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On the Honda Accord, the dealer will charge about $700 installed AND it requires a separate keyfob to use it. I really don't want to carry 2 fobs for the same car in addition to all the other keys and fobs I need to carry in my pockets. One reason I want push start is so I don't have to worry about the weight of my heavy key ring on the ignition slot.
I see that the estimated 60 month retained value of a 2013 Accord is 46% of MSRP vs about 40% for the Altima. If I pay a lower percentage of MSRP for the Altima and not have to blow $700 on dealer installed remote starter it could easily be a wash or even in favor of the Altima after 7 or 8 years.
I could even get an Altima SV with convenience package and tech package to bump up the backup camera screen to a size closer to the Accord and have the price be around the same as the Accord EX which does not have available nav.
I think the Altima purchased at the right price is going to win on cost even after resale differences. I'll only get the Accord if I like it a lot better and feel like the extra cost is worth it.
I’m in a bit of an odd situation. A friend of my mom’s has a 2010 Infiniti G37 Journey 4-door and her lease expires in a few weeks. Initially, I just gave her some recommendations on certain models to check out and a few good lease specials that also might interest her. But now I’m basically her ‘wing man’ and I hardly know her. She is a very nice, classy, attractive 60-year old...but she’s also quiet, has a’dry’ or ‘hard-to-get-to-know’ personality, which freaks me out! My mom’s personality (and mine) are the polar opposite and neither of us ever meet a stranger (but my mom is a total sweetheart and I can be a real smart-@ss)...anyway, the most frustrating part is that she is IMPOSSIBLE to read based on facial expressions and body language. I feel like Agent Boothe trying to communicate with Dr. Brennan on BONES!
But she has been very open and forthcoming in answering all my questions about money and a few delicate questions about her future plans and personal life. Long story short- her husband is a jerk and she is planning to leave him by the end of the year. I needed to determine her current financial situation and how a divorce will affect her cash flow. I also had to figure out if she would be open to some upscale cars that may not have a ‘premium’ badge on the trunk!
She pays $497/mo for the lease on the 2010 G37. She was expecting it to stay close to same, just not over $500/mo. She cares more about the look, design and function than the brand name, which opens things up! And she drives like a librarian, so she probably has no clue what has been lingering under her left foot for the last 35 months in the G37. So less power is fine also....
Her credit score is in the 780s and she owns a Physical Therapy practice that cleared over $200k last year. So qualifying for top-tier deals should not be an issue.
I had her do some drive-bys to see several models today-
2013 KIA Optima SX-Limited
2014 KIA Sorento SX
2014 Mazda6 i Grand Touring
2014 Mazda CX-5 Touring/GT
2013 Acura TSX 4dr
2013 Acura TL ‘Base’
2013 Hyundai Sonata
2013 Hyundai Azera
2013 Hyundai Santa Fe (both versions)
2013 Honda Accord EX-L V6 (killer lease deal)
2013 Volvo S60 T5
So....she completed all of her assignments except she didn’t make it to the Hyundai dealership. But I was surprised (and impressed) that she took notes on all the others!
She initially loved the Optima SX-L, but the KIA logo was huge and ugly enough to be a deal-breaker! I didn’t say a word to influence her opinion before-hand, but the KIA emblem is as huge as a belt-buckle and looks cheap! It ruins otherwise world-class designs...and my mom passed on the 2013 Sorento for the same exact reason, so it’s not just me!
The Mazda6 was love at first sight! She liked it better than her Infiniti, any new Infiniti/Lexus/BMW or anything else. She saw it in SOUL RED and (amazingly, considering her personality) would want it in that color! If her, dare I say...enthusiasm, continues after the test drive, we have the front-runner right here! I’m curious to see what the lease payment would be for 36mos on a GT.....
