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Yes I am pretty sure you are right.. it's Radiant.
Maybe I should have got the 3.5SE with Prem package.. hmm..sounds about the same.. oh well.. still love it!
Do anyone know for a fact & not deducing/guessing from the specification link on the site that:
1) The $2700 Leather package is actually orderable & not a mistake.
2) If the $2700 includes sunroof?
3) If the $2700 includes rear passenger air vent?
4) If the $2700 includes the fog lights?
5) If the $2700 includes the 6 CD stereo system?
I took a 3.2 SE w/ manual 6 out today on the highway and on a real full acceleration from 0 through first and second gears, the two front times was doing a left-right-left-right-... number on me at a frequency of a few flip-flops per second overpowering any attempt to hold it down with the steering wheel. Not very scary but unpleasant. Same experience.
Rolling along quietly on lower gears at 2000 RPM or so & low speed on flat road, there is a noticeable if looking for it, rumbling noise/feedback as if the wheel is bent or the rear tire(s)are a 'square' tire. Anyone notice that?
This is NOT bad mouthing thsi G3 Altima. I will end up buying one but I was wishing it is more exciting. I had a 2003 2.5SL and I remembered the exciting styling made me feel I must have the car. I did. This round, I have to continue to talk myself to see the light and why this is still the better choice. This car is just not 'sexy'. Anyway, I also try a 2.5 today. The engine sound on the 2.5 w/ CVT I took out today was distinctively louder and harsher when you push the car on medium accelerate(although it will purr quietly the same when cruising on light throttle). This rigid chassis clearly make you feel the car is more an extension of yourself and gives more feel than the spongy & undefined feel of the previous Altima when you twist and turn it. However, neither the 2.5 or 3.5 gives me a sense that it is precision engineering material. The styling, outside or inside...the whole car is just NOT carrying a distinctive character/flow....a sign of no dominant designer, weak artistic touch, it is not Japanese, not European, not American although it has the hint of American design's 'unnaturalness' touch to it , and also more like something which is pieced together w/ things contributed by different people; somewhat like 'consensus results in mediocre'. Just too intentional & somewhat awkward. However, the design is still quite a lot better than the Camry especailly w/ Camry's 'after market' look/approach of doing the ground effect. On the mechanical side,again, the Altima just does not give me a feel that it is a precision engineering piece, still a little raw. Well,will learn to like it.
For friends who has purchased the 3.2SE:
The left-right-left-right-...flip-flop really surprised me. It was like you take the steering wheel and jerk it left and right just a little repeatedly but is is definitely due to the torque on the two wheels. I couldn't tame it with the wheel and it stopped once I let off the gas a little. Your CVT/automatic may have transitioned/dampened things a little versus the the solid 1st gear of a stick shift.
The city driving is too easy and light, way to easy, for a sport sedan feel and I am sure, we all will get used to and forget about it. One reason I will go stick is to give BACK myself something to do and feel, even though that clutch pedal is way too light.
The 2.5 engine is 2.5. Any 4-banger when pushed hum loudly. that is why I am going 3.2 this round. HOWEVER, on the 07, this hum is MUCH more harsh and noticeable. Harsh is the undescripable quality/characteristics of the noise and that is humanly annoying. On the 07, it is as if there is a hole on the firewall or the hood is removed. Also, the 03 has developed a 'valve ticking like' sound on light acceleration due to the injection system which Nissan had a investigation out nationwide to hunt down the mysterious cause and I have yet heard of any fix or explanation. This time, I don't want the repeat. You pay reasonable enough money not that this is expected to be a luxury car but you don't to be reminded by the sound once is a while that your engine is really out there in front of your face or something is not right while a Jetta, Camry or Accord does not do that.
Leather seats
Leather steering wheel
Drivers Power Lumbar
Auto Climate Control
Homelink
Metallic Trim
Heated Seats
Auto dimming mirror w/compass
....Thats it no sunroof, no fog lights, no 6 disc cd
And if you think about, $4400 for the bigger package is not bad....to put in perspective a xenon headlight bulb is around $300 and a whole light unit is around $1,000. So take $2,000 just for the head light assemblies. Then ad the leather, BOSE* 6 Disc, and all those other goodies!
I'm one of those waiting for some incentives to kick in. I will probably buy this spring, and am hoping that Nissan will kick in some "monetary assistance".
Dealer stated $1200 discount and $1200 factory assistance on 3 yr Altima 3.5 lease. Also, $1120 assistance on a 24 month lease. By the way, do you sell Nissans?
I figure any dealer can slash out easily on a higher spec or 3.5 $2000 and go from their. With inflated MSRP which is priced in comparison to competitive product's MSRP, and it is perceived/theoretical list price and it can be any big spread from Nissan's real cost (depending on how good a job the designers do in cost cutting designs, etc.) or the real net of any 'volume discount' to the dealer. Then you have the few hundred dollars of prep which is more like $100 dollars in variable cost. I am not surprised that the dealer can shave off another 1500 or so unwillingly but no blood yet. If you wait for months & after the 06 are all cleared out, the Nissan incentive will eventually come along and to shave off the 1500 will be easier?
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Here is why. That is the price. After that, if you are taking the Nissan lease, the residue value used to calculate your monthly payment is a constant set by Nissan & the dealer cannot alter. The 'interest rate'(kind of) used to calculate the financing is also set by Nissan and the dealer does not change. The TTL is not massaagable. The mileage per year and the numbre of year are calculated per a fixed formula.
You get it now, when you compare among dealers, it is the final selling price.
