1962 Cadillac - any driving experiences out there?

parm · August 2002

Wow! The auction recently ended on that black '63 Eldorado convertible on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1848987112 The high bid was $30,500 which didn't meet the reserve. Go figure.

$30,500 is way more than this car is worth given it's "over-restored" flaws - though it's still a very pretty car.

By the way, the bidding also recently ended on a black '62 Eldorado convertible that was rather unappealing (even by my standards). The winning bid was $7,500 and the reserve was met. This car had some problems. Given that, $7,500 may have been a bit high, but excessively so.

Mr_Shiftright · August 2002

Well again, Ebay auctions are rife with suspicion. This could just be a shill bid. You have no idea if it's a real bid. In real-live auctions we call these "chandelier" bids, meaning a phony bid made up by the auctioneer (he points to the chandelier and says "thank you! We have $32,000") in order to get closer to the reserve price, or to "save face" for the car that is receving no bids or paltry ones. The idea is that "no harm is done" because the phony bid is under reserve anyway, but it seems marginally ethical to me.

Mr_Shiftright · August 2002

Well again, Ebay auctions are rife with suspicion. This could just be a shill bid. You have no idea if it's a real bid. In real-live auctions we call these "chandelier" bids, meaning a phony bid made up by the auctioneer (he points to the chandelier and says "thank you! We have $32,000") in order to get closer to the reserve price, or to "save face" for the car that is receving no bids or paltry ones. The idea is that "no harm is done" because the phony bid is under reserve anyway, but it seems marginally ethical to me.

Obviously, the car should have been let go for $30,500. So the owner is either not willing to sell at a fair price or he's a lunatic to let real money like that get past him.

parm · September 2002

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1856794765

Last time the reserve was around $35,000, but it's reportedly been lowered "by thousands" for this go around according to the ebay ad. However, I doubt that it's been lowered enough to where it should be.

The bidding jumped to $19,600 within roughly the first 24 hours and there's still 6 more days to go.

If ever there was an over-restorted (and incorrectly I might add) car, this is it.

parm · September 2002

Well, with a little over a day to go, the high bid on the '63 Eldorado is $30K and the reserve has been met.

Given that all of the bids are "private", I can't help but raise an eyebrow in suspicion that perhaps there was some internal bidding to get the auction price up.

By the way, the whole Classic Car Townhall has been pretty quiet lately. Where is everybody?

jsylvester · September 2002

I think everyone is working on their cars.

I did the classic go to get ice cream cruise last night. While muscle cars get all the p.r., women seem to prefer riding in big old American iron. They seem to love the old big convertibles.

One thing about old pre-smog carburated cars - if the temperature is just right, and the right amount of gas is pumped by the gas pedal before turning over, you can get it to backfire! Haven't heard that in a long time.

I feel for you missing out on all this great cruising weather - I'm driving the car at least 3 days a week now.

parm · September 2002

That's good to hear. I wish they'd form a club and invite my wife. We were driving in our Intrepid Saturday night (a nice, warm evening here in Indiana) and she asked me to roll up the windows because the "wind was blowing her hair onto her face!" Naturally, knowing what was good for me, I rolled the windows up.

Oh well, you can't please everybody.

carnut4 · September 2002

a beautiful old Cadillac convertible? Would your wife still have rolled the windows up?
I don't know-sounds like you need to take her to more carshows and cruisins. You don't wanna cruise around in that new Vert by yourself!
I guess I'm lucky-my girlfriend loves all that stuff, and even on a hot day, she prefers to ride along with the windows open and let the breeze blow in. If it gets TOO hot, then we'll turn on the air conditioning. Otherwise, she likes that freshair.
And I don't even have a convertible!

parm · September 2002

On occasion, my wife will go to a local cruise-in. But, I couldn't get her to make the 1 1/2 drive with me to a Concours in Dayton, Ohio yesterday (Sunday). So, I dragged my 11 year old son along.

Man, there were some fabulous cars there! Cadillac and BMW were the two featured marques, but there were plenty of other cars along with some exceptional street rods (which I usually don't go ga-ga over).

Being a Concours show, you can imagine the high quality of cars that were there - some of the best on the planet. One car in particular that was absolutely flawless was a '57 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham. A truly stunning car.

