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I would stack the 6 near the 94-97 Honda Accord in terms of volume of interior room which isn't bad.
I don't agree. There are plenty of young people with children who do just fine -- aesthetics aside -- with Chevy Cavaliers, Ford Foci, Dodge Neons, Honda Civics, etc. The 6 would be a step up in size and I think it would be fine. And mine is sure as heck more fun than a Camcord.
I believe traction control will be quite useful to me as I often find my wheels spinning when starting off on wet surface or in snow.
However I learned that some traction controls cut off the gas too easily (other than braking the spinning wheel) and thus make the vehicle not quite moving at all.
Can someone who has the traction control on the Mazda6 tell me how well it works ? Thanks !
Automobile's mantra is "No Boring Cars", so it's no surprise they chose the 6 for their favorite family sedan. Amen to that! It's gratifying to see that the car publications (Automobile, Edmunds etc.) with Long-Term 6's still like the car after months of ownership; familiarity obviously did not breed contempt here. Even with the rust issue, there is no car in its category I'd rather have (actually, no other car in its category interests me at all). My 6 has been trouble-free and a joy to own.
CL
Anyone know when dealers are supposed to get them/when the official launch date is?
thanks!
Definitely get the 6s with AT for yourself. The AT will help you in stop-and-go traffic, and the manual mode gets you the fun. Best of both worlds. (Just look out for the "stains"...)
So far (after 4 months of zoom-zooming) ... 6000 miles without a hitch, and no stain for me. I'm a lucky guy!
At the same time though, the 4 cyl isn't that bad. Compared auto vs. auto and manual vs. manual, the A4 1.8T quattro is about equal to a 6i as far as acceleration is concerned. It might not be as smooth as the V6, but no 4 cyl is. The fact is, the 2.3L is one of the more refined I4s available.
On the positive side, my gas mileage with the 4-cylinder has been averaging around 28 mpg (60% freeway/40% city). I didn't consider the V6 because of the poor gas mileage.
My wife thought the back seats were uncomfortable compared to the Accord, but then again, she doesn't spend much time in the back seat anymore, as far as I know
Every time I think that I've dismissed the 6 and moved on to other options, I remember how good it is in most areas and I have second thoughts.
Wayde: I believe that the hatches are going into production either this month or next, with cars hitting the lots around early April. Rich can give you more information whenever he drops by.
This is the first time I have heard of anyone getting good mileage with a 6i auto. There have been several other discussions with many 6i auto owners consistently getting 20 mpg or less.
Something wrong with my car? LOL. It has already spent 28 days out of service in 6 months, and several parts have been replaced 2 or 3 times. When the fuel leak recall notice comes in (should be early next week for all 2003 owners), the car will go in for that, the rust fix (real rust on mine), a squealing torque converter, another HVAC blower fan (3rd one), the infamous brake moan (TSB and revised parts), hesitation and bucking, hard starting, noisy power steering pump (scraping), and a wobbling crankshaft pulley. The car will probably be out of service for at least 2 weeks, and when I get it back I'm heading from the dealership to a Lemon Law attorney's office. Most owners have had a wonderful time with their 6... I was the lucky one to get the lemon. However, it won't be replaced with another 6.
Could you inform us what the number and title is for that technical service bulletin? Did it take care of the problem? Thanks for the info.
Rodman
Glad to see you like your 6s AT. This is my first AT automobile. I have been very satisfied. I had the stain/rust? repaired several months ago. It has not come back. I enjoy driving it more each day.
Every new auto has some issues in the first year of a redesign. Check out the 04 Sienna board, or the 03 Accord. You could even look at the 04 Quest, and the Jetta/Passat boards.
You made the right decision. The 6 is the best vale out there today. It is even doing a decent job holding it's value. Of course it's not easy to battle the Honda Hype.
You lift off the brake as you enter the corner, the chassis responding to your inputs with the precision of a fine watch. The apex approaches. The chassis plants as you dig deeply into the power band. Suddenly you realize your in public traffic. You quickly disappear into the flow of traffic. As you look in the rear view mirror you notice your smile. You were not even aware it was there. Then you realize why you purchased the MZ6.
Mark. : )
I really think your mileage results are heavily dependent on what kind of driving you do.
Jerry seems to be getting really bad mileage, but from what it sounds like, he also spends a lot of time in really bad traffic. If you aren't going anywhere, you are getting ZERO miles to the gallon. If the traffic is that severe, sub 20 mpg results aren't that shocking.