Things which can further affect that value but artificially is whatever is external you use to reduce that, namely with your own cash up front or/and the value of your trade in. Your trade in has more or less a set blue book trade in value. If the dealer give you less that that, he will give you more discount on the new car to make you feel better. If you feel better by getting a higher trade in value,he will reduce the discount on the new car. So, walk in without talking about trade-in or you already check your blue book value value so that you can always weed out the fog and know what the real final sellign price of the car is. If your mind can only understand the monthly payment amount, then you are at full mercy of the dealer. The dealer can use all the variables to come up with a payment value you like, and if not achievable, they will persuade you to put in some down payment until all the figure jives but the last thing they will do is to reduce the price a cent or give you one more sent for the trade in value. Bottom line is, you can't figure out the final selling price (adjusted by the higher or lower than blue book figure amount), you can't compare apples to apples.
If you cannot get very close to invoice at least, you are not getting a good enough deal in theory but you may be not the type who fuzz over the last few hundred dollar & may just say deal when you get somewhere half way between MSRP and invoice.
Dealer can add on to the money factor and create more profit for the transaction. So let say the current month money factor of 36 month lease is 0.00242, dealer can quote you a lease with 0.00342 money factor. If you sign up for the lease, the dealer just laugh all the way to the bank. That is one reason that Car_man service is so great. There is no real way of finding out the true money factor that Nissan charge even if you shop around a lot.
If the lease is a Nissan lease, I was of the understanding that the money factor is set by Nissan. You go to the Nissan site and use the estimator, you will get more or less what the dealer will quote you.
topgun7, are you sure you are talking about Nissan lease or third party lease?
See this example under a different thread:
Re: 2007 lease question [cand1unc] by Car_man HOST Dec 13, 2006 (3:23 am)
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Replying to: cand1unc (Nov 16, 2006 2:22 pm)
Thanks for the additional information, cand1unc. Nissan Motor Acceptance Corp.'s current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24 month lease of a 2007 Maxima SE with 15,000 miles per year are .00124 and 67%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a 2007 Maxima SL are .00152 and 67%. If you were to lease either of these cars with only 12,000 miles per year, their residual values would be 1% higher.
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Can I negotiate the price of a lease?
Different dealers and manufacturers will offer different lease rates and are willing to negotiate for your business. While the residual value and money factor are set by the leasing company, the capitalized cost is essentially how much the car costs. You'll want to negotiate this figure just as if you were buying the car. Shopping for a lease from several different sources can help you get exactly what you want.
Your best bet when leasing is to choose a model with a subvented (manufacturer subsidized) lease. Subsidized leases allow dealers to lower payments by artificially raising residual values or lowering the capitalized cost through dealer incentives. You can easily recognize a subsidized lease. Any nationally or regionally advertised lease is generally subsidized by the manufacturer to keep lease payments low.
All the manufacturer's lease work the same and allow dealer to pad the money factor to make additional profit. May be you folk should hang out in the Lease thread hosted by Car_man. He has a little packet of information about leasing that is very informative. And on every lease thread, there are tons of example that dealer give higher money factors than the "buy rate" from the manufacturer. I have personally lease 6 Lexus, one Mercedes, and a Honda and each company operate more or less the same. Here is the link to Car_man thread for Altima and in msg 144 he discussed the money factor aspect:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef9dd85/183!make=Nissan&model=Altima&ed_m- akeindex=.ef9dd85
"#144 of 195 Re: 2006 FandF Lease Question [altima11] by Car_man HOST Oct 19, 2006 (1:35 am)
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Replying to: altima11 (Sep 29, 2006 8:54 pm)
Hi altima11. The only really negotiable aspect of leased vehicles is their selling price. You have already assured yourself of getting a good price on this car, so you don't have to worry about that. The other main aspect of leases that dealers try to make money on is vehicles' money factors. Dealers are often allowed to mark vehicles' money factors up to add additional hidden profit to deals. Fortunately, the factor that you were quoted is right in line with Nissan's current buy rate for this car. So basically, this Altima lease is not negotiable, but it is a good deal.
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When you tried to get quote for a lease, instead of asking just for the drive off and monthly payment only, ask for the cap cost, money factor, residual, and other fees (document, acquisition etc.). And what you will find is that everyone come back with the same residual. Money factor, cap cost and fee are all over the place.
They are the one that you can negotiate with dealers and they all affect the end lease price.
Lexus and Infinite allow you to put up to 9 desposit with each deposit reduced the money factor by 0.0001. Honda reduce the money factor by 0.0001 if you put up one deposit (and sometime they waive that requirement). BMW and Volvo also allow mutiple desposit (but don't know how many deposit they allow one do). I have personally lease two lexus with 9 deposit on each and a Honda with one signle deposit to reduce the money factor. There were quite a bit discussion on the G35 lease forum about infiniti multiple deposit program. Look at msg 941...
sprinkler13, "Infiniti G35 Coupe / Sedan: Lease Questions" #941, 3 Jan 2007 9:58 pm!keywords=allin%3Amsgtext%20limit%3A.ef9da24%20deposit
Good luck.
The only thing you play with is the final selling price before TTL.
I am waiting for the hybrid, anyone know when will it come out? When I went to the SF Auto Show in Thanksgiving week, a product specialist mentioned first week of Jan.. But so far no annoucement yet..
Since the 2.5 has less power, it isn't needed. The Honda Accord is the same way. Traction control on the V-6, not on the 4-cylinder.
It isn't an added feature... just needed to control the power delivery of the V-6.
The V-6 is great, but if you are happy with all aspects of the 4-cylinder, then moving up in price for this reason wouldn't be a good move.
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When I do the math it looks good, but when I read the paper and see lease deals for $99 and $199 then it seems like way to much. Thoughts?
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No need to reply if you only have monthly lease amount figure.
Many thanks.
3.5SL w/ VDC package & Tech package
Also, What financing rates did you guys get?
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