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Anybody have any thoughts on the upcoming Nissan and Honda pickups???
Redundant. Who wants a Honda truck? The Toyota and Nissan ones I accept, but Honda and VW are just a whole lot of overkill. They're like the fairweather fans, Only going to make a truck while the time is right, and they'll kill it in a matter of years. As for GM, Ford, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan, those will probably be around to stay. That's just what I've always wanted, a Red stepside HONDA pickup. Give me a break people.
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Still, Ok for Nissan, they have their following. Ugly as they maybe. Honda? They make decent cars and should not stray from that market.
on its "FULLSIZE" T 100 & tundra.....
Imports from a few years back....
... Geo
If Honda and VW makes a pickup, guarandamntee that it will be like that SPort Trac, or that upcoming Subaru STX. You know, sandbox soft-roaders.
F150, Silverado or the Ram . God,-- I bet the management of the big three in pickups go to church every Sunday thanking the Lord that Honda does not do this !!
there is no reason to believe that honda would make a decent truck, it would be like the toyota, only thing going for it is a car interior for the wusses.
Toyota may have mis-stepped with the T-100, but their Tundra is a solid hit. I'm sure all the other about-to-be-announced full-size pickup will have learned from Toyota as well.
Honda also mis-stepped with their first Odyssey minivan. They learned their lesson. Their current Odyssey is now a legitimate threat to the Chrysler minivans. I doubt they'll make the same mistake with their first pickup.
So laugh all you want... now. Within five years (if not sooner) the American pickup truck makers will have every reason to be concerned.
Bob
Silverado explosive growth 2 years after introduction. in the face of the toyota tundra.
Camry sales slipped about the same # of units as the tundra went up, part of that is bound to be tundra sales.
Toyota has made trucks before and they made two bombs (if you consider them fullsize), compare them against the dakota they aren't too bad. Honda has no experience, so theirs will probably be even worse. when will the japanese get we aren't the size of the japanese?
I'm simply saying don't write these guys off. They have a long track record of entering various markets and succeeding.
Maybe five years is a bit too ambitious, but 10-15 years isn't. Remember, the Honda Accord wasn't introduced until 1976. That's 25 years ago. It's now a top seller, and has been for years. The same could happen with pickups.
Bob
Yes, to truly challenge Ford, Dodge and GM, for sales, it will take years and much more production capacity; but it can be done. Look where Toyota was five years ago, and look where they are now. Then think about where they will be in 10-15 years. I wouldn't be so confident, if I were you.
Bob
If you are looking for a home run, the 2500HD's from GM in one year already sell about the same or more units than Tundra, without incentives. And the 1500's have taken the #1 spot from Ford.
Regardless, it's here and now, Tundra's future still pie in the eye.
As you know, Toyota has aimed the Tundra more at current owners of Japanese vehicles, than traditional full-size truck owners. People, such as yourself, are harder to convert. Owners of Hondas, Nissans, Subarus, etc., can better appreciate the Tundra (and the other upcoming pickups), and are a much easier sell.
Bob
Whether you like them or not, isn't important to me. If anything, it will keep Detroit from falling asleep at the wheel; which will ultimately mean better F-Series, Silverados, and Rams.
I don't know about you, but I see that as progress.
Bob
-Eric
I don't know of any long time faithfuls of GM/Ford or Dodge switching over to tundra. the truck is made for people that like the camry and like cars, thats why it looks like a camry and drives like a camry.
Bob
But I've read more statements from die hard Toyota lovers to the effect, that they wouldn't buy domestic even if it had more power, better fuel economy, better braking, cost less etc. I'm far more open minded than that. And my hands on consideration of Tundra proves it. There's simply no perfect truck for everyone.
I agree with you about Tundra meeting or exceeding the goals set for it by Toyota. Toyota executives have expressed their greatest concern to be politcal. Since our markets are open to foreign goods, they chance more with a true direct assault on the domestic truck industry then they do by cultivating a good image partnering with domestic companies on projects like the joint venture with GM on electric hybrids or hydrogen. Similar partnering is underway with Isuzu, who is designing the next S10 pickup, and Honda, to supply 100,000 engines and transaxles to GM for small front wheel drive cars, and GM to supply Honda with truck engines and drivetrains for their upcoming pickup.
