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Nice post. A little more info would be nice.
First, How did you get $4614 out of the $4500 rebate program?
Second, you say 'Internet Sale' is the way to go.
Are you saying there is some website out there we can go to called 'Internet Sale' where we can get a good deal?
Third, can you be a little more specific about your numbers? Are you talking about prices before shipping, before taxes, before ???
Can you please match up your numbers in the same format that Edmunds shows the prices? i.e. Invoice cost, MSRP, etc.
Many Thanks
Used Edmunds Get Quotes after I did TMV and submitted a request through here to multiple dealers at once.
Price was $20,996 Minus $4614 for C4C Minus another $X000 for a second car trade-in. Then they calculate Sales taxes, transfers, titles, documentation - You get the $500 rebate after they calculate this stuff. That is as clear as I can be because each state will be a little different in terms of tax, transfers, etc.
What do you think of the price that was quoted for me by the dealer?
25,500 for brand new 2010 Camry XLE Magnetic Gray and Ash Interior (Live in Cleveland, tax rate is 7.75%)
This is the price on to the road includes carmats, tax, title, documentation and temp. license from the dealer. Please help to decide since I don't want to haggle with each dealer.
Traction control - standard.
Six-speed transmission.
10 HP gain 2.5 liter instead of 2.4
2 MPG gain
Timing Chain in 2.5 versus Timing Belt in 2.4
However, I will say that the standard sound system is pretty good. If you want Satellite though you will need the upgrade.
I never have owned Camry, however the only one to buy is the SE 4cyl which offers sport suspension, and upgraded 17" alloy wheels..+ other goodies..
The std Camry suspension is pure junk!!!!! If you plan to keep your car for 100k miles or more, spend the few extra $$$$ and enjoy a decent handling car..The maintenance factor of a Camry as explained in the owners manual for a 2002 is probably correct, however not having looked at recent 2010 or 2009 manual I would say that tires, brakes, battery,and wheel alignment should cover a 5 yr stint of 100k miles. The fluid changes of all systems is a waste of time and money..It is enables you to bond with the dealer and their service dept will comb over your car to explain it is about to collaspe..
After going through 43 cars so far in my life with some going over 100k, fliud changes never happenedi, trust me, oil changes, you bet, every 3k-5k miles..Now most of thses cars were subjected to highway miles which accounted for probably 75% of the total..
The LE and XLE suspensions are idential, floaty and worn out by 50k, The steel wheels and the plastic hubcaps are really an insult on the LE..For a few bucks more, upgrade your wheels and if you want to upgrade your image, driving pleasure, and safety go the SE route..
Happy Motoring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, I am still mystified by your $114 salvage value on top of the $4500 C4C. If that is the case, I have such a truck with an engine having only 40,000 miles on it, a set of fairly new tires. a truck bed with no rust, etc., etc. I recon the salvage value at around $1,500 to $2,000 bucks. But I also recon no dealer is going to give me a cent above $4,500 . . . so I am still pretty amazed at your words!!
The $114 was for scrap metal - doesn't make a bit of difference whether the car is pristine or crawled in with a last gasp of smoking, rusted funk, on four bald mismatched tires. They are only giving you scrap value. At most you are going to get a hundred bucks or so because it is solely based on the weight of the car. If it is loaded with nice parts, the salvage company gets that as their profit for participating. Go to CARS.gov and read the details for yourself.
The deal I got has little bearing on what you will get, it depends on the dealers involved, where you live, your willingness to negotiate, their willingness to bend, whether you buy a car off the lot, whether you order additional options and a bunch of other stuff. You might do better, you might do worse. Turn off your computer and hit the streets and do some of your own work for a change.
Please let me know if you think anywhere 24000 - 24500 OTD would be a good deal for Camry XLE (including everything).
thanks
i have decided to expand my search to the Camry SE (was shopping for Accord LX-P). what should be my "target" price for these vehicles?
it seems like the dealerships in my are have also included add-ons to the "base" SE
i wanted to ask:
1) what my target price should be, i.e. how many $$$$ below invoice
2) what kind of incentives are out there right now
3) is the SE comparable to the LX-P Accord
4) also trading in my $4500 Clunker
5) how the stock is from the dealerships you have visited, i know stock seems low on mine, but i also know that there were plenty of Camry in the ports out there not yet delivered to the dealer
6) to those who bought Camry or Accord, what made you do so.
thanks so much :shades:
MSRP $22,850 (includes $200 for the mats and $750 freight)
Invoice $21,112
We had found and an identical model (in Red) at their Chambersburg, PA store listed on Fitzmall for $19,288 and asked the salesperson at Lakeforest if she could match that price or have the listed car sent down to Maryland. She then asked her manager, who told her that we would have to drive up to PA (2 hours) get that deal. Less than a minute later, the manager came over and said they would match the price. So they started to write up the deal for an identical Red LE they had in stock until I asked them for the Blue one we really wanted. They agreed.
