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I did read a bunch of posts on the supposed PTTR issue in the CRV. I have also read an abundance of complaints outside of the Edmunds forum. I never even heard of this until 2 weeks ago when we test drove an 05 LX automatic 2WD V (we want a 4WD but all they had was a 2WD for a test drive)...anyway my wife drove the car for about 25 minutes and had nothing but praise. The next morning I asked her about it again and she said the only annoyance was that she felt like she had to fight to keep the car going straight! (Wish she had mentioned that on the test drive!)
Anyway, I thought little of this until I started researching the V and reading User Reviews. I was stunned at how many folks were complaining about this PTTR issue and how many were basically being told it was normal for a V.
So, I am looking for the skinny on this issue.. Does this only affect the 05 models? Does it affect all 05 models? Should I wait for an 06 model? Is it true that Honda acknowleged the issue and has a TSB yet the TSB does not solve the problem?
Please refrain from telling me PTTR is normal for all cars. I am not talking about a minor drift but rather a more extreme pull. In my experience driving RWD, FWD and AWD I have never had such a problem except one time when I had a bad tire.
I need some blatant honesty here. I know there are a lot of 'Honda can do no wrong folks' who could not admit if there was a little design snaffu here. I ran into the same type folks with sludge issue in the Toyota forums.....you would not beilieve how many folks swore it was not an engine issue but a owner issue...many to this day do not acknowlege there was a problem. Obviously such brand loyalty is commendable but I need an honest answer before I shell 20K+ for something we'll likely drive for at least 7 years. So, those of you who are able to admit to a problem or irregularity please step up to the plate.....if t here even is one! I NEED TO KNOW!
Thank You
Any thoughts on this? By the way, the car has run great, no other problems, other than this. Thanks.
Is the PTTR disease something that comes out as the car ages? I don't know. Maybe others can comment.
But if I test drove a CRV and was watching out for PTTR and the one I drove had a definite hard pull to the right, I'd move on to a different vehicle as I'd be fearful of that forever.
Thanks in advance.
Test drive the CR-V you are going to buy. It will either have PTTR or not. If it has PTTR buy a different CR-V. If it doesn't have the problem you'll be fine.
Good luck.
Anyway, there is a definite problem, and there is a TSB that addresses it. As was mentioned though, having the TSB completed doesn't always solve the problem. My strategy and advice is to not even consider buying a CR-V without a thorough test drive to determine if that particulat vehicle pulls to the right. I will also take a copy of the TSB with me when I go on the test drive so I can show it to the salesperson if they claim to have never heard of the situation.
If the car doesn't pull, buy it, but if it does, go find another one that doesn't. Why put yourself through the hassle of trying to get the dealer to acknowledge and fix a problem that you could avoid in the first place?
I am still having a hard time finding an EX with the manual tranny, but will continue to look for one that is the right color for me (I prefer the black interior) and doesn't pull to the right.
Good luck.
Why would maintenance have anything to do with a complete compressor failure? There isn't any maintenance on those.
You are supposed to run your A/C once a week for at least 15 minutes regardless of the season and need. This is to lubricate the compressor. I consider it maintenance.
When VTEC solenoid fails, you may get a check engine light, you will not be able to rev past 5000 RPM, and you will notice power loss. Diana on "the other board" had VTEC failure at 70-some Kmiles.
K-series engines may burn oil, and low oil will cause symptoms similar to VTEC failure, but it is just a self preservation mechanism, where VTEC is disabled at low oil levels.
I've never heard of that. Is it in the recommended maintenance section of the owner's manual? If not, how could you consider that maintenance?
I am thinking about buying a Honda CR-V SE 2005 or 2006. Did you find out anything about the weird problem in your CR-V SE? It is strange that Honda's have problems like that. The CR-Vs sold very well this year. On every street or highway you see lots of CR-Vs. I was told that Honda was number 1 selling car in the US, because they are very reliable.
Thanks for your advise in advance.
Cansu
About a year ago, while the car (2003 CRV) was still under warrenty (~25K) I brought it to the dealer in NY where I bought it because it felt to me like something in the AC was dragging more than it should. Running my AC cost me about 3 to 5 miles per gallon, which seemed very unusual. This condition had not been an issue at first, but it got worse to the point that I figured something was wrong. The dealer just told me it was normal to get lower gas mileage with the AC. I was sorta pissed but there did not seem to be much I could do at the time. I knew there was something wrong, but I could not really prove it. I just avoided using the AC unless necessary which was not a big deal sinse I moved to Tahoe shortly after. I also figured that sinse I had documented that I suspected something was wrong, it would help me down the road.