The Acura TSX was acceptable to her, but she thought the TL ‘Base’ was as boring and ugly as the Mazda6 was gorgeous! She also threw me another shocker- she liked the TSX Wagon best of all! Again, I didn’t say a word to her, but these are all my opinions as well. The TL ranges from boring to hideous depending upon trim level and I would pay MORE for the TSX before I’d drive a TL! I have a 2010 TSX V6, so I obviously love them....especially that Wagon!
Honda Accord EX-L V6- kinda plain, but still classy and upscale looking; couldn’t find a single exterior color that appealed to her, but maybe she didn’t see ALL of them....and for $0 due at lease signing and $380/month for 36 months with 12k miles per year, she could learn to like dishwater-dull beige!
The Volvo S60 T5 was the other near-ringer, 2nd only to the Mazda6. But all three local dealers have them in one of two configurations- Base T5 with no options in Ice White or Black Stone (the non-metallic ‘free’ colors) OR Premier Plus/Platinum with every option box checked and a $40k sticker price! Leather, moonroof and maybe even metallic paint would do very nicely on the base T5 and keep the price around $33k...but they don’t seem to order them that way....
I still want to her to see the Hyundai models, especially the new Azera. I ended up renting one a few weeks ago and, I’m not ashamed to admit, my 38-yr old butt would join AARP right now if they’d give me one of these! Her only two complaints about the Infiniti are the (too) firm ride and low fuel economy. I was very surprised that the new Azera is NOTHING like the previous Azera! It handled somewhere between an old Buick and a parade float, even bouncing a bit after expansion joints on the freeway....the new car is very comfy, but firm and not floaty at all.
I also want her to see the entry-level Audi models, perhaps the Infiniti CUV models and (even though I’m not a Lexus fan) we’ll ride thru the lot and see who falls asleep first from sheer visual boredom!
What else am I missing??? Maybe the Nissan Maxima?
If she doesn't need a big car, she may like a BMW 320i or 328i or an X1.
If she really likes the Mazda 6 and is not bothered by the road noise on the highway, she could get that and save some money.
She might like the Buick Lacrosse or even a Verano is she doesn't mind smaller cars.
High trim VW Passat or Passat CC can be nice also.
I’ve never seen the car before and I just assumed it was a Journey with Premium Package, like 99% of leased G37 models. I tried not to think about why she was paying $500/month for it and a 2013 can be leased for $299/mo....but I just got the answer about an hour ago.
I had her scan and email her lease contract so I could check out the turn-in requirements and any nit-picking b.s. It stated the car’s MSRP as $44,470 and a discount of $3900 for a Cap Cost of $37k and change after down payment. But the Journey with Premium Pkg MSRP shouldn’t be over $38k...so she sent me a scan of the window sticker....it has EVERY freakin’ option available including the SPORT Package, NAV, Tech Pkg.....
My mom had said it was Silver, but it’s actually Graphite Shadow, which is a plus for me! It has Graphite Leather with Real Maple Interior Trim.
No wonder she thinks it rides too firm- it has 18” W-rated Summer Performance tires, 225/50 on front and 245/45 on rear AND a sport suspension package....duh!
It has all of the following-
Premium Package-
Power Moonroof, 10-speaker Bose Audio System, Power tilt/telescope steering wheel, 2-position memory w/ steering wheel, mirror and seat position memory, Smart Key w/ seat/mirror memory
Technology Package-
Adaptive Cruise Control
Front pre-crash Seatbelt System
Brake Assist w/ Preview
Collision Warning System
Advanced Climate Control System
Rain-sensing wipers
Navigation Package
Interior Accent Package-
Real Maple Trim on Door Panels, Dash and Console
Sport Package-
12-way Power Sport Driver’s Seat
Sport-tuned steering, suspension & brakes
Solid magnesium paddle shifters
Aluminum pedal accents
Viscous Limited Slip Differential
Sport front fascia, side sills and unique sport headlights
18” Premium Alloy Wheels
P225/50WR18 Performance tires (front)
P245/45WR18 Performance tires (rear)
The dealer has an identical looking one w/o Tech Pkg or Maple Trim for $28k. Her lease-end purchase option is $20,874 per the lease contract! So I can buy it at that price....right at $22,300 with tax, tag and title. I told her I’d buy it for that and put $1k toward the down payment on her new lease!
