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I got my Elantra yesterday. Stock SE model with spoiler and floor mats for $15663 (14965 + doc fees and window etch) after rebate. I test drove at the dealership, North Scottsdale Hyundai, then got all my quotes through Edmunds here. Afterward I called up and gave my initial sales guy the opportunity to match the best price. No BS at all from him, so I'm very pleased. Plus I really like the car so far!
wow.
i bet those sleazy salesmen are sleeping like babies at night. how cool is to rip people off? wow. i'll never buy a hyundai ever again. and i'm friggin korean!
i bought 2 friggin cars from them in last 3 week.. i don't deserve this man.. and they are still 'we don't know what you are talkin about man'
they know exactly what i'm talkin about but keeps lying about it. i just hate when people lie about things.
most likely i'm gonna end up trading the car within next 6 months. i just can't suck it up and let it go.
i told the salesman about towne hyundai and he said anybody can give you the quote over the phone... wow. unfriggin believable.
We have bought from Towne and several friends also.
Their quotes are good. No last minute BS.
Price out the Elantra, equipped however you like. Write down both the MSRP & invoice price. For the month of April Towne is selling Elantras @ $1900 under invoice and then you deduct the $2K rebate.
A GLS with the option package (not sunroof) and floor mats has an invoice of $16,499. Towne's price would be $12,599 plus $189 doc fee, $200 for title & registration, plus your state's sales tax.
If you want to prove your point to those sleeze balls, got to townehyundai.com and click on "internet pricing." Then click on Elantra.
least they could do was give me free oil change, free car wash, or just try to make me to calm down. they were just adding fuel to the fire when they say things like 'there is no mark up' 'we lost money selling cars' the manager was somethin too. he wants to know where these dealers are so he can buy cars from them. amazing.
could any of you guys scan the receipt and post them somewhere? you could do anonymously..
more i think about this, more i don't want to drive my new car. should not have come to this board..
i was on my way to work after my lunch and my beater died in the middle of a busy street. i bought it 2 weeks ago! it stopped in the middle of the road right in front of the hyundai/vw dealer. what a coincidence! now let's get a new car! lol
my beater was 1990 civic lx wagon. i was hoping that it will last me a 6-7 months before i buy a car that i really wanted, a genesis v8 sedan or something in 35k range.
i towed the car to the dealer, and decided to buy the elantra because i was tired of car shopping. before i bought the 20 year old civic, i test drove many cars. new accord, altima 3.5, azera, even slightly used bimmers and audi's. couldn't pull a trigger and i really was burnt out shopping for a car, so i came home with a beater. on top of that we just bought our santa fe 3 weeks ago, so go figure. i really really was tired of looking at cars.
when i bought the beater, i was so happy. it was a gamble, but the car was only $500. i have never bought a car so cheap, but i was happy because it ran well, and i was worry free. i bought it from auction, and i enjoyed watching auction for the first time. it was a refreshing experience for me even though i was getting a junk. it was fun while it lasted. that auction guy was somethin. i've never seen a person who speaks so fast! it was a great entertainment. but once it stopped on the road, i didn't want to fix it because that would cost more than the car itself.. so i instantly thought i should buy a cheap but reliable hyundai which was right in front of me. lol i thought i was very smart to buy a reliable car with 10 year warranty. i was shocked how roomy it was when i rented last year, and i do like the swooping curves. unfortunately, i didn't do any research on elantras because my budget 3 weeks ago were over 30k. i reseached camcords, used luxury cars, but not on civics, mazda3's, rabits and etc.
if i never knew that i got ripped off by 3k then i would've been the happiest man on the planet. my wife loves the car when i brought home and showed her. we actually like this much better than my wife's previous car, 06 civic lx.
but once i found that i gave them $2000-$3000. i felt dirty and used.
well, i'm sure i'm gonna move on someday, but i will still try to gather enough info so i can shove it to their faces. they mocked my intelligence by saying 'edmunds are board full of liars.' well, i don't think you guys are liars. why would anybody come here lie about things? why?
they collectively laughed at the poster with 13900 OTD price on gls and said to me that they aren't real. they are doing this to make hyundai look bad and so on.
