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  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    What you don't see is what is in the plant. Tooling, machinery, support people, most come from Japan. Assembled, is different than built. Same can go for a supplier or vendor to these plants. Japanese transplants.. same thing, tooling, support, ect all Japanese
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,188
    Granted.... a Honda built in Ohio won't have the same domestic content as a Jeep built in Ohio..

    But, they build the engines for Accords and Civics right here in Ohio.. They don't ship them in from overseas (as BMW does in South Carolina).

    For every Japanese employee that is temporarily assigned to an American auto plant, there are 500 US citizens permanently employed there..

    15,000 Ford workers are taking buyouts, just in the Cincinnati area, alone..

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  • sky23213sky23213 Member Posts: 300
    Wouldn't you love to hear his conspiracy theories :D
  • drive62drive62 Member Posts: 637
    When I read the response I got this mental picture of Japanese workers sleeping in a chest of drawers like on Seinfeld.
  • dromedariusdromedarius Member Posts: 307
    I'm still waiting for Honda to fold. In the meantime, my 2005 CR-V is running like a CHAMP!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,250
    woo hoo! 1 year+ and counting! ;)
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    I bet it still drives like it has a few hundred fewer miles on the odo too huh? :P

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-02-19-odometer-usat_x.htm
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,250
    iv'e done the measuring on long runs with the escape and the explorer. they are close. less than 3% off is not a huge deal, other than if you a leasing and are close on mileage. overall, still a disappointment.
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    I bet it still drives like it has a few hundred fewer miles on the odo too huh?

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-02-19-odometer-usat_x.htm


    Ford is not accurate either, as a matter of fact, none of the odmeters out there are accurate. Some are faster, some are slower, some are very close. But, as the tire wears out, the odomter accuracy goes out the window. That is the mechanics of the odometer accuracy, it measures the revolutions of the wheel, which is then converted to mileage using circumference. Since tire wear, tire pressue, aftermarket or optional tires and rims mess up the constant in the calculation, you never get very accurate measurment.

    The lawyers chose to sue Honda because it had more money.

    Lawyers' fees in this case are $10,000,000 doubt Ford has that kind of money just laying around, with the billions of dollars in losses.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Guys, I'm aware of the inaccuracies of odometers and speedometers. It's a fact of life. I just thought the article was funny in that Honda is throwing all that money out the window because some lawyer had too much time on his hands.

    However, it does say he tested domestic vehicles and they were "by and large perfect".

    The lawyers chose to sue Honda because it had more money.

    Huh? Toyota has a lot of money right now too so why didn't he sue them? Do you think a lawyer would have pity on someone because they are hurting financially right now? Ford and GM can afford to pay out, but as the article states, he didn't find a problem with them.

    That statement was pretty off the wall blue.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    Well, after 2 years of ownership, we finally decided to take Escape for a road trip. It is about 6,000 miles under what it is supposed to be, since we alway like to take CR-V for road trips.

    Here are a few observations:
    The cons:
    1) Transmission. Automatic tranny hunts for gears when going up long hills. With the cruise on, Escape loses about 5 mph before it kicks down, then once up to speed it shifts up, then loses 5 mph again and kicks down. VERY ANNOYING. I ended up pre-emptivley turning off O/D at the bottom of hills to stop it from gear hunting.

    2) Lack of power. There is no power what so ever when you need to quickly gain speed from 50 to 70 or 60 to 80 mph. Pedal to the metal, the engine is making noise, but there is no "push" Makes for very scary passes on rural single lane roads. Despite having V6 and all this power on paper, it is not useable when needed. There is dcent grunt getting up to speed, but once at speed, there is no power to gain more speed. I never had this fear of passing in the CR-V.

    3) Cornering. Taking the same roads we take in the CR-V, Escape is less capable at cornering. Body leans a alot, and the general feeling of unsurefootedness is very pronounced.

    4) Braking. It sure takes its sweet time braking, even though Escape has half the miles the CR-V has.

    5) Cruise control. Probably due to the tranny, but it has about 5 mph window up and down to keep the speed "constant"

    6) HVAC. When it is really cold outside (3 degrees F) when we left Buffalo, I had the heat setting at 3 notches above the hottest, but it would not keep the temperature the same. Setting it one notch higher made it to hot, one notch lower would be too cold. The setting would have been perfect if it maintaned same hot/cold ratio. And it is not like we drove through different climate zones, it was still about 3 degree outside, but the system did not provide constant temprature. It got much better when we made our way farther south, and could leave the setting at the half way point, which it maintained much better.

    7) Seats. There is no lateral support in the seat. The seats just feel flat, like a cushion on a couch.

    8) Radio. No steering wheel controls for the radio. Once you have them, you get used to them very quickly.

    9) Radio. No tweeters at ear level to bring up the highs to where they can be heard better.

    10) Lower roof line for a 6 footer. I really have to lean forward to see the traffic lights.

    11) Speedometer error. I use Micrsoft streets and Trips GPS and software. The speedometer on the Escape has 4 mph error (you are traveling slower than the speed displayed), if you assume that the center of the needle over the marking is the travel speed. Using the same software and hardware I get 0 mph error from the CR-V.

    The Pros:
    1) It is quieter at speed than CR-V.

    2) Radio is capable of holding on to distant stations longer.

    I am sure someone (Scape??) will come back and tell me that it is just my imagination.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,250
    i agree in hilly areas even on the highway, the trans in hte escape does a lot of upshift/downshift.
    how many miles was your trip? what kind of mileage did you get?
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    While I do agree with some of your assessments, some of the others are not worthy of comparison. Things like CC error, and speedometer error could go either way on any given day.