My wife's main exposure is to local cruise-in's of which out of 50 cars, you might see one that even approaches the quality of what was in Dayton.

Shame on me for not trying harder to get her to come along. Oh well, my son enjoyed himself and that made it worthwhile.

jsylvester · September 2002

Before I had the 67 Galaxie convertible, I owned a Mazda Miata for about 6 years. It was strange that while the Miata may have a reputation as a woman's car with some people, most of the women I knew did not like riding in it. I know a woman who owns a Miata now, and she almost never puts the top down.

My theory is if you can get more than one woman in the car (some of her friends?), they like the social aspect of it. Also, like SUV's, women just feel safer in a bigger heavier car, whether they actually are or not.

The Galaxie is a much more comfortable car to ride in, and I actually like it better than the Miata, so I guess I had the wrong kind of car all those years.

andre1969 · September 2002

...what year is your Intrepid? Jsylvester and I have Intrepids, too! Your's is an '00 too, isn't it, Jysylvester?

I had the Catalina out on Saturday, cruising around. Put the top down and put the boot on in back, and it was perfect weather for it. Grbeck came down, and I got to show him how it chirps the back tires around 55 or so, on the 1-2 shift when you gun it ;-) We went to a little local show that had a pretty bad turnout this year, but still a few nice old cars.

And naturally, just to humble me, the 'Cat decided not to start when it was time to leave. It did finally fire up though...just a loose battery cable.

As for women and big convertibles...well my ex-wife always loved driving the Catalina. Good thing she didn't try to take it in the settlement!

parm · September 2002

My Intrepid is a '97 (the last year of the original body style I think). It's the Sport model which means it was the same engine and Autostick transmission as the ES. The Sport model doesn't have leather or the cast wheels - but it has the factory wheel mag wheel covers that I like very much (again, I think '97 was the first year for these).

It's an "anonymous-mobile", that's for sure. But, that's not all bad.

I'm reserving my "attention-getting" car for a 62-64 Cadillac convertible or any other full size convertible that might catch my fancy.

jsylvester · September 2002

Yeah, I've got a 2000 Intrepid R/T, which is faster than I need, to be honest. Same drivetrain, brakes, and other systems as the 300M with the PHP package, but no leather.

I took my Galaxie to the Ford cruise-in a couple of weeks ago. People were interested in it, though not sure if out of desire, or out of the fact they spent some of their childhood riding around in one. I'm thankful my vinyl interior is parchment, and not black.

I also used to own a 69 Catalina, my first car. Was old and trashed when I got it, but for $250 in 1982, it lasted over two years.

parm · September 2002

When you say you're thankful you have parchment interior and not black, I'm assuming it's because parchment may stay a bit cooler?

If so, theoretically, I would agree. However, when it's 85+ degrees and you're in the direct sun, I gotta believe hot is hot no matter what color the interior is. I know scientifically that a lighter color should be cooler to the touch, but in the direct sun, the difference can't be much more than 1-2 degrees.

I used to think I would never want a car with black interior. But, I've mellowed somewhat. My thinking now is that I don't want to pass on buying a nice car just because it has black interior. Case in point, that '65 Olds 98 we've discussed in the other Townhall Forum.

Whatever the interior color, if it gets too hot, I'm either going to park it in the garage or put up the top until the sun starts to set. Then, at that point, it doesn't matter what color the interior is because onlookers will be distracted by the big, stupid smile on my face as I cruise merrily down the road - hopefully with my wife by my side. Though, long rides aren't her forte as she tends to get bored pretty quick. Maybe I can lure her into taking rides by telling her I'm driving to the mall?

andre1969 · September 2002

...with a black interior is that it shows dirt very quickly. I agree about the heat. I think if you have vinyl and it's exposed to the sun, you're gonna get your butt burned no matter what color it is! Once you get moving, with the top down, the interior cools off pretty quickly.

