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Personally, I would rather buy a Japanese vehicle made in America than a domestic vehicle made in Canada or Mexico. I don't remember seeing anti-American protests in Japan, unlike the other two countries.
On an interesting note... the new Nissan Titan is more American-made than the Dodge Ram, Chevy Silverado, and GMC Sierra.
The Mazda6 based SUVs WERE going to be built in Atlanta, in the new plant that Ford had planned to build for Futura production when Nasser was still in charge.
http://wardsauto.com/ar/transportation_ford_build_two/
And the best way to do that is to buy a product that was made here... one that pays workers here... one that supports our economy.
A large manufacturing plant is a big boost to the economy and has a much larger impact than the profits earned by the parent company. Go ahead and stop buying made-in-the-USA Honda's, Toyota's, Mazda's, Hyundai's, Mercedes's, BMWs, Mitsubishi's, Nissan's, etc. They'll close their plants here and hundreds of thousands of AMERICANS will lose their jobs. Keep supporting the domestic manufacturers as they export more and more jobs out of the country. Sure, the profits come back here, so that they can open up more and more foreign plants.
The Buy American Theme is old school and played out.
Show me one car that doesn't have some foreign influence please.
Carguy I wish this was 1985...unfortunately Americans that were protesting are now sleeping, errr or dead.
Thanks.
I meant what I said. We need to get back on topic here.
It's a silver 03 6i, manual transmission, 16 inch alloys, alarm, power driver's seat, with 5700 miles and 35% tint. It still smells new inside, and it's absolutely flawless except for some rust developing in the sash cavities of all 4 doors. Let me know when you want to pick it up!
Sheeesh younger generation!...if you had offered to deliver it...I would have accepted.
I have to rest my voice now....in a few days I'll be singing...the SIX Days of Christmas...fa la la
Or maybe an RX-8 - drool!
When is the car expected on lots?
forget it.
why are even trying to accelerate the depreciation on our own return on investments?
Note: I know purchasing cars is not an investment, it is an expense.
It has nothing to do with me or what I say here. The damage is done, the word on rust is out. Anyone who reads this townhall crap has already read about the rust issue and can look up the value of my car their selves if they want to. It's no secret, so me talking about it doesn't really affect anything.
Anybody aware of any aftermarket head units available yet?
also, I heard that navigation will be available on the MZ6 this spring.
If your fuel system is leaking, it is more than likely leaking small amounts of gasoline fumes, possibly into the vehicle. It sounds like this recall came about from owners complaining of a fuel odor. Mazda will be contacting affected owners in mid-January.
If your fuel system is determined to be leaking, it is best to not drive your vehicle until the leak is fixed, which should take between 2-3 days depending on how quickly your dealership can obtain the parts. You should insist on a loaner for that time period. If your dealership refuses, call Mazda and they should take care of the problem with the dealership.
This problem with the fuel system can also trigger engine codes and active the check engine light. If you have been getting a lot of CELs even after the PCM flash recall, this could be the problem.
Dinu
I look at it this way. I get a much better variety than typical radio. I get ESPN radio that barely comes in on my AM station.
Some people argue that a cd changer is better since there is no fee. But how do you fill the changer? $9.99/month is less than one cd.
And I won't count people who create mp3 cd's from downloaded music. It's an option, but not one that I agree with.
So in the end, I get the benefit of hearing things I couldn't otherwise hear as well as save money vs. buying cd's.
Sure it might not be for everyone, but it's far from a waste of money.
Also, if Mazda EVER starts factory installs, they are a Sirius partner, not XM.
BTW: If you purchase your subscription by the year you can decrease the cost to $7 per month. I will probably buy a 1 year contract when my 3-free trial months are up.
EITHER XM or SIRIUS beats the fire out of FM.
Like the difference between color tv and black and white!
- Mark
03 6i auto w/ 15k in good cond: $13,800
03 Accord LX auto with 15k in good cond: $15,500
03 Camry LE auto with 15k in good cond: $13,200
Out of the 3 cars the Camry has the highest MSRP at $21,064 while the Accord and 6 are hovering just over the $20,000 mark.
Increase the options and the Camry XLE is worth $600 more than the 6 and nearly $3000 less than the Accord.
03 Camry XLE with leather/roof: $15,700
03 Honda Accord EX-L auto: $18,025
03 6i auto with leather, abs, side airbags, roof:
$15,200
MSRP's are as follows:
Camry XLE: $26,000
Accord EX-L: $24,700
Mazda 6i with options: $24,000
So compared the to Camry the 6 is actually doing pretty well. Nothing to be ashamed of.
$16.8K to $12.8K is 25% in a year, about in line with most cars when you use wholesale values for the trade. And your retail cost includes a subsidy for the 0% financing so it's slightly inflated which makes the actual depreciation slightly less.
All cars within a given class depreciate similarily. They'll vary some, but it will be 25% vs. 27%, not 25% vs. 50%. It makes betting on depreciation one of the least important factors in choosing a car brand.
- Mark
Not sure what you're getting at here, but there were no rebates in lieu of 0% financing when I bought at the end of June. I got all possible rebates except for the recent college grad (I used that on the Protege) and the 0% financing. As far as rebates and special financing are concerned, usually it's either/or, and the dealership is less likely to negotiate off sticker, but I was fortunate enough to get $1,800 off sticker before $1,250 in rebates, AND get 0% for 60 months. This dealership was a "no haggle" dealership and had the $19,900 car marked at $18,100. I knew I qualified for $1,250 worth of rebates and the 0% on top of that, so I figured it was a fair deal and I didn't really want to haggle because I didn't think I could get that much better of a deal to make haggling worth it. If I didn't take the 0% financing, the price would have been more because I wouldn't have gotten the $250 rebate for using Mazda financing, so the 0% financing was not subsidised by the purchase price.
There have been higher rebates on the car, but you couldn't use 0% with any of them.
IOW, 0% financing has some value and to be rigorous, this value must be included in the depreciation computations.
- Mark
Are you saying if the owner had paid cash, an imputed interest rate should be added to the sale price, since the buyer lost the time value of the money?
Sorry, such complex accounting will never satisfy most people, who only want to know how fast a car depreciates...
Alternatively, if you were planning on financing the car, the 0% financing saves you the interest charges on the loan.
In either event, 0% financing is an additional discount on the price of a car.
If this doesn't make sense, then let's call it a day.
- Mark
If this doesn't make sense, then let's call it a day."
Obviously the higher the interest rate the more you pay each period. The more you pay the greater the total cost when the loan is paid off.
Two identical cars in terms of options, and mileage will fetch the same price in any given area. So the car that was financed with the least amount of money will obviously net the owner a bigger chunk of money. However, the rate at which both cars depreciate is the same.
The lost economic opportunity of some of these transactions, which some people would liken to your kids college education expense just isn't there. Obviously 0% financing on the loan is the way to go, preferable than paying cash, barring that I'd take 1%, barring that I'd take 2%..etc.