This is so crazy! I just bought a CPO 2010 Acura TSX V6 on 4/13....two weeks ago yesterday! I love it but it doesn’t have the Tech Pkg (no NAV or Premium Audio) and this G37 is beyond loaded! I was fortunate enough to pay cash for the Acura, so I’m taking it to Carmax tomorrow to see what they will give me. If nothing else, I can finance the G37 until I sell the TSX....
I’m going over to her house first thing in the morning (this morning now) to see and drive it! But I can’t see any reason not to go for it! She didn’t even realize how loaded it was and figured all G37s had those features...even though she didn’t use or know how to use a lot of them.....wow!
You should probably find out what she could get on trade for her car and make her whole on the deal. I'm guessing she's got more than $1,000 in equity if she were to trade it in on her next vehicle. Then again...she may REALLY like you and not mind taking care of her sugar baby.....ha!
I can add her name as co-owner to the title of my Acura. Then she can trade it in on the Infiniti and buy out the lease and have it titled in both of our names just like the trade-in.
When I get the hard copy of the Infiniti title, she and I can go down to the County Tag office and have her removed leaving my name only on the title. If we trade the Acura (which has no loan) I can cover any difference to buy out the Infiniti in cash, so there won't be a loan complicating the whole thing....
I already have 1mil/1mil/100k liability limits on my auto policy plus a $2mil umbrella on top of that. That will protect her assets during the time her name is on the title of the car I'm driving. If anyone questions any of these actions, I'll tell them she's my Cougar/Sugar Mama...until we remove her name from the title eventually, then she'll be the Cougar that chewed me up spat me out...give 'em something to gossip about!
Trading the Acura would reduce the tax on the G37 purchase by at least $1350, so I'll give the $1k plus $1350 ($2350) to put down on the new lease. If she were to decide to go with an Acura instead of the Mazda, they also have a $1500 Conquest Bonus offer that she could get with her name still being on the Infiniti title....
I talked to her just a few minutes ago and told her that it was easily worth $23,500 trade-in or more and I wanted to pay her what she would get on trade-in. But she flatly refused and told me even knowing that she could buy it and turn around and immediately trade/sell it for $3k more, she wouldn't go thru the hassle and paperwork! Did I mention that she made over $200k last year? Must be nice....
Besides, she considers my time and effort in finding her the best new car fit and getting her the best deal on it very valuabele. I really don't mind doing it at all, but she seems genuinely grateful for my help! I don't think anyone has ever done that before.....
So she feels that things are 100% equitable with me paying the lease buyout and no more. She says she won't accept any of the $2350 I plan to give her for down payment, but I told her that I'd be there with her and I'll hand them the certified bank check for $2350 when we walk into the F&I office!!!
Of course, it is pouring rain here in Georgia today and thunderstorms for the rest of the day....I'm still going over to look it and drive it, but won't be able to really try it out until the roads are dry....dangit...
She and my mom were joking about that earlier on the phone and then mom called to give me a hard time about it.
Let's just say that there is NO chance of anything like that ever happening.
I'm trying to think of the best way to put this....
I'm 1/16th Cherokee Indian and my best friend and I went to Cherokee NC to the Casino and Reservation several years ago. I wanted to meet an Elder/Chief who could give me my 'Cherokee' name, but we got tired of waiting in line after an hour or so. We went back to the Casino and started gambling and getting hammered. Once I had a good buzz, my best friend (since 7th grade, 25+ years) christened me "Dances With Boys" and in return, I named him "Flaming Arrow"....understand?