Anyway, this summer as I drove back east the compressor started making a terrible noise when it kicked on. At this point the car has 50K and was out of warrenty. While in NJ I had a dealer check it out and they said my compressor was bad and it was dragging. So I'm thinking this is a pretty clear case and Honda would cover me, sinse I had already brought this problem to the attention of an authorized dealer while still under warrenty. WRONG!! They offered to pay for half the parts and NONE of the labor or diagnosis! In other words, I still had to foot about 2/3 of the bill (it cost me $666). In my view this is totally unacceptable. This should have been fixed a year ago when it would have cost me nothing. I am told that my case will be further considered if I fax in the bill from the dealership. I just got back home to CA, so I'm going to do that and see what happens, but they already have all of that info, so I don't see why they are making this even more work for me.
I am still trying to get Honda to pay more, but I went ahead and paid to get it fixed while I was in NJ for two reasons: First, I was told that the offer was only good at the dealer that I had the car at, and if I did it in CA I would have to go through the whole process again (and I'd be out the $85 diagnostic fees) Second, I was afaid the AC would crap out altogether and I'd be driving coast to coast with no AC.
So I got the compressor replaced in NJ and head on my way to VA and then across the country back to CA feeling pretty miffed at Honda about this whole thing. On the very first day after I pick up the car the AC cuts out intermitently and by the second day it does not function at all. I call up my assigned service rep asking what I need to do so that I do not have to pay to fix this again, and after about 6 phone calls and over a week he has never called me back. I understand that parts are covered (labor and parts) for a year, but what if it was the fault of the dealer that fixed it?
I am very dissapoionted and suprised at the way Honda is handling this. My father, sister, and I have all bought new Hondas in the past 4 years, but unless something changes here, we are through with them. My sister's 2003 Accord also has a bad compressor, but we have yet to see what will come of that.
Anyway, I just want those who have said in previous posts that Honda would take care of them (in regards to a compressor crapping out at 50K) to know that they did little more than throw me a bone despite my documentation that I had brough up the issue while under warrenty.
If this situation changes and they offer to pay more, I'll post again and let you all know.
Jeff
Good Luck!
It is in the chapter about HVAC operation.
It is in the chapter about HVAC operation.
As far as why your A/C is crapping out again is probably a dishonest dealer in NJ. Hopefully it was not Bob Ciasully or Rt 23 Honda. They figured they would just replace the compressor, rather than the whole system as Honda requires them to do in these situations. The metal flakes in the system is probably what killed your new compressor.
If Honda requires the dealer to replace the whole system, why would they not tell them this when the dealer called to inqure about getting it covered under warrenty? It may be relavent here that my compressor had not blown up of fallen off as others have described. It was making a lot of noise and dragging, but it was still working. Perhaps I caught it before it vommited its metal flakes into the rest of the system?
Jeff
Took my CR-V in on Monday and found out the terrible problem--costing $1700! This time I'm the lucky soul who had bought an extended warranty through my insurance company. My deductible is $250.00. I could have been out a lot of precious money. They've replaced the compressor (not the dealer) and other thing--forgot the name, but it's the other big item that makes up the system.
Someone also commented on gas mileage. I've never really gauged the miles to gallon but have intuitively noticed that it seems to gets much less than my 2000 CR-V and also has a much bumpier ride.I know why the ride, haivng a different chassis than the older CR-Vs. I won't be trading up again. I also could not believe all the letters from Honda Company with problems and recalls. I'm glad they're on their toes but yikes, what happened to the CR-V that was so reliable? I am a bit disheartened. debbie
If you were not able to start it in park but started in neutral, that means that the transmission position switch is faulty. Go to a diffrent, more knowledgeable dealership. This one must employ "Jiffy lube" rejects.
As far as having other keys on the ring, that is true. As per OWNER's MANUAL, no other keys or heavy key rings should be used.
It is Honda standard practice to replace the whole system. I suspect the dealer is the cheat. They don't get paid $80/hour when Honda corporate pays, so they figured they'd skip doing all the work.
Have you visited a local dealership to confirm the noise and diagnosis? What Honda dealer in NJ did you get the A/c fixed?
No, I have not had a second opinion from a local dealership on the noise and diagnosis because the compressor was replaced in NJ. I would have waited until I got back to CA, but I was told that what assistance Honda was offering was only good at the dealership that made the request.
I don't want to name the dealer here until I know whether or not they are at fault.
