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My 01 Protege had to have the left front fender painted due to a hit and run 3 weeks after I got it. Carmax dropped like $2000 off the price when I took it there for an evaluation after the work had been done. Not a good sign for resale, which is already going to take a hard enough hit from rebates on a brand new for 03 car.
But.....I wonder if a Mazda dealer could low-ball you on a Mazda6 trade because of that?
It's a good point though. They should do some kind of discount if you trade in your Mazda6 for another '6' or another Mazda. I think VW runs these specials from time to time.
That's the difference between you ad me, I guess. Nothing else in my price range matches my list of requirements from a car as well as the Mazda 6. Nothing is even remotely close! If my car were rusting noticeably (which, I'll point out, so far it isn't) I would still take whatever reparations Mazda offers, and then watch the market when I'm looking for my next new car in 2005/6/7 whenever. And if a Mazda suits my needs better than the others (which I don't doubt it will!), then another Mazda it will be.
As for discounts for previous owners - through all of June/July/August Mazda offered a Mazda Owner Loyalty Rebate of $1000 which I made use of. While it was the clinching factor for me to mkae the purchase AT THAT TIME, and not bother tow ait for a hatch, it was NOT a clinching factor in the selection fo the car. ie - I would have bought another car if it suited my needs better, even without the loyalty rebate.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I know I have to take the car to the dealer eventually but after all the discussions here, the talk of this being a small problem that the dealer would fix easily made me uneasy. What do you folks think?
I have a friend that had a Z28 with defective paint on the hood. He took it to a Chevy dealer who sent it to a body shop to paint the hood. He didn't like they work they did so he took it back and insisted that they do it over again. They did.
Just my $.02 ...
http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/090209.html
My 2 cents? Keep America working, the $ in the USA...and a car that will last in your driveway.
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Lets hope its not Vega, part 2.
So, I guess that means buy a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry? I went against my own intuitions by buying something built at AutoAlliance. The funny thing is that in Mazda's press releases, Mazda boasts about bringing a large team from Japan to ensure the quality of the AutoAlliance assembly prior to Job 1. Maybe they left too soon?
After seeing the Red Sox or Cubs self destruct I'm still convinced Mazda is cursed. The Red Sox curse started when they traded Babe Ruth away the Yankees and the Mazda curse started when Ford put their tranny in the 94 626. Honda(just can't be beat)is the New York Yankess of the auto industry and Mazda is the Red Sox of the auto industry(just can't seem to catch a break.)
I agree with Buggy Whip this rust issue is inexcuseable.
I saw a new 6 with new car tags on it yesterday on my way to work. It had the sport grille and was silver. This car seems to be attracting a wide range people of all ages.
"In the magazine, the CA gave marks out of 10 for the ability of models to withstand theft from the car and theft of the vehicle itself.
Among medium cars, the Kia Rio got just one point in the theft-from table, with testers getting into the boot in just 10 seconds.
Testers were able to get into the main part of the Rio and also into the Fiat Doblo, Hyundai Matrix and Renault Avantime in less than half a minute.
But they were unable to get into - even after trying for five minutes - the Ford Fusion, Lexus LS 430, Mazda 6, Saab 9-3 and Seat Ibiza."
It became a union (UAW) plant in 1988. It has produced the 626, MX-6, Ford Probe, Mercury Cougar, and now produces the Mazda6. It will also produce the 2005 Mustang.
If it doesn't have a "J" (Japan) in the first letter of its VIN#, then I may have to research that car a little more.
That's good news, but if the 6 is easily stolen it gives you a simple way to get rid of your rust problem with the insurance company covering the full price of the car for the 1st 18 months. You just can't win.
The 6 is doing well in the northeast. I have only seen 2,000 dollar discounts on 6's. The rest have to be dealer incentives. Newspaper ads are gimmicks just get you into the car dealer. The problem with the 6 is Mazda once again has a good product but the rust issue is going to kill sales.
Lastly, all cars have their mechanical problems. Honda, Toyota, and Nissan do have mechanical problems with their cars unionized or not. A car is a man made machine. Man Made Machines can break at times.
