
CA Tire 8.75
Sales Tax 8.25 1,991.80
Total $26,360.55 :shades:
P.S EX I4 Auto $22,171 +T+Lic
Good Luck to all of you on your price searches
Here is what I was quoted:
2008 EX - $26,495
Destination (this is what I meant by delivery) - $635
The "options" were the add-ons:
Paint Matched Moldings - $399
Wheel Locks - $76
Splash Guards - $143
Trunk Tray - $146
The above he quoted at a total of $25,481
Tax of $1310.8 (5%)
Then there was the line that said Reg, Lic, Title, fees of $930.
So, total cost quoted was $27,721
Since then my fiancee and I have decided we want the EX-L V-6 W/ Navi, so the quote is moot, but I wanted to know what the $930 was. It didn't pass the smell test (but I figured I'd double check first).
What would be the ideal price on the EX-L V-6 with Navi? Is the 28k OTD mentioned earlier realistic? How flexible should I be? Within 5%? Do they ever provide decent deals via e-mail?
You and I better wait a few more months. I do not need a new car right now so I can wait. Yet, this afternoon I met with my body shop guy to check on the paint job for my oldest Accord so I can sell it some time soon and buy a new '08 Accord. 3 years ago I had to pay MSRP for the '05 Accord hybrid because I was in a tough situation like yours right now. It means I badly needed an extra car for my son.
"Accord '08 V6 EX or EX-L is one of the best cars in the world" quoted by MSN car critic Dan Jedlicka.
- MSRP is what the sticker on the window is (includes dest)
- Invoice is what the dealer supposedly buys the car for (includes dest). You'll hear the terms holdback and dealer incentives, which basically means the dealer really gets the car for less than invoice.
- Your negotiations should typically end you up somewhere between MSRP and invoice. This is unless there are serious rebates or dealer incentives going on (like last year accords had 2k of dealer incentives, so people were getting GREAT values).
- TradeIn, if you had a tradein, the value would get deducted now.
- This yields the taxable amount.
- Add Tax, varies by state and county
- Add Tags, varies by state
- Add Licensing fees, varies by state
- Typically dealers will add an administrative or doc fee. This can range from 0 - 600 bucks. Some states have laws which limit this amount. This is negotiable although some dealerships will tell you it isn't. I let them move money around and take it out up top out of the car, and move it down below here because it isn't taxable here.
- This yields OTD Out the door.
As you can see, an OTD comparison isn't really meaningful across states, unless you knew the tax rules for each state. But negotiating an OTD price at a dealership, negates the problem with dealerships trying to tack on additional fees.
You need to be very careful on the deals that some people are reporting. They could have a tradein where the dealer is giving them 2K less than it is really worth, yet they report a deal that looks too good to be true. Alternatively, someone might report a very good deal, only to get clobbered with their financing or lease rates.
base price $23446 (incl.door guards, mudguard, wheel locks, fender guards, nitro pro, trunk cargo mat, free oil changes, and first service free)
processing fee $100
destination $635
tax $1209
tags and title $210
TOTAL $25,600
Was there a trade involved?
You did not mention if the 23291.03 included transport destination charge.
I have done some INTERNET inquaries and came up with the following prices
Anderson Honda, Baltimore, Maryland
EX-L V6 no GPS = 25616
EX-L 4 cyl no GPS = 23427
Schafer and Stromenger, Fallston Maryland
EX-L V6 no GPS = 27550.09
EX-L 4 cyl no GPS = 24769.86
All the above were plus destination, taxes and tags.
Seems to me the way you have mentioned the extra $930 the dealer added on is in reality EXTRA DEALER PROFIT. It is a trick to get you to think you got the car at a great price when in fact you paid the dealer almost a thousand dollars more then the price you were quoted.
I have two INTEERNET prices for a 2008 EX-L Accord without GPS.