i almost puked. i know many people who bought hyundai's 4-5000 below msrp. my fiance(now my wife) almost bought a 06 sonata lx 2 years ago for 18.6k OTD. that's a v6 with leather for godsake.
i know hyundai's can be had 4-5000 cheaper than the msrp. i didn't question them when i was buying elantra because they were telling me that my credit score of 611 is so low and my wife is a grad student so we can't get a rebate along with 4.5% shouldn't have played the 'payment game', but paying $277 a month felt so cheap compared to my usual $520 a month 2-3 years ago with my acuras and bmws. i had enough cash to buy the car, but i decided not to because i want to put down at least 25% on the house we are looking to buy next year.
i guess they convinced me. i figured it's an 08 so it would get cheaper in summer, but not in april. so i just signed it and bought the car..
well, i'm not gonna stop this fight yet. i want to talk to that manager once again and tell him that he is a liar who would do anything to sell a car. i will gather enough evidence that he is charging way too much for his cars. i don't mind paying 500-1000 more, but paying 3000k more without getting the rebate makes me puke.
If I were you, I'd go into the store some day and ask to talk with the owner (maybe call first to make an appointment). Then calmly tell your story to the owner, and how his/her salespeople act. And tell the owner that they have lost a customer for life, you will never step foot in that dealership again (including taking all the service work for your two Hyundais elsewhere), and that you will tell your story to as many people as you possibly can and urge them not to do business with that dealership. Then say good-bye and leave, and put it behind you (literally).
If you have lots of time on your hands, you could see if the dealership is a member of the Better Business Bureau (many are), and if so file a formal complaint with them. As far as legal action, technically there could be a case for material misrepresentation by an agent (the sales rep or manager), but then you are talking LOTS of time and aggravation (and maybe money), and in the end it's probably unwinnable because it's their word against yours. Also I think when you buy a Hyundai they make you sign something about all disputes will be put to binding arbitration. At least I remember something like that the last time I bought a Hyundai, 4 years ago.
P.S. You say you did not get the rebate. Did you not get either the $1000 general rebate or the $500 Hyundai loyalty rebate (because of your Santa Fe)? If not, definitely you need to take that up with the dealership, and with HMA, because that is either a huge mistake or fraud on their part, and needs to be rectified.
Do you know what interest rate you would could qualify for with a 610 score? Is the loan from hyundai? Perhaps they gave you 2000 there. If there is an actual factory to customer rebate (not dealer incentive), they cannot discriminate and not give it to you. If the 4.9% is in leiu of it then that was it. If not you can get the rebate forms and send them in.(this is rare as it usually isn't not given) if you only left 1500 or 2500 on the table you did downright peachy as a walk in (who are always hi balled
and checked to be a payment buyer) if they gave you 600 for a junker you stepped out of thats worth 0 then it may be 2000 off or more. The wife loves the car and you probably got about an average deal for a walk in who accepted the first or second throw, especially if they knew you were de-horsed. The staff didn't kill themselves to give you a deal in the top 20% of deals in the nation and offered no free oil change. You feel dirty and used. Great.
This is all a complete joke compared to real estate. Your subsequent home purchase should be primary on your mind. A 25000 down payment and more can disappear immediately or in months with an over-caffenated appraiser (which they all are) and even a market with a slight bit of drop left in it. This is unrelated, but you need it. A bit of insight:
1) Almost all appraisers for practical purposes are idiots
2) Do your own comps. Look up the actual xfer prices on the county recorders website of properties you looked at in the past few months. Look at a lot of homes.
3) Have your own attorney and get it inspected... twice.
There are several good books on home buying, go to the library and bone up. The last thing you need to be doing after consumating a 300,000 deal is going to some appraisers office like this dealerships office and saying "but your certified appraisal says my home is worth 300000 but the guy next door's house with more square feet and a huge hot tub has just sold for 260000!" Prepare for unanswered phone calls. Not preaching. Just speaking from experience.
You're in the wrong frame of mind. Drive the Hyundai until whenever, then trade it on the $35000 Stutz v8 Wagonmobile you have your eye on. .