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I have a cousin who loves to call me a "Confirmed Bachelor" and loudly ponders my plight at family funerals and other inappropriate times...in a thick Southern accent, "Jason, son, I'm starting to worry about you! You are 38 years old and it keeps me up some nights wondering when you are finally going to meet the right girl? And it breaks my heart that instead of being happily married with a few kids and rentin' that single-wide next to ours, You are still living with your college roommate in that big old new 4-bedroom Craftsman style home inside the Atlatna city limits with all the sin and evil right in front of you every day, almost like it's in your own bedroom....But I still have faith that Jesus has one picked out there for you somewhere....y'know, that cashier at the Piggly Wiggly, the one who had to go on Workmans Comp cause she was so fat she collapsed the stool at her register, I think she's single and she's lost almost 20 pounds, only 380 more to go and she can fit in one airlplane seat..."
I kid you not, this happens out loud where others can hear it...I triple my daily Valium dosage (and chew them) during those warm family moments...;
I think the title dance is a lot of work to get to the same place as a dealer just processing the paperwork for a nominal fee. I've done this numerous times and it's never been a problem.
Haha, she's very resourceful and made one of her own, it took about nine months and he is 24 now!
That is actually how she and my mom became friends. Mom was seeing a physical therapy at her practice and overheard her having a conversation with another therapist about her son, Jordan. She was very worried about him because he struggles with bi-polar depression. After mom's therapy was finished, she took her outside and gave her a big hug and they talked for over two hours. That was three years ago...
Also, I'm the very rare sub-type of gay that is not good sidekick material for most women....they didn't even know my kind existed prior to me....I am what is known as a "boring gay"....a few years ago, I attended a charity event with my best friend and a drag queen was hadning out "Most Likely Awards" to random audience members. I was named "Most Likely to Be Mistaken for A Soccer Dad!"
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Plus, it not just fuel costs. There is the higher purchase price, plus there may be an insurance premium jump and higher maintenance costs over time.
There is a redesigned Kia Soul coming out in the fall that has push start available in an option package in the mid trim Soul Plus level.
The current generaton Soul is too noisy buzzy for me, but apparently they really improved the driving refinement on the 2014s and they said it is 3db quieter than a 2013.
I will have to wait for road test reviews and my own test drive to see if it is still too loud even after the NVH improvements for 2014. I will also wait for small overlap crash testing and first owners reports on quality issues, but if everything is fine, this could be another option.
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I am in need of some advice regarding the car I should purchase. I have three choices:
1. 08 Avalon XLS 61000 Miles Certified $16500
2. 11 Hyundai Sonata SE (leather and nav) 45000 Miles Certified $17500
3. 08 Honda Accord XLE (leather and nav) 58000 miles not certified $17400
I am wanting a car that is dependable and will last. All three cars listed above are in excellent condition.
Thanks for your help
Lance
Hopefully I posted this in the right area. Sorry if I didn't.
In any case, I'm going to give you the long story of this question, so you have a better idea of everything.
Three weeks ago, I got laid off after 10 months of working at a place and moving across the country (midwest to new england) for a job. Two weeks after that, I ended up totaling my car after an encounter with some deer on the interstate. Since I got laid off, I can't finance a car even though I have stellar credit and I also don't plan on staying around here for that much longer. I'm applying to jobs all over the country, so who knows where I will end up.
With that said. I got my insurance check and a little more money, so I'm looking for a car in the 7000$ range at the highest. I can't drive a stick and I would rather have a car over a truck or anything, just because of gas. I also don't know much about cars in general. I can check the fluids and tires, but that is about it. Everything else I'm clueless about.
I've spent this entire week going from dealer to private person, test driving, carfaxing, and everything. Looking at craigslist, autotrader and cars.com about everyday.
I'm pretty open to most cars, but I keep hearing good things about Hondas, Subarus and Fords.
I had a Chevy Cobalt and I never had major issues with it and got to 120k miles, before I crashed the damn thing. I bought it new, but also financed it back in the day. This not financing thing, makes it feels like I lack options, but maybe I'm just not savvy enough at the car shopping bit.
