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That $2400 includes the $1000 rebate... And after doing some research I found it was about, ummmm, $480 over invoice. I thought that was fair and didn't try to dicker the sticker any further.
So, my 6S, manual shift, sport pak, and Bose stereo had a sale price of... I don't have it down to the dollar, but I think it was $20,750 after the rebate.
As for the buying "experience", I was a little disappointed with the salesman, as he didn't return my calls as quickly as I would've liked. He seemed rather blase about the whole thing as a matter of fact. The finance guy was much more helpful than the salesman.
And no, no rust. Mine is a "late build", with a manufacture date of 7/03. Mine is from Michigan, not Japan.
Anyhow, I am pleased as punch with the car. The gal who works at the front office for my apartment complex nearly soiled herself when she saw the 6. I might even get a date out of it.
-SHOV6
(yes, I know, I should change my "screen name")
For those who think this is normal with some cars, if you saw my door frames you would think differently. This is hardly a first year bug. There is surface rust everywhere, and I've yet to see pictures that show it worse than mine. The only area I've been spared are spots on my hinges so far.
barryso: I don't personally think Mazda is any better or worse than other manufacturers. With my luck if I bought a Honda I'm sure I would of gotten a defective tranny.
That was sort of my point. You can get good/bad stuff with any manufacturer. At some point you just have to put your money down and take the chance.
Mazda has taken positive action with the RX-8 horsepower bruhaha and tried to do right by the customers. I'm less convinced Honda did right with with the tranmission problems of the last few years. I spent some time on the Acura CL boards a while back and couldn't believe the number of problems people were having ... some of them more than once.
Mazda may still mess this up and not do right, too. But until they do something it is all speculation.
P.S. If you throw down for an RX-8, you'll get the same light, touch-up paint, a coffee mug, and a polo shirt. It appears they save the extra perks for the heavy-hitters. I mean, look at how much more you get if you spend another 5 to 10 grand! Please.
Well look at it this way. Supposedly 2% of Honda transmissions were defective. That's 1 in 50 defective transmissions in cars.
Line up 50 Acura TL's and with 49 other owners you all take your pick, and drive away. Were you the unlucky person? Odds are you weren't, but at the same time it's not very comforting to not know if you have the defective transmission. By the time you figure it out your transmission may go out at highway speeds. 1 in 50 is too many as far as I'm concerned.
CL
I purchased the 6 because of its great safety crash test results, its sporty handling, the 0% financing, side air bags. If the car was brought back I would have a difficult time replacing it. Maybe the Accord EX. Maybe a TSX. But the days of low finance rates are going fast and the rebates are nearly completely gone.
Remember - be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
Bruce
If there was a buyback I wouldn't get a Camry,Altima or Accord, thats for sure. I still prefer my rust infested 6 to those cars. The only others I would consider is cough up the extra cash and get a RX-8 or G35. I would probably take a new 6 but with leather(can't stand that cloth fabric)since I 've always been a Mazda type of guy. I just connect with that car so this rust thing is really a low blow.
Well, mine is also 03/03, but no rust. Yippie! Was there something special about the color, or maybe my car was painted during a different shift? In any case, I am so relieved.
Marla: how is your yellow i? rusty, or trusty?
One sad note: driving out of a parking lot, I did scrape the bottom of my front fascia (Appearance Pkg), towards the right. Does anyone know what to do with this problem? It's like 3 small scratches. If you didn't know what happened, you wouldn't know they're there.
Tinting: did anyone have the back panel tinted? It looks so raked I am not sure if they can do a good job on it. The glass panels look pretty tinted if you look at them at an angle. Straight up, they look clear. Does tinting make that much a difference?
Manual shifting: I have an AT (6s), but I especially like it when merging into highway traffic, where I can manual shift. My son (14-y-o), now also gets into action when he shifts it for me sitting in the passenger seat. He still thinks it's his in 2 years. How do I tell him?
BTW, the hatchback and wagon are shown in the 2004 brochure. It says they are coming in early 2004! I wouldn't mind a hatch...