One of the best colors for hiding dirt is beige/creme. You wouldn't believe how seedy the beige shag was in my '79 NY'er before I vaccuumed it. It's amazing how much crap that stuff can hide!

carnut4 · September 2002

When I ordered my 85 Dodge Daytona new, I ordered the garnet red, with black leather interior-without air conditioning!! Can you imagine? My Dad said, "go add that to the order before it's too late!" I took his advice, and man, am I glad I did. Numerous road trips through 90+ heat-omygod that air was a godsend. As for the black, I considered the tan leather too, but something about the color Dodge offered that year turned me off.
Anyway, Parm, I just bought the October issue of the Old Car Trader, and in the Buick-Olds-Pontiac section, I noticed a number of interesting convertibles for sale, at what seemed like reasonable prices. You should check it out, if you haven't already. Some of the ads, of course, were dealers with websites. One particular ad I noticed was a 64 Buick Electra 225 Convertible that looked interesting. Always like that year for big Buicks-in styling, anyway.
I'm anxious to read your post when you finally do find that special car, and tell us all about your first cruise in it, etc. As a bonafide old car nut from way back, I know the feeling, after looking for a long time, how it feels when something finally turns up that really hooks you. And, if you can get your wife involved in anyway, that'll make it even sweeter. I think if she can see and share the excitement you have when you find the right car, close the deal, and drive it for the first time, she might find an interest there that she didn't have before. Well, you could hope anyway.
Happy hunting.

parm · September 2002

Anyone have experience with a black on black color combination? Here's why I'm asking.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1858074572

This car has been on Ebay so many times it ought to have a revolving door. Take a look at the minimum bid price and you'll see why. Since I think I know a thing or three about '62-'64 Cadillac values (wink, wink), he's asking an Eldorado price for a DeVille that's not that well optioned.

Well, whaddya know. The seller is a dealer. Gee, what a shock.

speedshift · September 2002

I have to think black is a lousy color for a convertible interior, although one of mine had a black interior and I don't remember it being a problem. Maybe the heat exhaustion is making me forget.

On the other hand, black is a very forgiving color, especially if you're hauling kids.

A black exterior, as everyone knows, shows dust three minutes after you wash it.

But it is an impressive combination, especially on a luxury car.

My favorite is red over white. Very snappy.

parm · September 2002

I said the seller of the black '64 DeVille convertible is a dealer. He states in his ad that he's not. So, I'll take him at his word.

ghulet · September 2002

...the price is already approaching silly, and his reserve hasn't been met. Of course, some people are obsessed with low mileage and original, so he may get the big bucks. Since Fall is approaching quickly, I'm guessing the market for convertibles is going to slow down somewhat, at least here in the midwest.

jsylvester · September 2002

Have to say, the car is beautiful from the pictures. Again, one would think looking at it in person would have to be done before buying.

In my case, I found the car on E-bay, but bought it after the auction was over, and I looked at it in person. The seller did get some other offers after the auction was over, but for the same money, he didn't want to hassle with an out of town buyer - logistically it was much easier. Not to mention, meeting someone face to face and building a rapport helps if any issues pop up.

For instance, I use his mechanic for the car, so the mechanic already knows some of the repair history.

Mr_Shiftright · September 2002

The seller's story is very shakey to say the least. If the car was stored so badly to need paint, top, mechanicals, I can only wonder what else is wrong with it. Besides, it is no longer "original" by a long shot.

Looks like about $8,000-10,000 car all day long. The car is all "blue sky", there's not a shred of evidence to support any of the claims that I can see and quite a bit of evidence to discount the claims actually.

parm · September 2002

The engine block on that black '64 Cadillac convertible is painted the wrong shade of blue. It's supposed to be a dark, navy blue and not the light blue that it has. Seems to me a competent restoration project would have considered this seemingly obvious (to a Cadillac aficionado)detail.

I also wondered about the "in storage" story. Your value estimate of $8,000 to $10,000 sounds about right also. This is amplified by the fact that it's been on Ebay several times and never receives many bids at his entry price.

Of course, if someone offered him $9,000 I doubt he would take it as that is a sizeable drop from his $16,400 entry price. The gap increases when you consider that his reserve is probably in the area of $18,000 to $20,000.

jsylvester · September 2002

Proportionally, are there more 1960's Cadillacs around than a more plebian brand?

The reason I ask is one could assume that since Cadillac's were expensive, somewhat exclusive vehicles, they were better cared for, and therefore a higher percentage exist today. Therefore, the supply available should be decent.

Just as a calculation, out of around 878,000 full size Fords built in 1967, 5,161, or about 1/2 percent, were XL convertibles. If 10% exist today, around 500 could left. If 2,000 67 Deville convertibles were made (just making that number up for discussion), could one assume 50% are left, and therefore actually more convertible versions of them available than perhaps the highest produced model of 1967?