The price included the $500 rebate that I thought had expired on 7/31. But they still gave it to us on August 2nd, so maybe the rebate offer was extended.
They gave us nothing for estimated scrap value (except the $50 they get to keep, plus $1 to keep their system happy) , claiming that they are entitled to it all, despite the CARS rules clearly state otherwise. But the deal was too good so I didn't quibble much about that.
We paid $19,288 minus $4500 for our 1992 S-10 clunker, minus $1 trade allowance for a total of 14,787 before 6% MD excise tax (on $19788), $99 dealer fee, plus a couple of hundred dollars for tags, title and title processing. Came to just over $16,000 out the door.
BTW, they are still listing that $19,288 red LE at Fitzmall if you want to buy it or use it as a to negotiation tool.
The reason I was asking is that you just mention the $25.5k price, I don't know if that is net price or OTD price.
Base, manual, and 09, should be $2500 lower than that price, at least i will only buy at that price.
The $18.5 is not great, because invoice on the base 6 speed manual 2010 Camry is $18,688. The 2010 has VSC, 2.5L engine, 6 speed.
I would see what Edmunds says the invoice price (not MSRP) is for the 2009 and offer $200 less than that, minus any factory rebate.
We know the exact total MSRP of $22,850 which includes the items you list.
And we know the exact amount you paid of $19,288.
So we can see you got a discount of $3,562 off the Window sticker.
This is the type of number, the $3,562, that is helpful for those who are starting out and floundering around.
From the Edmunds data, I have calculated the dealer invoice at around 92% of the window. Based on your 22,850 that gives an invoice of around 21,022. With your price of 19,288 that shows the dealers still have a lot to play around with ($1,734) in terms of the factors such as (holdback, advertising allowance, volume incentives, dealer rebates, etc.).
So in reality, the dealer can go nearly $2000 below his 'so called' invoice price, and still be making something.
Good info for the rest of us.
Thanks much.
Couple questions for everyone-
2.5L I4 or 3.5L V6?
From reading the messages, I will probably go without the navigation package. Thoughts?
And then to summarize what I am reading, ask for 2000 less invoice to start? Looks like the V6 invoice would be 27,240 without navigation, so ask for 25,240?
Thanks for the help!!
some are quoting MSRP for the "special" internet price
anyone think this gets better as end of the month approaches?
also what is the supply out there like?
thanks
2010 XLE Camry 4 Cylinder base model with car mats only
thanks
I am looking for 2010 LE 4 cyl Camry, invoice is 19,820. How much should be the deal?
19,820+750(destination)+Tax+title-2000(all rebate and incentives) is the one to get?
Thanks for help
I'm trying to buy the '10 Camry LE and no one would offer less than $19,800 + TTL in So Cal. Maybe it's the C4C effect. I probably won't be able to get the same deal as you but could you let me know the dealers that offer you the lowest quotes? My email is gnad361 at yahoo.com if you can't post it here. Thanks
Just yesterday (Saturday) I bought the Red Camry at the Chambersburg Fitzgerald dealership that he mentioned.
I paid the Internet price of $19,288.
The window sticker on this car was 22,850 including shipping and 200 for the floor and trunk carpeting.
So I paid 84.4% of the window sticker.
This is all before taxes, license, etc.
And I am happy to report that the buying experience was about the best I have ever encountered in purchasing a new car.
The Internet guy who sent me first reply to my internet inquiry on their website was top notch. Told me everything I asked up front and never wavered from anything.
I was still apprehensive when I went in to close the deal . . . waiting for the next shoe to drop. It never did.
I got apprehensive when sales manager came by . . . but nothing about 'mistakes' in the listing that would cause price to go up.
I got apprehensive when the 'accessories specialist' came by . . . but nothing about missing accessories that I must now buy.
I got apprehensive when they sent me into the 'financial closing office.' But nothing bad happened other than having to initial off that I didn't want any of the ridicoulsly priced extended warranties, simmonizing plan, etc.
And, I got the new Toyota incentive plan of zero percent interest for 60 months. I was ready to pay cash . . . . but jeez you can't pass this up. I will just leave my 20,000 or so in Money Market fund earning a measly 2-3% . . . but whatever it adds up to over 5 years, is frosting on the cake.
Now I will say that I got the last (for now) of the $19,288 deals.
They were up front with me that if I wanted to wait for them to replenish their stock with more color selections . . . the prices would be higher. They never really explained why, but I am guessing it will be because they know the American brands (obtaining 25-26 MPG for family sedan) are low on stock and they can command higher price (for awhile) on the Camrys.
So I just checked their site now and see that they only have received one Camry since I was there yesterday morning. They are only knocking off around $1700 bucks on it compared to the $3562 they were previously knocking off. But even that $1700 knock down is more than all other Toyota dealers were willing to do when I shopped around. Most are only coming down around $1200-1300 in my area.