Good luck
--jjf
ok, here is what really happened.
i was on my way to work after my lunch and my beater died in the middle of a busy street. i bought it 2 weeks ago! it stopped in the middle of the road right in front of the hyundai/vw dealer. what a coincidence! now let's get a new car! lol
At some point, you're going to have to choose to (mentally) let it go, and just enjoy the car. Stewing over it won't do a thing at this point, other than raising your blood pressure and preventing you from enjoying something that you otherwise would.
While it certainly is no fun to find out what you did, best to just consider it a lesson learned. Given your apparent level of new car pricing/dealing awareness (by no means an insult; that puts you in the large majority of car buyers), I'd be willing to wager you've left a few grand on the table on every new car you've ever purchased -- the only difference is that this time you found out. Finding out hasn't been fun, as is plain from your posts, but I bet it will save you some serious bucks on every new car you buy from here on out...look at it that way.
And, as the other poster mentioned, use it as a cautionary experience for the upcoming house-buying. You don't want to feel like you got a bad deal on something that costs ten times what a car does. Good luck!
It's very common where I live (Twin Cities). Maybe not the case everywhere though.
i'm going to trade this car within next few months for something. i just don't think i can live with it. i don't care if i'm losing money. money isn't even issue here.
and you bet i will never go near to that dealer. bunch of [non-permissible content removed] and immoral human beings.
when i bought my santa fe 3 weeks ago, there were 2 couple screaming at the one of the financing guy. they were so angry and they screamed and yelled at them for 5 minutes. i thought he was about to punch the guy in his face. i'm not making this up. i was right there watching the whole scene. maybe they found out they got ripped off just like me. lol
You've gotten lots of good answers, info, and advice, yet you're still ranting. You're acting as reasonable and rational as my 5yo boy does when he's pitching a fit. I'm kind of getting skeptical about the story, too, but at this point it doesn't much matter. You've done your venting, which is all you seem interested in...what more do you want from us?
"i don't care if i'm losing money. money isn't even issue here."
Uh.. OK. If you say so.
However, everything you've written thus far says it's the ONLY issue here.
Thanks!
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This is a GLS with popular equipment package w/o sunroof.This is automatic , everything power and Hyundai's road side assistance for free.
I was able to bring home my elantra for $13400/-
seriously they think i'm a lunatic.
i love my car and it still a huge bargain for me financially. i got a nice car for $17.5k instead of 35k entry luxury cars. no big deal. i'm sure there was a point when there was no rebate at all for a brand new 07 elantra.
but i'm really p!ssed at them for collectively mocking my intelligence. i really wish some of you can give me a copy of a receipt just to say 'i'm right, you are wrong' at them. just want to throw it at that sleazy manager who mocked my intelligence for 30 minutes.
how could they look into my eyes say things like "we lost money, and there was no profit' not once but multiple times? do they really think i'm stupid?
well, sorry for releasing my anger in this forum. i'll stop here.
but i'll really appreciate if any of you can scan me a receipt..
my email address is
jcdesigncreative@hotmail.com
If the has problems with the auto folks wait until he runs into the real estate folks. their bs is always much more pricey)
....,but i was firm on my bargain and later the dealer agreed upon the price.I was able to bring home my elantra gls AT,power package for 13400/-I feel sorry for you.
Best offer from them for Elantra SE Auto base is MSRP+Dest - $2000 in rebates and extra local employer discount = ~$16.0K + TTL = ~$17.1K OTD. And that's requiring them to transfer in, and not in the color we want.
Called a Minneapolis dealer, their best offer using the slightly higher Minnesota Tax (6.5% vs ND 5%) and registration fees was $16,700 OTD for the same color we didn't want but might accept given price. Would adjust downward on settlement to adjust for ND tax/fees so about $16,500 OTD or a bit less.
This is a LOT higher than anyone else seems to be paying OTD. Apparently the SE's are getting very hard to get in any color, silver being impossible. Plus the region gains an extra cost due to low/no competition. This is a lot higher than Towne / Fitz web links that have been previously posted.
:confuse: Would appreciate anyone's thoughts on options. (We must have an SE for ESB/TC/EBA for winters here, GLS even with PE package not acceptable.)
$15,000 Price (After 1500 rebate)
$1073 Tax (Ohio rate-6.5%)
$299 Document and Dealer fee
$16,372 Total
I know its not the best deal but I still love the car. Plus, I'm young (21) so 1-2k is not that much in the long run. Oh well. One thing I leaned is that I hate negotiating.