So far, I've came across 3 maybes. (I'm not sold on them, so any other suggestions I would love to hear.) All of them are from used car dealerships, which are always shady. For whatever reason, I can't find a decent car from a private person or when I finally get ahold of them, the car is already sold, though it has been a week.
Anyway, the first car was a 2005 Ford Taurus with about 87K miles on it. The engine kinda revved up and down slightly when it was idling, but I don't know if that is normal for a ford taurus or if I was looking too much into it. It also had some weird rust spots on the under side, also I don't know what is normal vs what is bad. The dealer wanted 6200$.
The second car was a 2005 Honda Civic with 119k miles on it. The brakes where kinda bad, but other than that everything else seemed alright. The dealer wanted 6900$ for that.
The Ford and the Honda was from the same dealer, who out of all the ones I've met, has been the most helpful and "honest" guy. I don't really trust anyone selling a car, because I've just came across to much bs. But I mean, he said he wouldn't sell anything to me until he delivered me carfax reports (his computer was messing up, he showed me, seemed legit) and he also wanted to do some regular maintenance because the cars were new. Also, when I googled the shop/dealer it got stellar reviews. Not to mention, he said I should take any car I want to purchase to a mechanic of my choice. The fact that he recommended it to me, before I brought anything like that up also makes me like the guy, if that makes any sense.
The last car I've came across was a 2003 Chevy Malibu with 82K miles on it for 4200$. The car drove the best, but reeked of smoke. But I mean it didn't idle weird, fluids seemed to check out, brand new tires, overall really nice. Since I'm trying to do research before I buy anything, I told the guy I was leaving and he immediately dropped the price to 3000$. I mean, it seems like a good deal, but it also seems like TOO GOOD of a deal, if that makes sense. He was also hesitant on a car fax report, so I did my own and it was clean, but still, the dealer seemed like a regular slime ball.
So that is where I am now. Any advice? Should I continue to look? Anything else I should check out on the cars? I need a car within probably 2 weeks, because I will be moving again.
In any case, anything you will tell me will probably be helpful.
Thanks in advance!
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Moving on... I am looking to purchase a used car, I really want a reliable vehicle that needs minimal repairs. I have had the worst luck with cars. I now own a 2005 Chevy Equinox and have had too many issues with it and now want to get something else. I have heard a lot about Toyota, Honda, and Nissan. Everyone always says.. they last forever. What does that really mean?? How many miles is too many when you are looking to purchase a used Honda, Toyota, or Nissan?? I don't want to get a vehicle with 100,000+ miles and then have to do a bunch of repairs.
Also, of Toyota, Honda, and Nissan which is the best buy, and what models? I would like to stay with and a SUV, but can go back to a sedan. I am looking to spend $12,000 and would like to have it for at least 2 years to allow me to finish school. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Laurie
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When I was a student I wasted a lot of time and money by buying used. I wish I had just bought a new Honda to begin with and kept it longer than the used lemons I used to own. If you have $12,000 I think you should just buy a new car instead.
Why? Because used Hondas keep their value. You might pay c. $15,000 for a 4 year old Civic LX with 50,000 miles. But you can get a brand-new 2013 Civic LX for c. $16,990 in many markets. And financing is often available.
Then, rather than having a car you need to trade or repair in a few years, you can just keep it for c. 10 reliable years and save big in the long run. Or, if you need or want to sell it sooner, it will have good resale value.
My 2 cents.
If that's not important to you, all of these should be pretty reliable but the Avalon has the edge I think because 2011 was the first year for that Sonata, and 2008 the first year for that Accord. If the Certified Sonata includes extending the bumper to bumper warranty to 10 years/100k miles, that could be a big factor for you. Be sure to ask the dealer about that. At the least, the powertrain warranty should be extended to 100k miles on the Sonata as a Certified vehicle and you'd still have at least two years and 15k miles left of the b2b warranty.
Did you happen to check out any CPO Hyundai Azera models? They were introduced in 2006 as a direct competitor to the Avalon....I really like them. The less expensive models have the same V6 that was optional on the Sonata during the same years. The top-end Azera Limited had a larger 3.8L v6 with more power and it is one smooth operator!