The best fuel mileage I have experienced so far was a trip to my parents' house in Ventura. It is 410 miles round trip, and I managed to push 395 miles out of a tank. This trip was with no traffic (early weekend mornings), cruise set at 70mph, and no hills. When I filled the tank on the way home, it took 16.8 gallons. That's 23.5 mpg... better than what I normally get, but still bad. However, with a wobbling crankshaft pulley and scraping sounds coming from the alternator and power steering pumps, poor mileage is not surprising. In the Protege, I would easily make the entire trip on a single tank (13.8 gallons) with enough fuel left to get to work the next morning.
I had a 2001 Protege ES 2.0L 5sp, and my Mazda6i gets the same mileage. Obviously, I'm pretty happy about the mileage in my 6 considering the Protege's was the same, but it was lighter, less powerful, and not as fast.
BTW, how did you drive from San Diego to Ventura without encountering any hills? What about the Santa Monica mountains?
Either you don't pay attention to others' posts, or you like to whine about your car's performance. If you're not MOVING but leave your car running, you are then getting ZERO miles to the gallon all that time.
I've replied at least 3 other times myself. Once in August, which was the first time I checked my mpg mileage after I got my car, again in Oct after a road trip of hiway driving, and again in Dec of '03. And there's many other replies to your numerous complaints about your low mileage, with most of them getting anywhere from 23 to close to 30mpg on the 6i AT. And this is just 6 MONTHS worth of search results! If I searched the whole year there's probably be even MORE replies to your complaints of gas mileage. As someone else replied to one of your posts...if you're just SITTING in traffic not going anywhere, every single day, for the majority of your commute, your mileage is going to be low. Unless you turn your car off every time you come to a stop. If your car is running but you're not moving, you are still burning gas, and getting ZERO miles per gallon at that point.
Ah yes, love that Chicago traffic! I'd love to find a "driver's city" where the switchbacks are plentiful and there's no traffic on the highway. May have to move to Montana for that!
In my defense, according to your search, the first time I complained about low mileage was exactly one month ago on 12/14/03. Before that, I was paying attention to the rust/staining issue and pretty much disregarding other messages since it was hard enough keeping up with the rust/staining. There was a period (late Oct.) when I was a bit too busy watching and keeping abreast of the thousands of burning acres here, trying to make sure I wasn't going to join the hundreds of destroyed homes. You could try searching back beyond 6 months, but I wasn't a 6 owner then.
I don't expect to get 29 mpg sitting in traffic. However, I don't expect to get 18-20 mpg while sitting in traffic either. Like I've said before, in my Protege during the same exact commute, I would easily get 27-28 mpg and that would include extended periods of 1st gear and 4,000+ rpm, and near redline shifts in 1st and 2nd when I wasn't in traffic, and 80 mph cruising which yields a constant 4000 rpm because of the Protege's low gearing. I was expecting more along the lines of 23-25 mpg combined and 28-30 for just highway.
That must take you forever with that route. Before I went to CA, I always thought the PCH was a real highway instead of a dinky little two lane. Nice scenery though.
I'm looking at the Mazda 3 and will need some incentive to buy it.
On another note on the "rust" issue......... I did some of my own fixes, since I had very minimal rust from the beginning. I rubbed off all the surface stuff and then wiped down the entire window sash with alcohol (rag and q-tips). I then used touch up paint and coated all the areas there was previous rust/staining. I then went to the local auto parts store picked and up a can of clear coat, and ungraciously stole one of the Gumout straws, and proceeded to spray the clearcoat under the space between J channel and the sash. The straw performed great. If anyone has any ideas about doing this..........some advice.....keep a rag handy and cover anything you don't want overspray on. So far this has worked as NO new rust/stain has developed, and it has been about 2 months. I look continously, because if this works then it confirms to me the Mazda fix should work also.
Thanks for the replies and feedback on the 6s w/automatic gas mileage issue. I just installed a k&n air filter replacement element and it may make a small difference. I noticed a small increase in mileage and performance when I put one in my old 2000 Civic SI. Plus, my wife has been driving the 6 a lot lately and I think she has a heavier foot. I my have been spoiled by my last 2000 Honda Civic SI, which got 28-30 mpg, but it took premium gas or my wife's 2002 Protege5 at 24-26 mpg. But since I live in Detroit, the heated seats (bun warmers) are worth the difference. I would like some responses, ideas or input on how I can improve the mileage. Tomorrow(Friday) I'm going to check out the Detroit autoshow.
Thanks,
Rodman