I assume you are in Kansas City? I bet you do that all the time, in the winter..
regards,
kyfdx
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I'm currently using 93 octaine, but would like to drop it down to the medium grade? Has anyone done this, will it cause any damage, or anything like that????
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I've read the other posts here, but I'm not sure what to do. My local Honda service center wants me to pay $150 for a "diagnostic", but anybody can tell (by seeing the large cracks in the metal) that the compressor is part of the problem. The estimated repair will cost me over $1600 if I let my Honda service center do this repair.
I expected my A/C system to last more than 46K miles. Terribly disappointed in Honda reliability as far as A/C goes. My 1986 Accord compressor went bad too (albeit at 115K miles). Only my 2000 Si (with 97K miles) has escaped so far though I realize A/C systems have a limited lifetime.
Can you scan that page and host it for us to see. Mine says 86 or up. I have a 2005, the 2001 said the same. The 2002 Civic Si said 86 or higher. The only Hondas that require 91 are the 1999-2000 Civic Si, Acura GS-R, Acura TSX, Honda Oddysey, Acura NSX. All of them will run fine on 87, just the listed power will not be achieved.
My 1999 Honda Civic, 2001 Honda CR-V, 2002 Honda Civic Si and 2005 Honda CR-V OWNER'S MANUALs all said to run it 15 minutes a week no matter what season.
I am not ragging on you, but talking to everyone here: OWNER'S MANUAL is a good source of answers to alot of questions posted here. They give you one to read, not to skim through, not to browse and look at picture not to toss, but to read and understand how to operate your machine. All machines need to be taken care of and operated in a way they were designed to be operated. We are not born with this knowledge, this is what OWNER"s MANUAL does. Either it is the VCR manual that tell you how to set the clock, or the car manual. They are included with the product for a reason.
I've read the other posts here, but I'm not sure what to do. My local Honda service center wants me to pay $150 for a "diagnostic", but anybody can tell (by seeing the large cracks in the metal) that the compressor is part of the problem. The estimated repair will cost me over $1600 if I let my Honda service center do this repair.
I expected my A/C system to last more than 46K miles. Terribly disappointed in Honda reliability as far as A/C goes. My 1986 Accord compressor went bad too (albeit at 115K miles). Only my 2000 Si (with 97K miles) has escaped so far though I realize A/C systems have a limited lifetime.
Read the posts and do what others did to get it covered. You have to pay the diagnostic fee. Then you have to call Honda corporate. Don't rely on the dealer, this is your interest at stake, take time to do it. Honda is a good company, they stand behind their product. Everyone makes mistakes and Honda is willing to live up to theirs. You just have to do it their way, or you will have to pay out of pocket. I am sure the compressor supplier has lost their contract with Honda, or at least I hope Honda dropped them.
I stand corrected on maintenance issues with the A/C. Though there isn't an individual item in the maintenance schedule, there is information about it in the maintenance chapter on page 219 in my owner's manual ('99 CRV).
" Run the air conditioner at least once a week during cold weather months. Run it for at least 10 minutes while you are driving at a steady speed with the engine at normal operating temperature. This circulates the lubricating oil contained in the refrigerant."
'99 CRV, 111K miles and no A/C problems. I live in Florida so it gets daily use, even in January.
btw, I'm not just a gas-n-go customer. Both, my cars were purchased new and religiously maintained on schedule. I run the A/C in the winter periodically as suggested by the owners manual. I live in Georgia so the A/C gets used most of the year. To those CR-V owners with no problems after x miles, bless you. But that doesn't help me as being one of the unfortunate ones who's A/C failed.
No car is perfect, I am sure you had other problems with a Toyota, a Mercury, two Fords, a Chevy, and a Dodge.
At least Honda stands behind its product and is covering the repairs, like they did with the failed auto's on the Accords and Oddyseys. Did Dodge help you pay for the tranny after it failed 3 miles outside of warranty?
Each manufacturer would have different maintenance items. Honda has required preiodic A/C operation for a long time. My 1985 Civic and 1988 Prelude manuals all say that it is needed.
i am checking out a used 99 CRV-LX at a dealer, and took it to a mechanic (not the dealer) who also noticed that clunk. the dealers service records even indicated that the owner had noticed the clunk at least a month before she traded it in and there was some mention of a missing part to be installed, although nothing more specific.
on the lift, my mechanic also couldn't find much that might be causing the sound, and suggested that one of the sway bar links was bad (the rubber shoes around it seemed to be loose and there was some rust). i told the dealer what he said, and asked her to try and fix the clunk before i buy. i'm waiting to see. :confuse: