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Honda will need to trash that designation if the proliferation in the aftermarket gets any worse.
Also, Acura is now using the "Type S" label, so that leaves "Type R" for Honda to use if it pleases.
-juice
type r: word is the RSX will come out in a type r version. A type r Honda civic and honda accord already exist in other parts of the globe - check out honda's british web site. The british type r is powered by a pumped up inline four and features some suspension and brake upgrades.
If the 6 is anything close to what mazda says it is (this has yet to be seen, but I have hope that it will at least come close - PR folks always make every model sound better than actually turn out to be) it should easily be able to compete for my money with the others in its class.
The Euro Accord is different than ours. In fact, the Civic Si we're getting in based on the Euro Civic.
-juice
Back to topic: I hope that the 6 comes in the fall and not an "indefinite date".
OK, back to the topic...
-juice
Mazda doesn't list vehicle weight on the page where I got these wheel/tire figures. Has anybody seen any info on curb weights for the various 6 models/configurations?
-juice
Late Nov 2002.
Rich
somebody has it backwards. despite being in its last year, the accord is still highly competitive (i'm not talking in terms of sales either). The accord's interior as it is right now is better than the current camry and altima. i'm actually hoping that mazda hits a homerun with the new 6. i was disappointed with the new camry and altima. i plan on getting a new car later this year and my choices right now is another jetta or 2003 accord. i know what i'll get with the jetta, but i'm waiting to see what the new models from honda and mazda bring. my concern with the new mazda is its affilation with ford. will the neccesary resources for the new mazda be forthcoming from ford? yes, this car is critical for mazda. this is the car that needs to bring home the bacon for maxda, not the smaller economy car protege. the new 6 has lots of room for improvement and it looks like it will be much improved.
But they're guilty of some cost cutting (so is Mazda for the last 626). It'll be interesting to see the content level on the new 6 vs. the new Accord.
I'm talking mouse-fur headliners, thin carpets, sun visors, gooseneck hinges for the trunk, prop-rods for the hood, stuff like that. Note that the Korean competition has started to address these issues.
-juice
BTW,from the video I saw on the new Mazda 6 at the mazdausa.com website, it looks like the new 6 will have some nice interior materials, they look better than the ones found in the new Altima. The only thing I can say that I don't like is the center console with all the metallic trim. I really like the seats though, plus the rear outboard passenger seats have adjustable headrests! Something I wish the new Altima had. How much does it really cost to have adjustable rear headrest? They can't cost much, can they?!?!?
At least the Mazda 6 is not turning into a boat.
I hope they keep the "6" around 25K nearly fully loaded. The 5-door really has my interest if I can get one with a V-6, 5-spd., and cloth seats.
~alpha
But, I am sure it will sell since they will say how much bigger it is.
However, I think the 6 will do real well too! '626' was so "80's" sounding,
according to the marketing guru's at mazda it forces the person to say the name "Mazda" when mentioning the car.
Nobody will say "I drive a 6" They will say "I drive a Mazda 6". BTW: the RX-8 will be called the Mazda 8.
Rich
I guess the question is how far will they go? If the EX-V6 does not offer all three of these, prices will be lower.
Rich: interesting story on the names.
I think the catch is people will think all Mazda 6s have a V6 engine, and the 8 will have a V8, and so on.
-juice
It depends though, some cars are remembered for their make, such as Honda Civic and Ford Mustang.
-juice
anyone, does anyone have pics of the show cars at 2002 Detroit show???
-juice
1. sedan due out march 2003
2. hatchback/wagon due out june 2003
3. priced $20-28K (leather, V6, etc.)
4. auto/manual (6 speed!) avail. in all models.
5. Millenium will eventually be phased out.
I too think the 6 will be out sooner than 2003. Perhaps they want to be on the safe side for a release date vs. not making the given date. Sell all the 626s first too?! The blue sedan w/ leather interior at the show was sweet. I loved the feel of the tight 6 speed tranny too!
I did take lots-o-photos and will try to post them soon! Stay tuned.
Were you able to get in the car?
-juice
Like any new car intro, delays are always possible.
I ordered 2002 MPV on Monday. Current schedule for northeast. Brochures and national advertsing start on 2/11 and vehicles arrive for late Feb.
I ended up asking two different reps the same questions to make sure they were accurate, which they were. Hoping for this fall too.
3-5-6-8 whom do we appreciate? Mazda! Mazda! Yeah!!!!
Mazda's right: that sounds much better than "Protege-Miata-626-Rx8 ..." ;-)
edit: I just thought of a good reason they shouldn't offer a 6-speed. Then it would be 6 6 6 , vehicle of the beast.
We're gonna get our 6 no matter when it's released to the public. More likely the hatchback or wagon (if it's coming) with 5 speed auto (tiptronic I hope) 6 cylinder 6, so that's 5 6 6 :-)
Looks much better. Looks like a winner.
But it also has too-light steering, and some serious torque steer. We'll see how Mazda tunes theirs, but hopefully the steering will have more feedback, and the torque steer can't possibly be as bad.
The Altima is pretty sporty, too, with 17" wheels and V-rated tires standard on the 5 speed, so Mazda has its work cut out for it.
-juice
How can competitors find a decent slice of the family sedan market? Hard to win market share by outcompeting Toyota and Honda on cost; that market is being taken over by the Koreans. That leaves both Nissan and Mazda looking for customers by focussing on the sporty, zoom-zoom side of the family sedan market. If the 6 lives up to expectations, Nissan will have to refine the Altima to keep it competitive and attractive to buyers who actually enjoy driving.
If Mazda and Nissan go at each other that way, and if the yen stays weak against the dollar, it's gonna be fun trying to pick a car.
Koreans have taken over the value end. Subaru has the wagon/AWD niche. Mitsubishi may be in some sort of identity crisis, because IMO they share too much with Chrylser.
-juice