I see these new entries into the pickup market as a breath of fresh air. As with every vehicle there will be areas to criticize, as well as praise. Everybody is going to try and "out-feature" the other guy. I can easily see Honda or VW or Nissan incorporating some of the new features found in the Chevy Avalanche, and building and improving upon them.
I'm really looking forward to the next few years as far as vehicles are concerned.
Bob
The new VW pickup will be built here in North America.
Bob
A 260 HP V6?
Chevy has a 275 HP I6....easier to manufacture than a V6 and the same EPA numbers as a comparable V6, so sadly the 4.3 is on its death bed. Since its a I6 it makes plenty of torque and is naturally balanced.
I can't wait until its the base engine in the Silverado.....heard it will make 300 HP then.
A standard engine with 300 HP? Life is good!
1994 was the last redesign of the S10.
The Tundra was to never have a V8 American engine. From day one (when it was finally decided to have a V8 powerplant in the Tundra) the plan was to use a Lexus-derived V8 motor.
-Eric
Bob
Please tell me this is not the full size Nissan truck I have been waiting for. What are these designers thinking? This is uglier than the Aztec. If the Big 3 fans have a problem with the Tundra design, which I like, they will have a field day laughing at this design. I have driven a Tundra and loved it - quiet, smooth, powerful. I also have driven F-150s - loud, bumpy and like steering an oil tanker complete with heeling over in the corners. And I won't own another GM. I would like a short box and regular cab which Tundra doesn't have. Where can I find information on the Honda? Otherwise, I'll be buying a Tundra, and then joining in the war of words at the Tundra forum which I have been reading for two years.
Where the Toyota is excels, is the coil front suspension, and rack and pinion steering.
The GM V8 in Honda pickups is a done deal according to Wall St. Journal. Honda will be supplying GM with 100,000 4 cylinder engines and transaxles for a small car application. A marriage suiting the strengths of both manufacturers.
I bought an '87 Chevy Nova with a Toyota engine in it. Personally that is the most cruel thing to do to the Nova name. Very good car but they killed the name Nova.
frey44, You may want to rethink your statement about blue-collar. You offended both sides here for no reason. With sales running 7 to 1, I bet there are more high educated buyers are buying the Chevy. There are many doctors and lawyers driving F150, Rams, and Silverados. I wonder how your Honda truck would tow with high hp and no torque, typical of Honda engines!
Now if Toyota decides to put out a 5.3L, then the comparison with GM's 5.3L would make sense. Until then...
BTW, I hope you're wrong about the GM engine/Honda truck deal. It would be a big mistake, IMO—no matter how good the GM engine is. One of the main reasons people buy Hondas—is because of their engines. Another big reason is that Honda customers don't like domestic brands.
Honda would be shooting themselves in the foot by sticking a GM (or any domestic V8) engine under the hood. You'll get the hardcore domestic buyer saying: "See, I told you the Japanese can't make a big V8;" and at the same time, they'll alienate their long-time faithful. It's about as dumb a move as Honda could make.
Bob
There never were any plans to put a V8 GM motor in a Tundra. It was the T100. There were rumors, and they were just that, rumors, that Toyota wanted small block V8 engines from GM in the T100. Whatever the reason, the plan never materialized...
I have followed the Tundra from conception (magazines, news articles etc) and I have never once heard this.
What I did read, was that it still took some work for Toyota to put a V8 in the Tundra. What I mean by this is that apparently some at Toyota believed a V8 in the truck was not necessary, and the truck only required a larger V6. After talks with American Toyota dealers, the lead designer of the Tundra went back to Japan and convinced the "big wigs" to add Toyota's first V8 powered truck to its lineup...
Bob
She is a rural mail carrier and used them for 25 years.
She is ready to buy a new one and needs to know can you get the new frontier with extended cab and have a front bench seat(column shifter) after 25 years of straddling the hump in the middle she doesn't think she can switch to RHD.
I am all for Japanese fullsize trucks. More choice is a good thing.
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Because streets are narrower and gas is pricier in the home markets, their corporate design culture has developed a sense of thrift in engineering and packaging that won't let them supersize everything the way they need to in order to really rock the pickup world. As evidence, note that Toyota almost made the foolish mistake of introducing the Tundra with nothing more than a V6, and that they are considering larger engines for it later on. I think further down the line foreign half-ton truck builders will become a threat to the domestics, but only after they get used to American automotive culture and learn that design philosophies that work in building economy cars won't necessarily work for big trucks.