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Craig
It's not hard, I've done that on both my Forester and my Miata. It's just like a cable brake on a bicycle if you're familiar with those.
Proceed at your own risk, of course.
Lloyd: isn't the 1995 the same bodystyle as the 1996-1999 models? Did just the mirror itself change?
Idea - you could call your dealer and ask for part numbers for those model years and see if they match. I thought they were the same.
-juice
I have tried to sort out the mirror thing with dealer parts people: no luck so far -- apparently the MIRROR design itself (at least the mount) was changed on all the USA OB models -- why, who knows, maybe "active" drivers were knocking the folding model back in the wilderness? LOL.
Then some of the other 1995-1999 Legacy models also have either manual, power solid mount, or power folding (with or without HEAT) mirrors -- a true potpourri.
I have p# for the solid mounts, but not the OEM folding 1995-1999 power model -- whatever it was fitted to. Quite confusing.
Anyone else have an idea or know something about changing these mirrors?
Overall things were okay, but the aluminum was 2.5 times normal and the silicon was 40% high. Also, there's gas in the oil - its up to 0.8%. Blackstone's max is 2%. It does idle for a while warming up in the morning, but on a tank that lasts 300 miles, she'll probably get in 120 miles of highway driving.
Blackstone indicates that these may be normal in an engine running synthetic due to a longer slower break-in period. That seems counter-intuitive, but I'm no expert.
I've been following the information on the 2.5L engines posted here regarding sounds. What I'm hearing with this car (03 OBW) is a relatively quiet idle, even when first started with an an outside temperature of below 10 deg.
What it does do however, is rap like a son-of-a-gun when the engine is placed under load. It's done this pretty much since new, but now appears to be taking longer and longer to quiet down. I'm wondering if this is accounting for the extra aluminum?
So here's the question for all you long term 2.5L owners - is this normal?
It sounds like the piston slap should be noticeable at idle, as should the lifters clacking.
Anyone got any ideas?
TIA
Larry
Larry
Any ideas as to why this might be occurring? Is the battery starting to wear down? The car was purcahsed in Dec '01.
Thanks
It is annoying, and I think you should not pay $20K+ for a car and have piston slap. Fortunately it appears to be reasonably harmless. Still, I would try to get it fixed.
You can get a spray sealant for the battery terminal, the stuff is red and sort of coats the area. My brother-in-law used some on my new battery when I replaced the OE one, FWIW.
-juice
senturi
No air = no corrosion.
Phil
-juice
Alan
98 OBW Ltd
There was definnent were on both of the pistons .
Looked like somebody took 20 grit sand paper and rubbed the side of the pistons were the wrist pins are . The service tech said that the cylinder walls looked ok due to the fact that they have iron inserts . They still had the hone marks on them .Every thing else looked good.The tech said that the new piston is more barrel shaped then the old ones . They pistons were replaced at the wrist pin so they didn't have to do anything to the crank shaft or the barrings.
I should get it back soon and I let ya know how it sounds .
The tech also said that he has heard of no complaints with the piston replacement . He has heard of the slap coming back when the short block is replaced .
Mike k
-juice
Patti
Patti
Unofficially, if I hear of something for you, I'll try to direct someone to contact you via these boards. I know that sounds cryptic, but, it's the best I can do right now?
Sorry -
Patti
Few Subies there. I know. ;-)
Actually, there is one place that specializes in buying wrecked Subies, check it out:
http://www.fsautoparts.com/
E-mail them, they may know which mirrors are interchangeable.
-juice
What part number did they use for your new pistons? just curious if we got the same? did they do a timing belt for you too?
I had pistons 2 and 4 replaced 2 weeks ago or was it 3? Gas milage has been better, piston noise is less but its also warmer temps outside.
--jay
Is $1300 reasonable for a dealership to fix the head gasket? how many of you with this car and engine ('97 2.5L) have had this problem? I think we should write a letter to subaru
The dealer replaced two pistons and that seems to have solved the problem. No more "rapping".
My gas mileage has not improved, and may have been reduced. I'm getting 19 MPG in suburban driving, 25 on the highway with my 2003 Legacy wagon 4eat.
The Legacy I traded in (2000 Legacy Sedan 5 spd) performed much better with 22 MPG in town and 31 MPG on the highway. The EPA rated the Auto trans equipped Legacy higher than the 5 speed manual version, but my experience shows the opposite.
Jim
I do think your engine is still green, give it a few thousand miles to break in.
-juice
-juice
An intermittent noise that seems to be getting worse on my '02 LL Bean: When reversing (especially when car is cold, but sometimes when warm) I get a vibrating (sounds like a brake dust or a heat shield vibrating). Coming from right front, but only in reverse. They just replaced front pads at 22k, and sound didn't go away. No other problems. Any ideas???
Thanks,
Matt
Craig
http://www.nordictug.com/downloads/TrojanBC.pdf
Jim
Good question - it only makes the sound when moving backwards. Comes from right front and seems to change in frequency as engine rpms and speed increase (may also be affected by turning the wheel, as is often the case when backing out of a space). I'll have to do some testing to see what the sound is for rpm, turning, and moving straight back indpendent of each other and report back.
thanks,
Matt
Thanks.
senturi
1 pistonset os 0.06a part # 12006ac910
1 pistonset os 0.06b part # 12006ac920
1 ring set part # 12033ab010
1 eng gasket set part # 10104aa040
1 o-ring part # 806917070
1 sealing oil pan part # 11122aa000
1 o-ring part # 10991aa000
1 oil seal part # 806733030
1 gskt cylinder head part # 11044aa521
1 oil filter
1 oil filter gasket
They preformed a cylinder leak down test on all 4 cylinders and also a cylinder balance test.
I have to do a major cleaning of the engine area this weekend . That way I can keep a eye out for leaks . It is mighty dirty and there is some residual oil/antifreeze/trany fluid around from the service .I don't know about better fuel economy since I only picked the car up today ,but I'll keep tabs on it.
Mike k
Grasping at straws here as well...
Cheers!
Paul
Jim
I really appreciate the mail platform and any responses....best regards.......Irish 1.
You should get many happy miles in your Subaru. The folks here are very helpful if you have questions.
Congratulations on your purchase. It's nice to have you with us!
Patti
My step-daughter also drives a 1996 Impreza, one which my wife bought new a few days after I purchased mine. Her car has over 152k miles with a similar track record.
I have an opportunity to buy a 1999 2.5 Legacy SUS with about 50k miles on it. I know the car well, it is owned by someone I work with. It has been maintained well, and is in excellent condition. I thought it was a "no brainer" purchase, until I started looking around the internet.
What is all this talk of head gaskets, over heating, & blocks being replaced? I was shocked when I started reading about all the complaints. Should I count on spending approximately $1000 to $3000 on a repair in the next 50k miles if I purchase this car? Also, there seems to be an "old style" & "new style" engine block, & the change came about during the 1999 model year? Should I be looking to see if this car has the newer style block?
I was really excited about this car. We have a 2000 Nissan Sentra which we would like to sell, & replace with this Subaru - the Nissan, in my opinion, can't compare with the quality of a Subaru (even though they own a big part of them). But I'm comparing it to the trouble free performance of our 2.2 Imprezas, & I'm worried that the 2.5 engine might be a problem. Can anyone elaborate?
What is all this talk of head gaskets, over heating, & blocks being replaced? I was shocked when I started reading about all the complaints. Should I count on spending approximately $1000 to $3000 on a repair in the next 50k miles if I purchase this car? Also, there seems to be an "old style" & "new style" engine block, & the change came about during the 1999 model year? Should I be looking to see if this car has the newer style block?
Try to remember that this is a "problems and solutions" board -- people will post when they have a problem. The postings about head gasket problems are informative and the issue should be a consideration in your buying decision, but bear in mind that the vast majority of Subaru owners haven't had HG problems and will never have HG problems.
Regarding "old" and "new" style of 2.5 engines, you probably mean the DOHC "Phase I" vs. the SOHC "Phase II," and, yes, the change was sometime in 1999. More veteran and knowledgeable Subaruphiles than I will have to shed light on exactly when on which models the change came. Check the paperwork on the one you are looking at to see if it is the DOHC or SOHC.
The Phase I head gasket problem is one of an internal leak -- coolant leaking into the engine and mixing with the oil. Warped heads is one result, and (help me here more technically savvy ones) possible accelerated internal engine wear.
The Phase II head gasket problem is one of an external leak -- coolant leaking to the outside of the engine, usually in very small amounts, but it smokes (the coolant hitting the manifold and/or exhaust pipes) and smells. This is less serious and catastrophic than an internal leak. As long as you are adding new coolant faster than it is seeping out, no real damage is done. I have not heard of any catastrophic failure on a Phase II where the gasket totally blew allowing so much coolant out so fast that there was no longer enough to do the job. I have heard of cases where the owner never put more coolant in and after slowly leaking out over a long period of time, there was no longer enough coolant left to do its job.
The Phase II external leak is the one that Subaru has recently addressed with the coolant conditioner fix and extended warranty coverage. I have a 2000 OBW and had the fix done last month.
If the '99 SUS you are looking at is a Phase I, don't automatically scrub it from your list. I'm looking for a '95 - '99 Legacy/OB/SUS sedan for my son (and as a winter weather backup vehicle for my wife's '98 Toyota Sienna, which is not good at getting up our hilly street when it ices over), and have not ruled out the 2.5 Phase I (although I would probably prefer a 2.2). Have this one checked out by a good mechanic and/or do an oil analysis to see if there is any leakage already occurring.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck!
--K9Leader
Irish1: congrats. The H6 engine is, IMHO, Subaru's most reliable engine. Take good care of it and stick with us, I think you'll get those 10 years easily. Nobody's perfect, but Subaru is pretty good and we have Patti's support in case it's not.
Kevin: we have 5 Subies in our family, that's 10 head gaskets, none have ever leaked. I agree with K9Leader, people come here to seek help for a problem, so we see a disproportionate amount of them, naturally.
The EJ22 in your two Imprezas was quite good, gasket problems were less common. The EJ255 is from the same block, but the extra displacement does put more stress on it, and it has had more problems than the 2.2l versions.
On the other hand, the H6 has been nearly bullet proof, so look for a good used LL Bean. Even the 2.5l H4 from 2000 and later now carries an 8 year 100k mile warranty on those gaskets if you use a conditioner Subaru will provide.
Piston/block replacement is rare, I've only seen a handful of those since I joined Edmunds in 1999. You're just as likely to win the Lotto.
-juice
They were also nice enough to replace the timing belt when doing mine.
So far mine still clanks a little(much less), but I think its better. It just hasn't been nearly as cold since it was fixed so its harder to tell.
--jay
There are the other Subaru internet forums; but on those too I think you might have the "squeaky hinge" syndrome. People who might not frequent internet forums, or who usually just cruise & read, might join & post when they've been hit with a large, unexpected repair bill.
However, to represent the flip side: MSN.com, while rating the 1999 Legacy "5 out of 5 stars" for overall reliability, rates the engines of the 97, 98, & 99 with a "Significant Problems 'Red X'". The reason given for each year is various "Occasional Problems", but the HG issue is listed on each one. For 2000 & 2001, the overall 5 star rating is the same; the engines are rated with the "Moderate Problems 'Yellow Exclamation Point'", listing the only issue as the Air/Fuel Ratio Sensor.
Juice, also thanks to you. Of those 5 Subarus, how many are 2.5s, what models & what years, if I might ask? Are they high mileage?