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Crest Honda in Nashville has one for $20,292, and Honda dealers in most major metropolitan areas will get close to that.
If you buy a new Accord, it's highly likely you'll only have to do minor maintenance (oil changes, mainly) and buy one set of tires for the next 10 years & 100,000 miles. This will simplify your life and save you a lot of time, money, and headaches. You'll save in the long run imho, and have much better resale whenever you do want to get another car.
1.9% financing for 5 years is available directly from Honda.
http://www.cresthonda.com/index.htm
2013 Honda Accord LX
2013 Honda Accord Sedan
Engine:
2.4L I-4 cyl
Transmission:
Continuously Variable
City MPG:
27.0
Hwy MPG:
36.0
Ext. Color:
Alabaster Silve
Int. Color:
Black
VIN:
1HGCR2F36DA103795
Stock Number:
DA103795
Location:
Crest Honda
MSRP $23,270 Dealer Discount $2,978 True Price $20,292
That's not a question for me, but for the OP. The OP asked about 3 large-ish cars. Actually, the Avalon is a full-sized car, and by interior volume I am pretty sure the Accord and Sonata are also. So a big difference there compared to something like the Corolla and Civic, with their relatively small interiors, and even the Elantra, which at least has a mid-sized interior.
I suppose you could ask the OP, what about a Smart car or Fiat 500 too... really easy to park!
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While Toyota is good, it isn't the only good option out there.
The Avalon will be a more luxurious car and ride like a lot smoother than the others. If you want sportier driving the Sonata SE is the obvious choice.
You should drive each one on the highway to get a better feel for what you would be getting. Also check out the dashboard lighting in the night--some people do not like certain colors.
Happy shopping!!
I'm assuming you mean EX-L? I would tend to agree about the first year of production for any vehicle; give them time to work out the bugs. However, drive one yourself and judge road noise. It's all relative. Hondas are not the quietest cars in the class, but they certainly aren't tractors rolling down the road. Trust me, I put 235,000 miles on a '96 Accord and 65,000 on a 2006. However, my 2009 Sonata V6 is the quietest car I've had, for what its worth.
Drive one, don't trust me or another random internet poster. Come to your own conclusions - you may love the Accord; they drive beautifully.
I am planning to buy a new small size car under $20K. My driving needs are
- I drive around 2000 miles per month (mainly highway)
- I need good MPG (around 35+)
- Reliable (no frequent breakdowns and repairs)
- Low maintenance/repair
So far my options are
Mazda 3 iTouring
Nissan Sentra SR or FE+SV
Honda Civic LX
Ford Focus SE
Hyundai Elantra GLS
All 2013 models
Which ones of these are worth buying? It would help me a lot if you can explain the reasoning behind your suggestions.
Thanks.
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My most critical points are price, mpg, and low maintenance. Those would be deal breakers. Since this car will be mainly getting me from point A to B, I am not too hard on features. Eg. Having a navigation is not at all a factor.
Good audio system, keyless remote (not remote start), quiet ride, smooth driving, and slightly sporty is all I care. Eg. from what I read about Sentra, it's a good car, spacious, but a bit bland. Mazda3 has a good balance of looking sporty plus giving you smooth ride.
I hope this gives some more insight.
Thanks for sharing your views, suydam.
There was just a small-car review in the June Motor Trend you might want to check out. It included the Mazda3i, Sentra, and Civic but also the Dart and brand-new Forte. And... the Forte came out on top. So you might want to take a look at it. It's based loosely on the Elantra but the EX trim has a more powerful engine with little FE penalty, and I think looks-wise it's a stunner. A well-equipped LX automatic would come in under your $20k limit, an EX just over before discounting.
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I would, however, like to point out that per US News, the Focus ranks the same as mazda3 and Honda Fit, and higher than Elantra. The Civic does score a little better.
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Go rent them all and see which "fits", then you'll really know!
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
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