Anyways, today I called a local dealer who said they could get me a brand new 08 Elantra for just under 14K with the cheaper popular option package (no sunroof). Considering dealer invoice on these are about 15k, this seems to be a really good deal.
I have a few questions for anyone who wants to help: 1) I have seen some recent posts here talking about a 2k rebate but on the Hyundai website it only says 1.5K. Is there another rebate coming for May that I don't know about?
2) Many local dealers are saying Chicago tax is 9.25% but I thought sales tax is a state amount, not by city. Is this the dealers way of increasing the cost a little bit?
3) Is sales tax included on cost prior to rebate? In other words, should I expect to pay the tax on the 14K cost of the vehicle or the cost before any reductions?
4) Considering the dealership is offering this brand new GLS for $14K - My OTD cost should be approx $15,600 - right?
5) Compared to all the shopping and research I've done for the last month, this seems like a fantastic deal. However, after reading some posts here, it only seems mediocre. Is this the best I can do ($15,600 OTD)?
Thanks in advance for any input.
2) Some cities levy sales tax in addition to state sales tax.
3) The rules for calculating sales tax before or after rebates varies by state. I know in MN sales tax is post-rebates. But other states calculate tax before rebates are deducted. The Web site for the Department of Revenue for your state should state the rules for that. Also any dealer's finance dept. would know, they do the calculation every day.
4) Hard to tell what your OTD price would be since you haven't told us what the tax, license, and other fees would be.
5) No matter how good a deal you get, there will always be someone else who gets a better one.
Sales tax is 9.25% and I'm not sure what title/license is - my guesstimate is $300.
Since TTL varies by state, I guess my real question is this: Is 14K for a brand new 2008 Elantra GLS with popular option package (no sunroof) a good deal?
I thought it was until I started reading these boards. Then I was browsing the Sonata boards (my initial desire was a Sonata but changed due to price) and see that some people are getting new 2008s for 15Kish OTD.
It's starting to look like this varies by state and perhaps various dealerships get better kick-backs from the manufacturer. I know I want either a Sonata or Elantra but since I'm in no hurry, I am determined to get the best deal possible. Living in Chicago seems to be a dis-advantage as far as low cost.
Anyways, thanks for the info!!
One thing to consider is get a quote from Towne Hyundai and use it for negotiating power with your dealer. It's not that far a drive from Towne to Chicago, all freeway, and you could get a cheap one-way flight to LaGuardia. Just a thought.
Out the door price after $2000 rebate was $13,060.00 plus tax and tags.
2008 LE with 5-speed and the Premium Pkg. with sunroof.
Sticker $ 18,265 (they had there added crap with and additional $1k, regional pricing, clean up misc. stuff and made them remove off the price sheet before we even started)
I offered 15k and they countered with $15,677 (they say this is invoice)
This included 2K rebate.
I will need to add 5% sales and about $ 105 in fees.
After seeing some posts it looks like there maybe some better deals out there. No trade and is a cash deal. Anybody know a good dealer in Southwestern PA?
--jjf
2008 LE with 5-speed and the Premium Pkg. with sunroof.
Sticker $ 18,265 (they had there added crap with and additional $1k, regional pricing, clean up misc. stuff and made them remove off the price sheet before we even started)
I offered 15k and they countered with $15,677 (they say this is invoice)
This included 2K rebate.
I will need to add 5% sales and about $ 105 in fees.
After seeing some posts it looks like there maybe some better deals out there. No trade and is a cash deal. Anybody know a good dealer in Southwestern PA?
The $ 2,000 is direct rabete to consumer or to dealer? If it is direct to me then the rebate should not even be in the negotiation IMHO. I'll shoot for $ 15,000 OTD as opposed to 15k for the vechicle.
I already did as you recommended last night, I emailed four other dealers and asked to see there best price. I asked them to give me there best price and then show the rebate. Wednesday is the last day of month, i will keep you posted.
If I don't get an email reply tomorrow I'll give him a call.
Ron
I just found out that Southwestern PA has a $500 autorama discount and dealers have some dealer cash avaliable (based on volume sales) so the $ 15k is looking realistic.
Unfortunatly, this one does not have the electronic stability control which I want.