Anderson Honda in West Baltimore gave me the following
EX-L V6 = 25615
EX-L 4cyl = 23427
Shafer and Stromenger in Fallston, Maryland
EX-L V6 = 27550.97
EX-L 4Cyl= 24769.86
All the above prices are without GPS and do not include DESTINATION, OPTIONS and FEES. Now I do not know what kind of FEES might be charged or if the DEALER has added $10 worth of options for which he is charging $500 to $1000 extra. I will find that out when I call the dealer. I can tell you that I am not going for a deal which requires the payment of hundreds more for dealer installed options or pay a processing fee of hundreds of dollars. If a dealer has suckered you into visiting his showroom only to spring this extra cost options trap, just walk out immediately. You have nothing to lose. The dealer is the loser and you would not want to deal with such a dishonest dealer.
There is NO such thing as "OPTIONS" in Honda. You pick the trim line and you get everything for that trim line. '08 V6 EX-L PZEP w/ NAVI is the top of the line and you get everything. The discount price now is between $28.5K - $29K plus TTL (license plate/ registration, sale tax, etc). I am planning to buy that same car, preferably sedan, Mystic Green Metallic. I wait for a few more months to get bigger discount. At clearance sale in Fall '08 I may get $1K to $2K additional discount.
This dealership is in my home-town and I gave them a chance when I bought my 08 EX-L. They couldn't come close to a reasonable price and so I went elsewhere. I live less than 90 miles from Denver, CO -- but, somehow the local Honda and Toyota dealers typically charge $1,500-2,500 more than what a Denver-area dealership would charge. How does that work? I'm willing to drive 180 miles (roundtrip) for a couple thousand dollars and, hell, I have a little money left over for a fancy dinner in the big city!
1.) They said $25,215 + $635 + Title + Tax, it was at its cost. This car needs to be ordered.
2.) The dealer "may" add upto $400 for "additional" accessories. :mad: Things like the running board etc. I could not get it
3.) I highly suspect Honda "quietly" gave the dealer additional holdback to speed up the 08 Accord Sales.
4.) It is a buyer's market, if we, the buyers, can keep "cool" for a month so, and the financial chaos on subprime get wore, we all can deserve a $1000 off the invoice price.
5.) I am a big fun of Honda and dislike the price. $24500 is a good price for EXL V6.
Bought North-east Florida new dealership...Honda of the Avenues...I highly recommend. :lemon:
$300 is hardly anything to work with, really its just pocket change, Trade in Value is all determined by them anyway, therefore making it seem like the $300 they are give you is in the mix, but they can play with the numbers, making the $300 disappear somewhere. Apparently they are not moving them, because this is like the 3rd post card they have sent me, and I have only seen a couple move off the lot. I have drove by every weekend, the same cars are there in the same spot. This is to get people in the door, I know, but you gotta be smart about it.
It does get me all excited, atleast for a minute, but then realize how strict they are right now with the 08's, so its not worth checking right now on a deal. I think I want the Coupe, EX-L 4cyl, Navi, RED!
So please watch out your wallet if you deal with the dealer. Think about trade in as a reference not a true value. :P
This indicates that something in the financial system is not right. The huge writedown from Citi and Merill may bring down the financial system. The foreclosures are picking up the speed nationwide. The local real estate agents have been put the "Sale" sign for 5 months and none of homes have been sold.
If people can not even afford living in their homes, it is not uncommon for car dealers to lower the car prices to sell more cars. Buy EXL V6 for $24.5K or less. Be patient and you will get it.
Any thoughts?
Destination $635.00
Total Invoice $28,038.96
The maximum price is $28K, u might pay $1K more :confuse:
does it stuck on running on 6 or 3 or 4?
I kind of skeptic about that... more crap to fix!!
1.) The Honda engineer set the default in the control module.
2.) Most will trade in theirs after 70000+ miles. The used car buyers will let you whether this is a big deal.
3.) It will be over for Honda if this happens.
I got the price down to $24,488. But paid extra for some add-ons. in all, I paid $906 extra for:
Deck Lid Spoiler (free)
Splash Guards (about $200)
Moonroof Visor (free)
Wheel Locks (about $100)
Trunk Tray (free)
LoJack ($595)
Alarm (free)
So overall I paid $25,394
Good luck!