The oil crisis of the 70's hit just about when the mid 60's cars were in the "save or crush" phase of existance, so one could surmise many of the mainstream models were sent to the recycler rather than restored.

Also, NADA.com has a mid teens value on the above Cadillac for "average" condition.

Mr_Shiftright · September 2002

There are probably more Cadillac convertibles than you'd think. They cranked them out at a pretty good clip, probably 20,000 a year more or less, in the 60s. Also they were more likely to be better cared for than a Ford, and more likely to be restored.

andre1969 · September 2002

...Cadillac built 18,200 DeVille convertibles. That was Cadillac's only 'vert in 1967, as the low-line Calais series didn't offer a convertible, and the Fleetwood was only long-wheelbase 4-doors. The Eldorado was a coupe-only that year, its first year as an FWD personal luxury coupe. Prior to that though, the Eldorado 'vert usually moved about 2000 or so units a year.

jrosasmc · September 2002

But the old RWD Eldo ragtop was a very costly car to begin with, right?

Mr_Shiftright · September 2002

A '65 Eldo cost around $6,900. A base Corvette vert was about $4,300, and a Mercedes 300SE convertible about $12,000.

As it turns out, the Vette and Benz were better deals, because they are both worth far more than a '65 Cadillac today, maybe 4 times as much.

parm · September 2002

Talked to a guy in Georgia today with a '64 Deville convertible that has it listed for sale. His ad shows the engine is a 454. In 1964, every Cadillac rolled off the assembly line with a 429 - that was the only engine available that year.

When I mentioned the typo in his ad, he seemed genuinely surprised to hear that the 454 was not available in '64. I asked if the engine was original to the car and he solemnly believed it was. I didn't want to argue with the guy on this one point, so I told him I'd fax him the spec. page off of the '64 Cadillac brochure as well as other documentation. Earlier this evening, I emailed him 4 website links showing the engine specs for '64 Cadillacs. Plus, I suggested he check the Owner's Manual and Shop Manual - all of which will confirm in a New York minute that the car originally came with a 429.

What's more, this gentleman suggested he was a "car guy" and that he's always believed 454's were available in '64 Cadillacs. More dumb-founded I could not be.

He's owned the car for only a year and a half (red flag?) and I believe the previous owner told him the engine was a 454. So, this guy has either been grossly misinformed or the engine is not original to the car. If the latter is the case, that could be good news for me because it would substantially hurt the value of the car. And, I told him that as politely as I could. By the way, he's asking $16,900!!! and the one photo I saw in his ad suggests this car is in no better than average condition. But, that's a different subject and I won't go into that now.

I suspect the engine in his Caddy really is a 429 and that this guy is a bit out of touch and just doesn't know any better.

He's sending me photos of the car and engine. In the mean time, I've suggested he contact his local Cadillac LaSalle Club chapter and find someone who can authenticate the engine.

I only brought up this topic because the guy was convinced he had a straight-from-the assembly-line, factory documented 454 and it really threw me for a loop.

Isn't there some kind of natural law that says before you can sell something, you first have to know what it is you're trying to sell?

carnut4 · September 2002

Good story Parm. I'm anxious to see the pictures of this car-especially the engine. Keep us posted.
Reminds me of a guy in highschool-a braggart they used to tease, but who asked for it. He had a 56 Mercury 4door, that he claimed had a 404 Olds V8, 3x2s, and a 5.12 rear end. Complete with the sound of a Mercury motor , burning oil, through an automatic transmission.
Did this guy with the Cad used to sell vacuum cleaners?

jsylvester · September 2002

It sounds like he is not a huge Cadillac fan, and just came across the car and bought it. I would not assume he was dishonest, just not very knowledgable.

parm · September 2002

This guy sent me photos of the car and engine which looked like a 429 to me. But, I would trust anything I'd say! So, I forwarded the engine photos to a website message board that specializes in '63-'64 Cadillacs. Some of the participants on that board can take one of these apart in their sleep - they're that good. So far, the response indicates the car, indeed, has a Cadillac 429.

The reason why the seller thought he had a 454 was because when he was a kid, his father in 1975 bought a '64 Cadillac convertible with a blown engine. Then had a 454 installed into it by someone at GM. Along with the engine apparently came some factory documentation which as a kid he incorrectly interpreted as being from the factory.

