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Second choice: 2002 Villager (steine's special) with ABS. One advertised for 9k just sold from under me... keeps me out of CCBA :shades:
My name is Michelle and I'm new here. We are researching minivans in hopes of buying one soon. I have a question: Does anyone know which minivan makes/models have the fold flat seats? I know some have both rows that fold flat and some only the back row. We are looking to buy a used minivan - so any minivans that have those seats from the year 2000 and up. We rented a Dodge 2005 Grand Caravan the other day and loved how the bucket seats folded right into the floor!
Thanks for your help and information!
But, yeah...CR shows little love beyond Honda and Toyota in the minivan category,
The long wheel base versions from Dodge and Chrysler brands all have fold into the floor second and third row seats, except on some stripped low end models. Their short wheel base versions do not fold flat, second or third rows either
Odyssey and Sienna and Ford Freestar have fold into the floor third row only. Second rows must be removed to have a complete flat load floor up to the front seats, though some of them can be tipped and collapsed up against the front row, I believe.
Nissan's minivan has the second row seats that "semi fold". They drop down part way but not completely flush with the floor, so you do not get a flat cargo surface. Also, you better be aware that Nissan's minivan dash arrangement is bizarre.
I don't know much about Kia's however.
Thanks
Current Honda Odyssey has had stowable third row in both the current generation introduced in 2005 model year and the previous generation, which was introduced in 1999, I believe. For Sienna, I do not know if it's previous generation had a stowable third row, but the current generation was introduced in 2004 and basically unchanged since then.
GM's current Minivans were introduced in 2005 model year. Previous generations did not have even the semi-stowable seats they have now in either second or third row.
Ford Freestar has been on the market about two years and all Fresstars have had the stowable third row. The previous generation Ford was the Windstar, which did not have stowable seats.
Currently the Dodge/Chrysler twins have the edge in easily stowable seats for both second and third rows. If you see a little "Stow and Go" decal right below the driver's side window near the rear post, it will have the second and third row stow into the floor feature.
1995-2006 Honda Odyssey
1999(?)-2006 Mazda MPV
2004-2006 Toyota Sienna
2004-2006 Nissan Quest (fold flat second row too)
2004-2006 Ford Freestar/Mercury Monterey
2005-2006 Dodge Grand Caravan (not sure if the 04's had it, but I think they had an early 05 run starting in Feb 04)
The current GM vans (2005-present) have fold flat seats, but those are several inches above the floor, so you lose some space. You can take those seats out, but its not a "genuine" fold flat into the floor seat like the ones listed above.
Good luck. The minivan segment actually doesn't have too many entrants. You've got the Big 3 Americans, (GM, Ford, Chrysler) the Big 3 Japanese (Honda, Toyota, Nissan), Kia, and Mazda.
The MPV took a one year hiatus in 1999 and returned in 2000 with a total redesign. Much like the Nissan Quest did in 2003.
I would only add that the current '05-'06 Honda Odyssey and '04-'06 Toyota Sienna have a 60/40 SPLIT 3rd row rather than a 1 piece seat (Not sure about the DCM vans). This not only makes for more options in the 3rd row but means the seats are lighter and easier to raise/lower than non-split seats.
The split seat sure aids in flexibility.
That's interesting. So if you DON'T have the Stow N Go package, does the 3rd row not split (one piece) or not fold flat into the floor?
All Stow 'N Go have 60/40 split fold into the floor 3rd row and ALL are the longer models.
The Caravan SE has a bench 2nd row and a one piece 3rd row seat while the Caravan SXT has 2nd row bucket seats with a one piece 3rd row bench standard and optional 50/50 split fold and tumble 3rd row bench seat.
The SWB T&C has 2nd row bench and one piece 3rd row bench seat standard with 2nd row bucket seats optional or another option with bucket seat 2nd row and 50/50 split fold and tumble 3rd row bench seat. NONE of the shorter DC minivans have a fold into the floor 3rd row seating.
DC minivans offer a wide variety of seating options.
Regular models (Non Stow N Go) are 50/50 or 100/0.
Also, a power sliding door is a must!!
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Andrea
Sienna LE 7: Trade.in $ 18,872 Retail $22,807
Sienna LE 8: Trade-in $ 19,956 Retail $22,918
Odyssey LX: Trade-in $ 17,413 Retail $19,961
Odyssey EX: Trade-in $ 19,276 Retail $22,270
GC SXT:.......Trade-in $14,600 Retail $17,903
Cost NEW 2006(MSRP and Actual):
Sienna LE 7: $26,949 $25,698
Sienna LE 8: $27,049 $25,793
Odyssey LX: $25,895 $25,210
Odyssey EX: $28,945 $28,206
GC SXT:.......$27,830 $24,400
Based on these numbers, a 2 year old would cost this much less for each:
Sienna LE 7: $2,891
Sienna LE 8: $2,875
Odyssey LX: $5,249
Odyssey EX: $5,936
GC SXT:.......$6,497
IF you are buying a vehicle just 2 years old, is it worth only $2,875 to get a 2 year old Sienna LE 8 with 20,000 miles on it and much of the factory warranty gone? :confuse:
On the other hand, you would save $ 6,497 buying a 2 year old GC SXT but still much of the factory warranty would be lost.
