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Don't forget the adjustable pedal feature - great for shorter drivers.
V-8 and all the goodies. Quoted 38% residual for 3 year Ford red carpet lease. A real disappointment as my 1999 Explorer was 54% for 3 year.
I am still hopeful that Lincoln will want to fast-start Aviator deliveries and may subsidize early leases to get them out on the road. Especially when they will probably go for full pop initially.
Ford did this in 1997 when I leased a '97 Expedtion at introduction for 2 year Red Carpet Lease with a residual of 77% Boy, the good old days. Lease payments on 99 Explorer were $75 a month higher for 3 year lease than 2 year on Expedition (both XLT's with similar equipment).
http://www.lincolnvehicles.com/vehicles/vehi_avi/default.asp
http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=646&press_subsection_id=421&make_id=93
The new interior on the 03 Navigator is certainly a big factor driving the sales here in our little part of the world....We get alot of the wow factor when we open the door. I think the Aviator will get the same positive response.
Bob
Limited availability initially 1-3 per month
No subvented leases or discount financing yet.
Unhappy, as I am also, that no AdvanceTrac available at Job 1. 2003 Mountaineer apparently does not have AdvanceTrac option at Job 1. Do not know why since 2002 1/2 and 2003 Explorer does and they are all made in the same factory.
Could the delay of the advance trac be related to the AWD system available to the aviator and the mountaineer somehow posing an incompatibility which ford is dealing with? ( The explorer 's and navigator option is 4wd which is somewhat different than awd )
Any updates on the PROPOSED dates of availablility of the advance trac and navi will be greatly appreciated
Thank you
Both '02 & '03 4wd explorers have AdvanceTrac as option, I don't know why Aviator does not offer it at init. production, since the torque between the two v8s are not that different: 280 vs. 300.
I extended the lease on my '99 Explorer for 6 months waiting for the delayed Aviator intro availability date. My time is up November 10 and I just can't wait any longer.
Yesterday, I reluctantly factory-ordered a 2003 Explorer Limited with AdvanceTrac to be delivered o/a 11/10.
I really wanted the Aviator and would have paid a premium over the Explorer. But no AdvanceTrac at intro was the last straw.
I own a 2001 Lincoln LS V-8 Sport w/AdvanceTrac and have had no problems and great service by the selling dealer. The free maintenance and longer warranty were also a plus for Lincoln. Although I will still be around this site, I was hoping I could be an early Aviator owner and share my experiences.
For those who can wait, I envy you and look forward to your discussions of your new Aviator. I am confident it will set the standard in mid-size SUV class as the best value.
The Lincoln LS will have AdvanceTrac II with understeer control added to the current AdvanceTrac. Perhaps final testing and release for production was delayed as the new system was finalized. The LS is scheduled to be introduced in November/December, 2002 time frame.
I will bet that AdvanceTrac II will be available on Job 2 Aviators and Mountaineers, to provide an upgrade over the Explorer.
Just an educated guess.
There is no real point in a TRUE AWD vehicle ALSO having Traction Control. AWD (QuadraTrac,QuadraDrive in Grand Cherokees)will always be superior to a 2WD system with Traction control because it involves the transfer of power between wheels and axles,whereas Traction Control is usually just a sophisticated computer controlling ABS on the vehicle brakes. Both are very safe systems,and in a passenger CAR (i.e. BMW,Lincoln LS) I would always choose traction control because it deters little from a CAR's handling characteristics,rather than something like a Subaru(except WRX which still handles EXTREMELY well)which also has AWD. BUT in something as cumbersome as an SUV,where handling is not really its strongsuit anyway,an AWD system will always be my top pick because it can be used over a greater variety of conditions with minimal driver input. There ARE some DISadvantages to AWD however. One is that many AWD systems involve a viscous coupling...these over the course of many years tend to go bad and are co$tly to replace. Additionally if you like to use 2wd(you like to peel out in your SUV??)then an AWD system will not suit your needs.These concerns are minimal however when compared against the Pro's of AWD. Bottom line...dont forgo this great truck over something as trivial as Traction Control when youve already got AWD..
Currently I have a 96 explorer which has control trac 4wd with a limited slip differential which i understand in the auto mode means it is rwd 100 % until there is slipage then the front wheels would be employed to some extent. I m curious how the aviator awd with the stability control would be different than the system I have now...I realize the stability part would be different..utilizing the brakes to stop swerving situations..but if it is rwd until slippage..it sounds the same as what i have in my explorer...
I m wondering why a system which starts out as all rwd would be better than a system which has the 65/35 rwd/fwd split from the get go?
Steve
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Traction control applies brakes and/or cuts engine torque to prevent rear wheel slippage in a RWD car. That is slightly different than AWD which moves torque from the rear to the front.
I don't have Advance Trac on my LS and probably wouldn't go out of my way to get it on a new vehicle. But others have said it saved their butt on at least one occasion. So I can understand why it might be a requirement for some buyers.
Aviator's AWD w/ AdvanceTrac should have been called 4x4 auto or auto-4WD. But, this is my guess, since there's no low range in its t-case, Ford didn't want to use the term 4WD.
I believe Lincoln did a heck of a job aggressively pricing for the Aviator. It should sell like gangbusters.
If anyone is looking at the new Volvo SUV - think twice. The 4 speed T6 engine was "made" to fit and this engine is presently being re designed.
Thank You
Steve
Has anyone seen an Aviator brochure yet? I ordered one on via Lincoln website, but haven't received it. (The Blackwood brochure arrived in less than a week. )
I m still guessing advance trac I is incompatible
with all wheel drive.Any idea when advance trac II
will be here?
I'm in the market for an Expedition or Explorer and I assume they have advance trac I at this point. What would version II add?
The software governing Lincoln’s AdvanceTrac™ traction and stability
enhancement system now incorporates understeer control. Understeer control
provides improved steering control and maneuverability on snow and ice and also
in dry road emergency situations where high lateral accelerations are induced.
It's not clear whether the Explorer or Expedition will get this or just the Lincoln versions.
I don't care about paying extra $ but I don't enjoy waiting, my lease is up NOW on my 2000 Continental (in rugged shape) & I HATE to miss gadgets & (especially) safety extras.
Advance Trac, DVD Navigation and the tire pressure monitoring system & five spoke chrome wheel are all available "later in model year". Which means...?
December 2002. Seems like the brochure was printed prior to any delays.
Also, for anyone interested
vivid red is an offered color in the brochure with light parchment interior.
18" wheels will be available as an option
A 2003.5 model seems likely, but I don't know what changes will be in there.
Except I don't see anyplace in the '03 LS documentation that specifically refers to this feature as "AdvanceTrac II"... where are you getting it from?
"The second-generation AdvanceTrac interactive vehicle dynamics system, a late-availability option, represents a significant advancement in safety technology because it now is capable of helping the driver maintain control and avoid possible rollover situations, in addition to helping correct oversteer and understeer skids."
No worries then, on something like an LS!