So, fast-forwarding to about a year and a half ago, he bought this car to rekindle some childhood memories and naturally thought there was a 454 under the hood since that's what he remembered. Mystery solved.

isellhondas · September 2002

A lot of Honda owners and buyers will swear their Honda has a V-4 engine in it.

Buick used to do something kinda dumb. They would put the torque numbers on the air cleaners.

A lot of people would swear their '65 Riviera had a "Wildcat 445" or whatever in it. they would refuse to believe it was really a 401 cubic inch engine.

parm · September 2002

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1860196944

Well, another one got away (click on link above). The seller contacted the high bidder and talked HIM UP to $11,500 and sold the car for that amount.

I talked to the seller when the auction was winding down and it was obvious his reserve (which was in the $12,000 to $13,000 range) wasn't going to be met. CPI's latest issue (Q4-02) shows the value of a '63 Cadillac convertible in good condition (which according to CPI represents a "very nice car") to be $8,750. So, being generous and given that this car is only about 2 hours away, I told him I'd be in the $9,000 to $10,000 range assuming the car was as good as advertised.

Oh well, as I've said before, cars are like buses. If you miss one, another is sure to come along. They always do.

By the way, here's a '63 Caddy convertible in Yuba City, California with an asking price (his first amendment right) of $38K. Yeah right, like it's really for sale at that price.

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/1/7/1762417.htm

I'm half-tempted to call the seller and ask if he sat out in the hot California sun for a bit too long. This car has been on the market for what seems like forever. Gee, I wonder why?

ghulet · September 2002

I do like the color combination on the '64 quite a bit, I'm a sucker for red leather (or vinyl, for that matter).

I seem to recall seeing photos of that '63 posted here some time ago. I particularly remember this car because of the white top and black interior. Looks nice, I think it would be a bargain at a third the price, though. $38k is a pipe dream, to the moon and back. Oh yeah, and the guy can't even spell 'definitely' correctly.

parm · September 2002

I'm coming up for air long enough to let you guys know there are three '63/'64 Cadillac convertibles that just got thrown into the mix. They're probably long shots (aren't they always?), but I'm going to give'em a shot.

OK. I'm going back in. Wish me luck.

parm · October 2002

jsylvester · October 2002

If they work for my employer, they are probably laid off, and therefore have a "For Sale" sign on their car.

Luckily, if my employer doesn't file their taxes, the CEO/CFO can go to jail. A little job security for me.

I hope you find your car soon - even a less expensive/exclusive car is a blast to drive on cool fall evenings, I think you'll enjoy it.

ghulet · October 2002

November's Car & Driver, page 104.

parm · October 2002

Yep, it has highlights from the 2002 Cadillac Grand National meet in Dearborn/Detroit.

Haven't seen it yet, but have heard about it. I need to pick one up.

Good to hear there's still a few voices out there in the wilderness.

isellhondas · October 2002

Seems to be dying!

The number of topics continues to shrink which is to be expected I guess due to the lack of activity.

Have we simply talked these topics to death?

Parm, as the days become shorter and cooler I would expect the prices to drop on the cars that are being advertised.

parm · October 2002

Given the time of the year, I've stepped up my efforts and am reaching out to more sellers with the thought in mind that they may be more willing to sell at a reasonable price. However, so far, I'm not finding that to be the case.

Of course, it doesn't help when you're talking to sellers who's car is in California or Arizona. For them, the calendar doesn't seem to effect their selling price. That's of little comfort to a guy in Indiana (ie., me).

It also hurts when I have to go through a dealer. We've discussed this issue at length. As along as they can afford to "carry the weight", they're not too willing to budge.

Don't know if you've checked out my latest post in the 60's Oldsmobiles forum (unfortunately, it's pretty quiet in there too), but Duffy's has come down just a bit off their original asking price. Of course, they still have a long way to go before this car is at a realistic price which is what I'm driving at. They've knocked off $2,000 which is like spitting on the Chicago fire in terms of impact.

Patience I have plenty of. As for money, now that's a different story . . . . .

isellhondas · October 2002

Someday....when we find out what it is you finally buy!

parm · October 2002

No kidding. I can hardly wait to see how this comes out. Wish it were like a murder novel so I could flip to the last page to find out "who did it."