Definitely recommend that insurance on any new car purchase, especially the way cars loose value (rebates, incentives, special financing, etc. to blame) these days.
It's also good that the '6' is a pretty hard car to steal. But believe me, if one wants it, they will get it no matter how they have to. Or they will just ruin the car completely like mine was.
So, if you leave your keys in the car in the fond hope that someone steal it, if the company can prove this, they no pay. However, if you forgetfully leave your keys in the car and it is stolen, some policies will pay and some still won't. It all depends on the state law, the policy and the company.
Best to hope for resolution of the rust problem by Mazda, not by wandering thieves.
Does the standard Mazda6 radio have an AUX in jack? If not, does the optional CD changer?
I didn't think the insurance would cover that either actually.
If you do a lot of stop-n-go driving (like on a congested road), then the AT would be much less of a hassle. You might wear through an MT's clutch faster due to all the shifting, but if you like driving an MT, you might miss that when the road clears. Between the two AT options, I like the 5spd one, but it's available only on the 6s. It's made by JATCO (joint venture by a few Japanese car mfrs, including Mazda and Nissan). It's been used in the MPV and has been good to my knowledge (JATCO units are usually good, but they have made some duds too). The 4spd AT is Mazda's own unit. Either will let you hold or drop down a gear, up to the rev limiter, if you want to do such a thing (such as when approaching a tight turn or on a hill, or just to accelerate harder).
The whole structure of a union is to get something for nothing just because there's a large group of people. It may work well in civil disputes or revolutions, but not in a capitalistic market where competition drives out any inefficiencies. I would prefer my car built at a plant where workers are rewarded for putting in extra effort. It's the whole point of compensation packages. And unions are completely disruptive of this system. How else do you separate the lazy workers from the productive workers? Unions group them all together so they all chug along at the lowest common denominator.
Also, while I am in a field where jobs are being exported to other countries. I do not want the U.S. to have some regulations to artificially keep jobs here. It is only a temporary solution like the steel tariffs. Eventually global competion will catch up and the U.S. will be left behind and loose it's current status as the trade partner of choice for many other countries, and then things will be even worse. The reason jobs are leaving the U.S. is because of our inadequate public education system is finally catching up to us. Innovation is drying up. In order to keep this country strong, we need to keep a well educated population and keep innovation going. Otherwise the unskilled labor just goes to another place where they can do the exact same job for less. Money is not a bad thing, it's what our society uses as a tool to assign value to anything, whether it's talent, skills, or materials.
The action to take when our job is exported to another country is to learn something that's more valuable rather than to whine about other countries are taking our jobs. Of course the latter is a lot easier, we all have a hard time accepting change.
I definitely think there is a need for them to exist. Go through the labor disputes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries in the US. Read up on the working conditions that were prevalent during those times. The main reason we're not subjected to those is unions.
However, with power comes opportunity for abuse. And many union shops fall prey to this. Many do try to throttle everyone back. Many do have slackers, and cover for them. Many also keep a fairly clean house, as their leadership is enlightened enough to recognize such behavior only hurts them in the end.
I'm not familiar with how the union at AAI operates, but it can have a HUGE effect on the quality of vehicles they produce.
I usually relate the word "opportunity" with good events.
Is there a more appropriate word that can be used in this context?
I know I would have worded this phrase like this:
"With power comes responsibility"
And now, I'm going to take the opportunity to end this conversation, at least for my part.
Of course none of us would be having this discussion if it were not for NAFTA and the Globialization fiasco. I can remember Bush senior and Clinton preaching the gospel of bringing the 3rd world out of the doldrums. Well, it sure seems to going the opposite direction. Anyone who does not understand that there is a global strategy to weaken the economic prowess of the United States should look more closely.
Then again, back to the Mazda6, if it is a design defect, error in training, or a faulty process design, the odds of it being conceived by a union employee are remote. No?
Mark. : )
Let's leave the political commentary for another message board.
Thanks.
I doubt if the rust problem on the Mazda6 has anything to do with the fact that it's built in a union plant.