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Price gouging may occure at some dealerships in the first months. However, this isn't a very limited production car like most models that get gouged. They're going to make something like 5000 cars a month(maybe it was 10,000 can't remember exactly).
If Nissan says this car is worth 27,000 dollars, I am not going to pay more than that. I will pay that amount or less than that amount, but I am not going to pay more than the manufacturer thinks it is worth. I don't buy cars based on hype. That would be like paying 100 bucks to see a movie first. I wouldn't do it. Some may do it, but I wont, because I can see it later for less money, and still get the same experience. The only thing to show for your extra money is braggine rights: that way you can say" I saw/drove it first.
Frankly, this car sounds too good to be true and I tend to be very cautious with things that seem too good to be true. And even though Nissan has a pretty good record, I'd want to wait a year or two in case there are bugs to work out.
Finally, I'm disappointed that they don't have a version without all the gadgets but with the performance improvements. I was assuming that's what the "Track" version would be. I mean really, climate control in the track version.
I will be skeptical of the Nissan dealer network though. I've been to one just once, and it was the worst dealer I've ever been to. I spoke with two different salesmen and both combined to push me out of the dealership without even looking at a car. More arrogant than the BMW guys, more disheartening than the Honda guys, and more clueless than the Ford guys. Obviously that was just one particularly bad dealer, but I do hope the dealership experience is befitting of what will be a $30k++ car once you figure in taxes. One thing I strongly believe is that if the car hasn't earned the reputation yet, then it's up to the dealership to substitute in that area. I can put up with Honda salesguys because I can trust the product at this point (and to a degree I could brush off the awful BMW dealer experience because of the superior product) but Nissan doesn't have that reputation preceding the new 350Z, at least not yet.
1990 The 300ZXTT is named the Motor Trend "Import Car of the Year." Motor Trend also names it "One of the Top Ten Performance Cars." Automobile Magazine honors the 300ZX/300ZXTT as its "Design of the Year" and names the 300ZXTT to its "All Stars" list. Road & Track names the 300ZXTT "One of Ten Best Cars in the World." Car and Driver names the 300ZXTT "One of the Ten Best Cars."
American Z-car sales reach the one million sales mark in the 1990 model year - making it the all-time best selling sports car.
1991 The 300ZX Twin Turbo is name to Car and Driver's "Ten Best" list, and is once again one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars."
1992 For the third straight year, Car and Driver names the 300ZX Twin Turbo one of its "Ten Best," and Automobile Magazine names it to its "All-Stars" list.
1993 For the fourth straight year, the 300ZX Twin Turbo is named a Car and Driver "Ten Best," and one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars."
1994 For the fifth straight year, the 300ZX Twin Turbo is named to the "Ten Best" and "All Stars" lists by Car and Driver and Automobile Magazine respectively.
1995 Marks the 25th Anniversary of the Z. It also brings another award from Car and Driver, as the publication names the 300ZX Twin Turbo to its "Ten Best" list for the sixth straight year.
xenon headlamps
homelink
cruise control
TCS
limited slip differential
aluminum pedals
day/night rearview mirror
lighted vanity mirrors
Performance Model = Enthusiast Model +
VDC
tire pressure monitor
18" wheels
Touring Model = Performance Model +
bose stereo
leather seats
power seats
heated seats & mirrors
Track Model = Performance Model +
front & rear spoilers
18" lightweight wheels
brembo brakes
I've spent time in all of the older Zs and they are wonderful, but it's pretty clear that the 350Z is a completely different car. I'm definitely not buying it blind, and since I don't know how this new Z is (maybe it's stunning, maybe it's light, plastic, and full of rattles - we don't know from the press photos or the showroom model) other things like dealership impressions are definitely going to have a bearing on my attitude towards Nissan and their cars.
C'mon, when the Altima debuted, they were getting $2,000 over MSRP. What do you think is going to happen to the Z? Doesn't take a lot of guesswork.
Now the Mini....don't even get me STARTED on how much over sticker they are going to get on that car! Sweet ride, that Cooper S!
The new Altima's are already in the "Screamer Ads" here in NY. I'm sure there will be dealer gouging on the new Z. Just keep your pants on and wait for it to cool down. My friend had 3 Nissans ('96 Pathfinder SE, '98 Pathfinder SE, & '00 Maxima SE). He swears by Nissans! The 3 cars he had had ZERO problems (he only had them for a short time w/ lots of miles). He loves Nissans, but HATES the dealerships! He traded in his '00 Maxima SE (5 speed) for an '02 Audi A4 3.0Q (6 Speed).
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Must say I do agree with the previous posters about gouging = capitalism. If you can get more money, why not?
I wonder if there are pictures of the car in each color, to make pre-ordering selection easy. Then again, since the Z isn't low volume it may be better just to wait a month or two anyway just to see it in person a few times. I also wonder what percentage of the cars will be base models.
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It differs with light alloy wheels, no bose, spoilers, & Brembo.
Now what you guys think... is it better to get performance ($31794) model and add 3rd party stuff on it 3 grand worth it?
There is no photo for track out there yet. Will be going to NAIAS next week or so.
It's too bad you can't get the better calipers and pads on the other models. I don't think I need the track model nor need to put up with its sacrifices, but I'm a big fan of stopping power. This is something Honda generally sucks at. I am so impressed by Porsche and Toyota (and to a lesser degree BMW) for what they are able to do with brakes systems. I want my next car to have strong, linear, fade-free stopping at all speeds.
P.S. that sexy G35 is around $27 also base....
Can anyone remember the last time a car was announced in "production" trim...and the real HP figure was an unknown with a "+" attached to it?
Maybe this means that it will be available off the showroom floor with 280 HP...but remove this plate/switch/etc.. an you have xxx HP
Will the engines all be the same...not one bit of info in that area so far. My guess is that it won't be too hard to get even the base model up to an even 300 HP - if that is so look for a 5.4- 5.8 0-60 MPH time for the base model. I guess we'll know better when we know the Z's real weight.
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anyway, Afty, I agree with you going for track. I know it will cost more If I go for extra later on... THERE IS NO WAY I AM BUYING THIS CAR TILL I SEE IT!!! 35 grands is no joke for a person like me
btw, has any one seen any pics of track with spoilers?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
about the HP: dont quote me on this but I heard that most of the HP gain of te 350Z over the maxima version of the engine actually resulted from just adding a more free exaust, and a improved intake....which meens that future exaust and intake/computer mods probably wont make much HP gain....I bet someone will make new cam's and heads for it though...
That pikes peak white is very ugly...like a dirty white or something.
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the 18 inch wheels make sence....still they better look good for 2grand
This is a minimum figure! It would be greater gain if the % drivetrain loss is greater or if the max engine hp is actually 300 instead of 280.
Better exaust, intake, head etc, will definitely get this car to 300+ ponies. I wonder if it is possible to turbo this motor!
I dont think open deck will be a problem...AS you say it should be easy to fill in the space between the cilinder and the edge of the block, and even without bothereing to fill it in there have been plenty of cars with boosted open deck blocks...maybe nissan even designed it to handle boost from the start....
A good example is the subaru WRX...up tell like 1996 or 1997 (1996 I think) they used closed deck blocks, but past 1996 they have used open deck blocks, and that motor takes a hell of a lot of boost in STI form.