The "what" I buy is not so much of a mystery. It's the "how much and when" that's got me stumped. As time goes on, you'd think I'd be saving more money. But, it doesn't seem to be working out that way. As time passes, more and more of life's unexpected surprises have been popping up and I've also been finding other things to spend my money on. Both have been depleting my cash reserves.

I know Mr. Shiftright thinks the CPI guide is pretty "spot on" and I hope he's right. It's just that every seller I show the CPI values to treats me like I'm some kind of freak with my nose stuck in this book and totally oblivious to what's happening in the real world. But, isn't that CPI's job? To reflect current market values? At least that's what I keep telling myself. Assuming you buy into CPI's "our values are based on a wealth of market sales data" theory, you'd think the scales of value would tip in their favor once in a while. Reminds me of all those votes Mayor Dailey (in Chicago) received from "registered voters" in cemeteries. Just where are these people who are selling their cars for the values reflected by CPI?

So far, reciting CPI's value mantra has been pretty much like whispering into a jet engine. I'm talking but no one can hear me or wants to listen.

Patience Grasshopper . . . . patience.

andre1969 · October 2002

...about saving money. Or rather, NOT saving money! I've been saying to myself that I'm going to get the power top on my Catalina working now for, oh, about as long as I've had the car! About 8 1/2 years, now!

Every time I try to save up the money, something else always comes along! Keep trying though, Parm. Eventually you'll find the right car!

carnut4 · October 2002

to look at old cars. Parm, I'm sure there are some near you-maybe you already know about them.
Around here, there are several in the Fall, and of course I go to all of them just to see what's there. The big one in Portland is coming up in a couple weeks. I drag along my girlfriend, who has become interested in this stuff over time seeing what a carnut I am and how much a part of me that is. Having her along, she notices things I might miss, so my enthusiasm is actually fueled sometimes for cars/things I might otherwise pass over. Hey, they have all kinds of interesting vendors-selling things women like! {Maybe take your wife along, Parm!].
Anyway, a lot of guys with cars for sale there are wanting to unload before winter comes, when the market is pretty much stagnant. Anyway, just a thought. Take in some swapmeets near you in the coming weeks-interesting stuff, even if you don't find that special ride.
Isell, I notice too that it's too quiet on this board. No, I don't think we've talked out everything here. Just need more people to participate.
I was just thinking of something I might post in the 1960s Falcon topic. Hey, anyone else out there-say something-keep 'em going-I'll post too.

parm · October 2002

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1865909937&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1864020884&rd=1

isellhondas · October 2002

Is VERY nice!

Except for two things...

1. No Air Conditioning..may not bother most folks

3. Al Gore has ridden in it. A good thing thing I guess for some people

The blue one just looked Mickey Moused to me.

speedshift · October 2002

Al Gore rode in it? Better make sure it doesn't drift to the left. (Hey wait, I voted for him.)

Just a minor point but the whitewalls appear incorrect. They look like wide whites and '61 was the last year for them. '62 whitewalls were relatively wide but didn't extend in all the way to the wheel.

parm · October 2002

Actually, the blue one is probably one of the nicest '62 Eldorados in the country that's for sale in that it received a major restoration a few years ago. I only know this because I've been aware of this car for several months, have multiple photos and have spoken to the seller off and on during this time.

The seller was originally asking $30K which is obviously ridiculous. But, this is a very nice car with a value that's easily in the high teens and perhaps into the low twenties.

This shade of blue is perhaps my favorite for a '62 though the interior is a bit odd in that they chose an off white with a beige sort of marbling effect. I believe that in 1962 "antique white" (though regular white was also available) was one of the interior color options so that's probably what they were going for when they selected it. Personally, I like the crisp clean look of plain white with the blue, but admittedly this antique white is probably easier to keep clean and live with.

The carpet color selection is also questionable in that it is kind of a light brown that is probably supposed to compliment the "antique white". However, I think some sort of a dark blue would have been a better choice.

The seller is a nice enough fellow, but based on what he wants, I think I have zero chance at this car.

I think he only put it on Ebay to increase "public awareness" and create interest which he's reportedly done in that he told me he has several people coming to look at it this Saturday.

1962 Cadillac - any driving experiences out there?

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