The Odyssey savings would be greater than if you got a Sienna but less than buying a 2 year old Grand Caravan. I got my used 2002 T&C LX from a friend so I paid slightly over wholesale and knew the van's history. I would NEVER buy a used Sienna or Odyssey since buying the new one is more cost efficient. I would NEVER buy a used GC from a dealer as too many have been abused as rental or fleet vehicles. :sick:
That's like an extra disney vacation for my whole family!
Somne dealerships may still have leftover 2005 models on their lots.
That's like an extra disney vacation for my whole family! "
Since I got my 2004 T&C at $9000 under MSRP, including a $6K rebate that was the same on the GC at the time, I'm guessing the GC discount would be more than was listed originally by Hans. More than covering a Disney trip
Pricing for NEW 2006 minivans is MSRP and actual prices quoted by local dealers. The MSRP for 2006 minivans is NOT the same as that for the 2004 minivans when they were new. :shades: A 2004 GC SXT had a higher suggested MSRP than the 2006 model has.
Well, lady... it appears hades has frozen over. Honda has come out with a concept minivan called the Honda WOW.
It was unveiled at the recent Tokyo Motor show. The WOW caters to cannines and comes with a built-in crate that folds into the floor. It also has a special seat belt designed for dogs, and even a spot for Spot's bowl.
The article I read stated it is doubtful the WOW will ever make it past the conception model.
But, that Honda would even spend money developing something like this shows there must be some interest. Some countries eat their dogs...others chauffeur them around in non bare bones models.
http://www.chrysler.com/freedom/?pid=eDirect&adid=CPFTC%2DQ4%5FIncentive&rid=%20
Honda was smart to increase the warranty but DaimlerChrysler dropped the 7 year 70,000 mile warranty of the 2005 minivans to 3 year 36,000 mile...but recently was smart enough to increase the warranty to the 5 year 60,000 miles that the Sienna has had for years and the Odyssey now has.
Did notice for 2006 you can have a sunroof and curtain airbags together. You couldn't for 2005s.
JillNYC
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While saying the Sedona felt "sluggish"...she did say it was "fun to drive". Her overall review of the 06 Sedona was positive.
"As fate would have it, my friend Helga is in the market for a minivan, so I invited her for a spin. Her initial reaction mirrored mine. A little too slow, too heavy, and too big. Because of the engine size and the weight of the car, we were concerned with the vehicle being a gas guzzler. "
Spirited, energetic drivers would demand much more...
At 244hp you may find the 2006 Sedona more spirited and energetic than the anemic 230hp(revised) that the Ody has?
You would have the pleasure of smelling hot air as the Ody leaves you disappearing in its rear view mirror.
Still waiting on Nav and parking sonars. Until then, the Sienna Limited tops my list.
Kia needs to cook that Sedona a little longer before it would be ready to suit my needs. But, I think Honda and the others are starting to hear its footsteps.
New 2006 DCX Caravan SE - $11,995/$19,900 MSRP
New 2006 DCX Caravan SXT (power seat, trip computer, 3.3L V6, 7"DVD - $16,373/$25,335 MSRP
New 2006 DCX Grand Caravan SXT Special Edition (heated leather, 8"DVD, moonroof) - $21,589/$31,365
New 2006 Chrysler T&C (V6, Air, Tilt, Cruise, Keyless) - $12,777/$21,735 MSRP
The dealer is Milsch (www.milschdodge.com) just 3 miles north of DCX's tech center in Auburn Hills.
The first price looks too low to be the actual selling price unless there is a HUGE Dealer Doc Fee. :confuse:
The 2006 DCX Caravan SE with ZERO options has a MSRP of $19095 and an invoice price of $18056 (including dest.). There are currently $3500 in incentives/rebates (according to Edmunds) which brings the invoice down to $14556. And it is advertised at $11995??? The others are equally ridiculous; all at thousands UNDER invoice even after taking into account the rebates.
Something doesn't pass the smell test here.....
Until then, I think I like the Sienna
http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Kia/review/2006-kia-sedona-ex-road-test/1563/
Odd engine power was INCORRECT. The 2006 Odd has 244 HP and 240 Lb-Ft torque. Is the Sedona engine power also the rating under the older, inflated method? :confuse: