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Mirror that. Either extend the warranty through saab, or trade it. Isn't it worth it to not worry?
If you buy a BMW you drive a BMW when it is in the shop.
Use your own judgement before you buy or lease one.
And the lease return, They give you a book and make you go through every nik and dent plus there the $350 recovery fee. Also they had a check to that asked me if took got all the recalls fixed. Good way to make to leasees fix your car while they are making payments. Love the customer service.
As I was returing the car, I asked dealership if they are going to buy the car from SAAB. The dealership said they are not interested because they have a very bad resale and SAAB ends up picking them up autioning them off.
Now I have ALL my Saabs in a Saab-only dealer. The service guys over there have better skills and knowledge about my Saabs. They are very professional too.
Agree. My dealer once had a service writer who, upon hearing the symptoms of an easily fixable problem, would sometimes fix it himself out in the parking lot, charging me only for parts. The mixed brand places tend to make a big deal out of everything. If GM plans to cohabit Saab and Caddy -- as I've sometimes read on the 'Net -- they have some customer relations training to do, I think.
If so how do you fix it?
Regards,
Sunny
The SCNA & SCUSA have put together a truly excelent 2007 Saab Festival Travel Program for U.S. Residents to get to the Saab Festival.
Please take a look at this link for more details http://www.saabhistory.com/2007/03/06/saab-festival-travel-program-scna-saab-usa- - /
Select info button and toggle with up arrow until you see speed warning 55* - change by clearing.
Good luck.
Regarding depreciation,first off when a manufacturer only sells 40,000 cars a year,all models incl., you are not even accounting for 1/2 of 1% of the sales per yr. in the U.S.This low demand in the new car market leads to a concomitant low demand in the pre-owned market and is a large reason for Saabs low re-sale values.It also is one of the reasons the smart shopper leases the car ...unless they plan on driving the car until the wheels fall off.I rarely appraise a Saab 9-5 with less than 70,000 miles on it and regularly look at 9000's in the 150k.range.Your biggest mistake was purchasing a car you apparently only planned on keeping for 3 years. Leasing is a very simple way to take the fact that ALL cars lose the most value in their first 3 years of ownership and turn it around in your favor.
Secondly, low new unit sales when has nothing to do with resale. Nothing at all. New Porsche 911 sales are very low yet the car has perhaps the highest resale value in North America. Saabs low resale value is caused by many things (e.g., sales are localized in the Northeast, poor reputation, marginal dealer body, etc. etc.) but not low sales. Saab supposedly has a low resale value but I think this is because it is measured incorrectly. Saab historically has huge factory discounts/lease deals. Much more than the competition. If you compute Saab resale as a percentage of actual transaction price, not MSRP it may not be all that bad.
Finally, I've made many mistakes in life, but certainly one of them was not "... was purchasing a car you apparently only planned on keeping for 3 years." I've never purchased/leased/borrowed a Saab. Period.
I unfortunately combined my reply to the original poster and you into one message....didn't mean to confuse you on purpose.
I'm considering leasing a 2007 9-3 2.0T sedan and would appreciate input from any Saab owners. Previously I've had a C class Mercedes. I'm looking for a good solid reliable car but lower payments than Mercedes. I don't know anyone who currently has a Saab but have spoken with a few people who had Saabs years ago and loved them. What I'm reading on the web & various forums though is that there currently are a lot of issues with Saab in terms of quality control and Saabs needing a lot of repairs. Even though they will be covered by the warranty it is an inconvenience and I know nothing about the quality of service provided by the only Saab dealer nearby. Mercedes also had a lot of quality control problem but my dealer was sensational so it was not a real problem. Do all new cards have such quality problems these days (except Honda) or is this unusual. Also, the Saab I'm considering leasing is a demo with 2500 miles. Do you think the demo (versus a new Saab) is the wrong way to go? It is only a 27 mo least so it will be covered by the warranty and eligble for the free maintenance. Payments are about $50/mo lower than for a new comperable Saab. Any timely input would be greatly appreciated. I need to grab this demo if I decide to go this route.
Thanks
In fact, the limited (MY99-02) 9-3 Viggen's engine is nearly 12 percent more efficient at producing horsepower per liter of engine displacement than the 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera. More importantly, the Viggen is a full 52 percent more efficient at producing lb.-ft. of torque per liter of engine displacement.
No other competitors come close in performance (not even a BMW can keep up with a Saab on the open highway) Although many Saab owners are conservative in nature, those who are more adventurous fall in love with their Saab's performance when it comes to overtaking or passing ability. The pure and smooth acceleration of the turbo rush is a marvel to be discovered for any car enthusiast.
Saab cars are also extremely safe and undoubtedly one of the safest cars on the road that money can buy. Winning the Top Safety Pick - Gold Award from American IIHS for the past 3 years.
As for reliability, just last December a salesman from Wisconsin retired his million mile 1989 Saab 900 SPG to a museum. Saab Cars USA quickly followed with a campaign to give a free new Saab to any U.S. customer who covers the distance of one million miles (or more) in a Saab that he or she originally purchased new.
Drive a Million Mile, Get a FREE Saab
If you have never owned a Saab you have never experienced the fun and joy of driving a high performance vehicle. Don't take my word for it, schedule a test flight at your local dealer then come back and post your experience on this forum.
A very happy and satisfied owner of '02 Saab 93 SE Convertible and '02 Saab 95
PS. Saaber is a Saab enthusiast or owner
I'm sorry, but "high performance sports car" reserved for porsches, (newer) vettes, ferarris, m3's, etc. Those owners aren't missing out by not having driven 9-3's.
For some time i had both a bmw and a saab, both had almost exactly the same hp/torque ratings. The bmw out-accelerated the saab in 80% of situations, and outhandled it in as near to 100% of them as i can figure. One time when i had been driving the bmw for a few months, i drove the saab down a windy road i drove a lot. I slowed down by about 20% from my usual speed and nearly ended up in the weeds on the first turn. I had not remembered how badly the car understeered.
I know you're enamored with highway passing, but "no competitor comes close" doesn't even apply in that area. Any car saab puts out is going to get roasted by a 335i, g37, c350 in passing tests.
Agree on safety, but one million-mile car does not reliability make. That demonstrates longevity.
I don't think any four-door sport sedan out there can outperformed or outhandled a Saab. "No competitor comes close" ... might be an overstatement, but those that are in the same league as Saab are few and rare.
Take a look at the Saab Performance Team
http://www2.saabusa.com/performancedriveteam/default.asp
And Saab Aero Performance Series
http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/aeroperformance/index.jsp
Don't take mine or anyone word of how good or bad a Saab is.
I encourage you to do the research, take a test flight, see the Saab Performance Team if you have a chance and see for yourself what a born from Jets vehicle really is.
Also go to You Tube and search for Saab
You'll find a great archive of videos with Saab outperforming Ferraris, and even video of Saab outruns motorcycle
Have fun and enjoy your test flight!
*rolls eyes*
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10384/2005-saab-9-3-aero.html
In any case, i was responding to the claim that the 9-3 will blow away any 4-door car in performance... While i think as a package saabs are pretty good values, the idea they're going to torch any other 4-door car is weird.
According to Top Gear BBC's reivew of Saab.
"Don't mind BMW or Mercedes, Saab Aero does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo."
Everyday driving condition is not how fast you can accelerate from 0-60mph. The heart, glory and joy of Saab is power and performance in everyday driving 40-70mph, 50-75mph etc. This is where Saab does it better than any cars, even better than Porsche 911 Turbo (that means BMW and Mercedes stand no chance against Saab in highway passing situation)
For the car enthusiasts the sheer overtaking power of Saab is truely special.
Why Saab a BBC's Review
Watch the last minute of the video!
Here's the top gear power board with the 9-5 test:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Laps
note that many of these tests were on a wet track, some even "very wet" or icy. But the 9-5 was o na bone-dry track.
You've also got your sole fact for the car wrong. It's not faster than a 911 turbo 40-70, it's faster when doing the pull *in second gear* . A 911turbo ( as well as a 3 series ) need a 2-3 shift ~60mph, so you can't even do a 40-70 test in second. But in an automatic or if you shift, that won't be the result.
But lest you think i'm just trashing, saab is on my "next car" list. I think it's comfy, safe, has some nice features, and is priced well.
Most of the video is about Saab is a car and jet is a jet. A car can never outperforms a jet...well that's a surprise. He is not trashing the car by making Saab vs Jet comparisons. No matter how you explain/twist it, Saab does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo period. If Saab can do this kind of pull in second gear, look like a Porsche or Corvette has a lot of catch up to do once a Saab is shifted into its 3rd or 4th gear
The most impressive fact? Saab gives you this kind of performance with a 4 cylinder engine, front-wheel drive in a sedan form.
As for the Power Laps tests they clearly state their results as...
"These lap times do not offer entirely reliable comparisons between the cars - the conditions are far from controlled."
Again the heart and soul of Saab is not 0-60mph tests or racetrack time. This is not practical real-life driving performance or situation.
Cars are driven by people not racetrack driver. Hop on the freeway, and if the situation is truely necessary, Saab can overtake any cars, even Porsche or BMW, surely and safely.
Just make sure it's the genuine gm/saab warranty in any case.
I wonder, because your numbers sound weird. Another 4 years and 60K miles would make it a 8 year 110K mile warranty total, and i don't think GM has a plan like that.
http://www.gmprotectionplan.com/coverage_choice.html
Somewhere else on these forums, i saw a link for dealer who sells GM extended warranties very cheaply. Ask around. Make sure to ask about the deductable, too.
just not sure we should do the 2003- perhaps wait for a 2004 9-3 or 9-5 with low miles to come down the road...with all the electrical discussions not sure if it is a good money choice...
Also, i think the 9-5 isn't a bad idea. Aside from handling, i think it's a preferable to the 9-3, and it's well sorted out by this point.
Good car overall, you'll like it.
2004 9-3 Arc, 34,600 titan grey, $18,900 with CPO
2004 9-3 Linear, 32,000, white, no sunroof, $15,900 with CPO
Everyone's comments last time around were really helpful...thoughts? Both are priced a couple thousand less thant Edmund's TMV.