I think this is a Phase1 engine, but I'll double check to be sure. Please understand: my wife & I really WANT this car. We had figured on waiting another 2 years or so before buying another vehicle - our home needs some work, my step-daughter's college tuition, etc. have limited our funds. But then this car came along, which I've known since the day it was purchased. It's the completely decked-out SUS (is that an Anniversary Edition?) with 50k miles. The tires are new (& he put on OEM Michelins), & it has new brakes. It's really in nice shape, & I assumed that these cars had the same reliability & reputation as our Imprezas. I was totally shocked to read otherwise.
(Juice - the $$ is another reason we want this car, & really don't want to go the extra distance on a newer H6 yet.)
Let me add another question to all: would someone who purchases a 1999 Phase1 2.5 with the original head gaskets be wise or foolish to simply have them replaced before there are any signs of failure?
Kevin
Mike k
I have a 99 Legacy GT LTD sedan with a 2.5 dohc engine, purchased new. Manufactured 7/98, so I think it is Phase 1. It has 98k. This is my third Subaru. I drive it to work 90 miles a day.
Repairs for the past 5 years are nominal. Tires @ 38k - Bridgestones - enough said here. Brakes @ 80k. Ignition Wires @ 90k. Purchased the 100k warrantee which covered the speedometer @38k, transmission gasket @80k and power antenna motor @95k. Broke even on the cost here.
It runs great, and feels almost as good as the day I bought it! I expect the same over the next year until I am ready to by a new GT.
I had a 96 Outback with the 2.5 purchased new. Traded for an 03 Outback last year at 85k. Repairs. Rotors @20, 44, 60k. Tires @ 60k. Alternator @ 62k (later reimbursed by SOA). No reason - just wanted a new car.
Unless something totally unexpected occurs, you should not expect any major expenses. Your best bet, have it checked out by a certified mechanic. Unsolicited advice, don't touch the gaskets until necessary.
* '98 Forester, 60k miles (my baby)
* '99 Outback, recently traded for a minivan (3 kids) with 40k miles or so
* '01 Outback Limited, low miles
* '02 Legacy L, my wife's car, 20k miles
* '03 Forester X, sister's car, new
Obviously we wouldn't be repeat buyers if I wasn't confident in Subaru. Not only that, I think they're the only manufacturer here with official presence, and Patti is just great.
For the record, my '98 Forester is TOO RELIABLE, curse you Subaru, for I have no excuse to trade it in for my beloved XT turbo model, argh! LOL
I have:
* original brake rotors
* original brake pads, even
* both original gaskets
* zero out-of-pocket expenses outside of maintenance
* 25 mpg lifetime average
Heck, I still have the original spark plugs in there, though I'm about to change them at 60k. Even the timing belt only gets changed at 105k.
Maybe if I could get something to fail the wife would let me get that XT. Any ideas for a hard-to-trace sabotage? ;-)
I got 28k miles out of the tires, but all 4 other Subies are still on the originals.
-juice
Internal failed head gaskets rarely rupture all at once; they typically start leaking small amounts and give off symptoms to the observant person:
1. Mixture of oil in the coolant or vice versa.
2. Decrease in the coolant level and subsequent increase in oil level, or vice versa.
3. White smoke out of the exhaust (burning coolant).
4. Temperature gauge spikes (last symptom before major gasket failure).
Basically, just watch the fluids for anything unusual. If the temperature gauge ever spikes near the red, pull over and turn off the engine. Simple engine tests will verify if a gasket has or has not failed.
Greg
The model with the touchy intake was the 1999 Forester and Impreza. Those were the first year Phase II models. Outback kept the phase I until 2000, so it and the Legacy never had that issue.
If you messed with the intake at all, any mods like a cold air intake or those S-AFC computers, it would blow up your MAF and cost you $370.
So their data is off, it was 1999.
-juice
Greg