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It will be great when Mazda finally stuffs the 2.3 in the new Protege for 04. It will answer alot of peoples' complaints about a lack of power.
- Mark
...and then it was sold.
Racin...my email is on my profile if you want to contact me. Edmunds frowns if they think I'm prospecting on their site. lol.
I'm just curious, when did you find out about this plan?
As to the entertainment aspect of adults complaining about options (or the lack of choices), it was about on par with watching the sales manager of a large (?) dealership stomping off because everyone was picking on him
No hard feelings, of course!
BTW, I love the car.
In this market of only Japanese made Mazdas, they sell 323's (compact), 626's (midsize, now replaced by the 6) and the dealer's brother works in my building and drives an even larger 929. Can someone tell me the equivalents in the US market? There are lots of 323's running around here. Would that be the Protege?
As to the entertainment aspect of adults complaining about options (or the lack of choices), it was about on par with watching the sales manager of a large (?) dealership stomping off because everyone was picking on him
No hard feelings, of course!
and soon, Protege will be replaced by the Mazda3 :-)
The 929 used to be made here, but it died back in 1994 or 95. We had the Millenia though (the 6 replaces this), I don't know if it's the same as your 929 though.
We had the 626 as well, it's been replaced by the 6 though.
626: in your market was (I think) the Capela (never sold in the US )in other markets and a much better car (IMO) than the 93< NA 626
929: discontinued in NA with the introduction of the Millenia (now defunct as well). Obviously, the 929 is still sold in other markets.
Edit: Sorry for duplicate info.
and quite frankly I didnt say anything because people on this thread are generally rude and didnt want to hear the facts...they just wanted to whine and declare the car a flop...
Don't worry I wont be around here much, just wanted to clear up a few incorrect posts on here....We have a hard enough job in the car biz without know-it-all's who don't know much spreading their version of the facts. hahaha
Glad to see everyone is as friendly as ever. lol
Whatever it's called, you all know what I mean. What is the code then?
And thanks ahead of time.
Although I (personally) consider withholding information a different class of offense from merely raising loud opinions and complaints about choices available to consumers.
But then again, its not as if Richard is here under the sole premise to be our source of info, eh? Nor did he ever claim or promise to be just that. Part of it has to do with keeping a finger on the pulse of the more informed (assuming 'internet savvy' -> 'more informed') car buyer - ie: one's own bottom line. Absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, either.
All in all, a rather informative and eye-opening look (for the less business- and market-oriented among us) at the complex logistics and planning that go into the release of a new car. In the end, everyone wins!
OK, enough about this, I guess - do tell us how soon more sensibly configured Mazda 6's will start being produced and shipped. Have either of your dealerships placed orders for a configuration not yet available through the web tool at mazdausa (but allowed by the updated build specs specified in the mazda email some of us have received)? ETA?
And to the rest of you, I think you need to realize that Rich has always been very helpful and courteous to the Town Hall community. We had a bad misunderstanding a few weeks ago. We ALL need to let it go.
I am calling an end to the bickering that's going on here. Enough is enough. We all should be able to compose a message that does not include insults of any sort.
Let's get back to the enthusiastic conversation we were having before the ugliness of a few weeks ago. All of you should be patting yourselves on the back for raising your voices to Mazda USA and making yourselves heard.
I think that in and of itself is outstanding! :-)
And as I said, they must stop. None of us are free to attack another Town Hall member, no matter what the provocation. If you feel that a posted message attacks you, or is in anyway in violation of the Membership Agreement, your recourse is to notify the board host. You may NOT turn around and attack the person, or otherwise fail to keep your own commitment to the MA.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me. We are done with this subject here.
None of the rest of it was specifically directed at anyone (especially not you)! Just expressed that I could appreciate Mazda's corporate/business reasoning and logic behind why they managed things the way they did, nothing more.
If Dale were here, she'd institute a group hug. I'm just going to wish everyone a great weekend!
Sorry if I stepped on any toes, never my intention!
Ashu, I agree -- happy weekend to all. (and to all a good night?)
You are about a month early Pat. :-)
We all drive Mazdas...
We all drive Proteges and MPV's,
and also P5's.
We are so excited
About the brand-new 6,
That we're forgetting
We are just one
Big family.
(((((((())))))))
--Dale
As for design, Mazda probably settled on a contemporary shape closely resembling the Audi A4 roofline, a car that is very popular in EU. The roofline also resembles the Millennia and the Lincoln LS, especially the C-pillars.
What should a 21st Century car look like? Did you expect something radically different, i.e. Cadillac CTS maybe? I doubt the CTS will be remembered 50 years from now as THE car of the new millennium. Neither will the 2002 Camry and the 2003 Accord. The latter looks like it was carved from a loaf of bread with a letterslot grille inserted. LOL!
I go much farther back than you guys, way back to the 1930's, when cars were just transportation and anybody who owned one was considered very fortunate. People didn't quibble over whether it was a good design or the logo was ugly.
The blue oval and bowtie came about because there were no professional designers then and they were simply shapes with a name (in script for Ford) or Chevrolet in standard type. Most real logos were sculptures mounted on the hoods as radiator caps: birds, flying ladies, and animals. Packard, LaSall, and Dodge come to mind. We still have Jaguar's "Leaper" and Rolls' "Flying Lady".
Car designs come and go, people love some and hate others, probably for good reasons. Why should a "sport Sedan" look any different than the same car sold as a family sedan, with the exception of special paint and a few options? Should a sport sedan be a special body-type, a four-door sports car you have to get on your knees to crawl out of?
You talk about driving a car 100,000 miles. I never drove one car that far, but I have driven the cars I have owned a combined 820,000 miles with only one accident - I was rearended.
For my tastes, I wish the Mazda6 had been made a little larger, had more legroom in the back, comfortable seats, and no tacky, immitation metal trim on the dash. It isn't even a good immitation! But one can always change it to something else with aftermarket kits. It's having to do it that gripes me. It should be an option and one of two finishes. And I would like blue tint on the top edge of the windshield.
Here's another question on design: If luxury cars have burled walnut and Brazilian rosewood trim, shouldn't utilitarian SUV's have knotty pine?
fowler3
Then what made you think I was talking to you? :-)
Must be some strange flashback.
Mark, ; )
Dale: I never knew you were also a composer.
Mark: You're scarying me: you're turning into Dale. Not that we don't like Dale, but 2 officers from the Hug Police is too much. Seek your own niche Mark!
Cheers!
Dinu
The Mazda6 will tell us if Mazda is getting closer to the quality Honda USE to have. It isn't a true mid-size, what should we call it -- Compact Midsize?
fowler3
fowler3: I actually like the current 02 Accord (what a smooth 5 spd!!!), but the new 03 one is nasty - not to use ugly again.
Dinu
Still say it looks like a smaller Millenia though .. and considering the Millenia is a 8 year old design and Millenia's didn't exactly fly off the lot I'm not sure that's a good thing.