Even the most severe defects in the car business are addressed with repairs and an extended warranty. Perhaps some freebies in addition, like discounts on new cars or accessories. I can't recall a single instance where there has been a buy back of a mass-produced, widely distributed car - ever.
- Mark
I finally see a light at the end of the tunnel. I forget all about the hatch. Now I hope Mazda takes it's time resolving this so that's it's timed with the debut of the hatch. This could be a blessing in disguise. I'm already starting to feel better.
Is there anyway to find out on the internet what models, if any, had a buyback or exchange program for a defect before I get my bubbles burst? Was it the Dodge Daytona that had the buybacks?
This is something I have never heard of, what is the difference? Aren't cars mostly assembled by robots? Do robots come to work with hangovers? Do robots think about leaving early on Fridays?
kannon said: "Hey - this could be a goldmine - I may finally get the leather seats I always wanted but lost out to kitchen countertops for my wife "
kannon, would you believe formica seats?
Possibly Mazda may offer buybacks on the worst models with rust. They would then make the repairs to those cars and sell them to fleet buyers. Another good reason NOT to buy from fleets. Mazda will lose money but they can recover some of it.
fowler3
At the rate some of these cars are rusting, it won't be long before they are rolling billboards for rust.
My car has visible rust and it's 4 months old.
What will it look like in 11 years?
To get a buyback, I am sure you would have to spend some time corresponding back and forth with the Dealer, Mazda Rep and MNAO. And it would be case to case basis.
The paint job on my buddy's brother's 63' Corvette was almost as much money as I paid for my entire car.
Like I've said before, my car has 4000 miles on it and now somebody might have to replace my doors, repaint the sides of my car, take the windows and interior door pieces off of my old doors and put them on the new ones? Ish.
So much for that new car smell. Now it'll smell like a body shop.
fowler3: Most of the vehicle's body components are assembled and painted by robots. But, interior and mechanical components are generally mounted by hand.
I'd like to know how they will fix my gutter without replacing my whole back end(suggestions anyone?). The gutter is a perfect example of how sloppily Mazda put together this car. My door frames have basically one long crimson stripe all across every door.
I think it all depends how big a jerk you wanna be if you want a buyback. I plan on being a big one. If you start seeing rust in that gutter begin planning on the next car you want because Mazda won't have much of a case in saying no. To those who aren't crazy about getting doors replaced, start praying it gets to your gutter.(newcar,jstandefer, only time I hope you find some)
Easiest thing seems to be to swap in complete door assemblies, but I guess that would be more expensive (though quicker) than dismantelling the door components.
On a selfish note, my inability to make a decision and putt the trigger seems to have paid off for once, since I really liked the 6 when it first came out, but couldn't make up my mind to get one.
At least the hatch and wagon (that really intrique me) should benefit from the new and improved production process.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
It depends on how they are rusting.
I try to keep my car away from the dealer as much as I can because any time I bring in any of my cars, they might fix the problem that I brought it in for, but they screw something else up in the process.
Imagine the potential for mistakes when disassembling all 4 doors and then re-assembling them. Imagine having a brand new car that has been almost entirely re-painted. I don't even want to think about that.
That would be great. That is really heart warming news. I hope there isn't a problem with the trunk gutters. I kinda feel a little bit better now.
I searched the board for ABS module, but no hits. Has anyone else had or heard about this problem?
I did do a quick check of my doors and trunk about a week ago and saw no rust (6S, Lapis Blue, don't remember the build date, but bought in January 2003 and gone through a Michigan winter). When I get it back tomorrow, I'm going to do a more thorough check.
I did ask the service guy how many 6 owners had reported rust problems and he just looked at me and said "Rust problem? What rust problem?" I said "Quite a few 6 owners are reporting that their new cars are rusting around the doors and trunk." "Hmm...nope, haven't seen that," he replied. Guess their first defense is deny, deny, deny. Hopefully, I won't have any first hand proof to show him next week on my blue baby.
Do you think there's a chance Steve Bartman works for Mazda? That could explain alot of things.
BTW Mazda seems to have a soapy solution to this rust problem. Check out the problems board if you want a good laugh. I had to check if it was April 1st after I read it. If it's true than it's gonna be a long winter.