Oh . . . yes this was my first experience with 4 cylinder engine in this size car. I have had V8s most of my life and had V6 on 2005 Camry. But this new 6 speed auto on the 2010 Camry with 4 cylinder really seems to do the trick.
I drove west from Chambersburg on I-81, I-70, and I-68. Went up over Eastern continental divide. The car ran at 2000 rpms in 6th gear. It only shifted down one gear (I think) on the uphill segments and ran at 2600 rpms. There was no engine noise at all.
However, if you start out from a stop and floor it, or punch the pedal all the way to the floor at moderate speed . . . the engine will make a lot of noise when it has to drop down 3-4 gears or so. Much more than my 2005 V6 makes.
But, that isn't they way I drive anyway, except to make sure I can merge onto the Interstate at the top of the ramp . . . so I can report that I am quite happy with the performance and sound of the 'tiny' 2.5 4 cylinder.
Also, the ride was quite nice in the 2010 and we preferred it slightly to the 2005 Camry. Can't really pinpoint what made the ride better, but that's what we thought anyway.
Still trying to figure out some of the new lights, instrument panel settings, lights, etc. The gear shift settings are also pretty confusing and not nearly as simple as in the 05 Camry.
I took some heat from another poster here for asking questions about his 'deal.'
He advised me to 'do my own work.'
But I hope my complete info posted above will be of great help to others.
Many posts here are quite confusing. We never know from their posted numbers exactly what numbers they are referring to. We can only evaluate 'deals' when we tell each other the exact window price (and what is included in that) and then the exact price we paid (before taxes, etc., which will vary from state to state.)
If we all help each other with this exact info . . . I think eventually most people will be able to get better prices. More info leads to power for the consumer and dealers will eventually have to start matching prices that others are offering.
I can even see the day coming when traditional car salesmen will go the way of travel agents. Many of us, including me, simply do not need to be 'sold' anything. We use many means to search out info, and then we make a decision. All we need is to then get the paperwork filled out and drive off. We could probably even do the paperwork ourself by filling out some forms on the internet.
My best to all car shoppers!! :-))
This is taking a 84.4%-90% value of the sticker.
Any help would be appreciated.
TIA
I'm trying to buy 2009 Toyota Camary LE 6cyl it gives me a MSRP of $24,215 and an Invoice price of $21,793. Now I know I qualify for two of their incentive programs which are the $1,500 and a $1,000 for new graduate.
Can anyone please tell me how would I start the negotiations? Can I start from the Invoice price and ask for them to give me both of the Incentives (21,793 - 2500) would that be possible?
I live in Los Angeles
Thanks in advance
If you don't mind I also live in Los Angeles, if you can tell me how you were able to negotiating and maybe which dealership you got your car from. My email is Scott_Smith28@yahoo.com
Thanks!
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
I am looking to either buy or lease (for the first time) a 2010 Camry, SE. I would like leather, sport package etc. Most likely the 4 cyc. I am very confused and frustrated by my experiences so far with dealerships.
Specifically, How do I get the best deal? In reading this forum, I have discovered that I know little about the whole process. Family is not being helpful. I have noticed replies mentioning the use of internet sales... are they the best way to get a good deal?
How do I negotiate the price- a % off invoice, or suggest a specific amount? From this forum, I believe I am reading that I can get residual values and MF from the general Edmunds site. Is this true and is there anything else I should be researching?I have found so far that when I go in to a dealership to look at their vehicles, they seem to blow me off because I am not with a man... plus, give me the "out the door" price with almost no discounts.
I will not be using the cash for clunkers program (private concerns) and if I trade the current vehicle in will get very little for it.
Looking for all ideas and suggestions, not the lines I seem to be getting from family and the dealerships... Please help!
We just bought a 2010 LE from Nalley Toyota in Roswell GA, and got it for $18,500, but it did not have the upgrades you mentioned. The MSRP on ours was $22,900. We also used C4C and received $4500. All in all our total cost ended up at $16,000 out the door. Sounds as though you could do better. We bought on July 27, so am not sure if the prices have eased a little higher now that inventories are lower, but I would definitely shop around, we did all our negotiating over the internet, and just went to the dealer to test-drive, and make the purchase. I know you are not likely to buy in Atlanta, but would NOT recommend Sandy Springs Toyota. There price was alright at $18,900, but the service was awful. They could barely give us the time of day. We walked in telling them we wanted to buy on that day, and we had financing organized, and hadn't mentioned C4C yet, and they really could not be bothered to make any effort, needless to say we went elsewhere to spend our money. Good luck!
You actually did better than I did, because you got the same price plus the 0% financing. Ours was written up as 19,788 - 500 rebate, so even if the financing offer was available at the time, we would have had to choose rebate OR financing. We ended up with 4.75% from our credit union.
I'm still confused by the $500 rebate we got, since it supposedly had expired two days prior.