    Your assessment of the seats, brakes, power, cornering, transmission, and HVAC are all subjective and only cons to you. Having said that I did find the Escape tippy on the highway at speed and the transmission did hunt a lot (we have all hills and no flats in this neck of the woods). But I found the HVAC to work just fine and power was ample once you learned where to find it (don't floor the gas pedal and use the low end of the engine's range).

    We had a Limited with the Audiophile system so we did h.ave door mounted tweeters and a subwoofer so I can't attest to the stereo. If you must have door mounted tweeters they are available. I hope that the tweeters in the CR-V are better than the one's we had in our '96 Civic. Those were crap and they drowned out all the other sound somehow.

    You think the Escape is quieter? Hmmm, I always thought the Escape was rather loud.

    You are entitled to your opinion and we all appreciate your time to write it up. Please let everyone know that it is your opinion in the future though. Not everone understands speedo error and such things like we do. ;)
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    The trip from Buffalo, NY to Myrtle Beach, SC is about 850 miles. I can't realy give a good calculation of the MPG's since I was not able to refill at the same station, but, just by diving miles by gallons filled to auto shut off it comes out to 23-25 at different fill ups.

    There are a lot of hills cutting through the Allegheny mountains, plus we were doing 75 mph on average. Some sections of the road have 70 mph speed limit, which results in us moving at 85 mph, and some are only 45-50 mph.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    and power was ample once you learned where to find it (don't floor the gas pedal and use the low end of the engine's range).

    You think the Escape is quieter? Hmmm, I always thought the Escape was rather loud.

    According to the engine specs, most power in the Escape is produced north of 5000 RPM. The tranny does not really let the engine spin that fast...

    I think if Ford put a 5 spd auto or a manual in the Escape, it might be able to use all the potential power that the engine is theoretically capable of producing. Although, I felt like the engine was just choking at high RPM's.

    Of course, I come from a line of vehicles that produce power across the whole range of RPM, some of which rev all the way to 15,000 RPM (Honda bike), without choking.

    Escape is quieter than CR-V. At 80 mph it revs at about 2,500 RPM, while CR-V revs at 3,500 (manual), auto revs lower.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    According to the engine specs, most power in the Escape is produced north of 5000 RPM. The tranny does not really let the engine spin that fast...

    I always wondered about that because I never found any power north of 5000 RPM. The engine seemed to lose power before 5000 and I was always able to pass with confidence using the ample power on the lower end. A 5-speed tranny would do worlds for the Escape though. Why it's not in the '08 I don't know. :confuse:

    Of course, I come from a line of vehicles that produce power across the whole range of RPM, some of which rev all the way to 15,000 RPM (Honda bike), without choking.


    I think that's the key factor here. I'm used to driving Ford's which typicall do not have the power band of a modern Honda. The last Honda I drove, excluding test drives, was our '96 Civic and it had no power until you got north of 3500 RPM. If Honda's are still like that then I would have listed similar cons to yours about the engine. From what I've read they are not like that anymore though.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,250
    that is good mileage for a vehicle rated at 22-23 on the highway.
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    Since the 2002 introduction of iVTEC, Honda engines produce 90% of the rated torque from 1500 RPM.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    There are a lot of hills cutting through the Allegheny mountains, plus we were doing 75 mph on average.

    I'll vouch for that. I live on the Western edge of them. ;)

    Ironically, one of the reasons we chose the Escape over the CR-V in 2002 was the latter's performance on such hills. I wasn't pleased with how the drivetrain shifted around unless I wound the motor up to levels that are unpleasant to me. That's not the only we didn't get it though.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    Ok, who at Ford thought that 100 Mph Speed limiter was needed on the Escape V6?

    I found the hard way that it has one. Just another negative for the Escape. I have taken CR-V to over 100 mph, so I know it does not have the speed limiter.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    Ironically, one of the reasons we chose the Escape over the CR-V in 2002 was the latter's performance on such hills. I wasn't pleased with how the drivetrain shifted around unless I wound the motor up to levels that are unpleasant to me.

    Problem with the Escape tranny, is that if contantly shifts while climbing hills. Which I find very annoying.

    Secondly, the tranny in the Escape does not let the engine reach its full potential. I have driven it hard, it never reached 5000 RPM, always shifted before that. Pressing the pedal into the floor did not make the tranny hold gear to allow engine reach its full potential.

    Since the spec call out for the Duratec in the Escape to produce 200 Hp at 6000 RPM, and 193 ft. lbs 4,850, the engine never produces advertized Horse Power. Seems like a waste of 600 cc's and 40 HP over Honda's 4 cylinder engine.

    So, I am not sure what you found so uncomfortable about CR-V engine, at least it does not slow down on the uphills and does not make for un-safe passing.

    I am used to revving engines to the red line (Honda Cars and Bikes), so that only seemed natural to expect the engine to rev at least to the point where it makes most of it power.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "I found the hard way that it has one. Just another negative for the Escape. I have taken CR-V to over 100 mph, so I know it does not have the speed limiter."

    Is it a speed limiter or just a function of the final drive ratios?
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Problem with the Escape tranny, is that if contantly shifts while climbing hills. Which I find very annoying.

    I agreed with that in relation to highway driving. On neighborhood hills I found that the two to perform the other way around. The CR-V needed multiple shifts to climb steep hills whereas the Escape climbed in a lower gear and at a lower RPM. Since we do 80%+ of our driving on said neighborhood streets I found the CR-V's drivetrain to be very annoying.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    Is it a speed limiter or just a function of the final drive ratios?

    It revved at about 3200 RPM, so there was another 3000 RPM to the red line. The fuel would cut out until the car slowed to 95+ mph, and then come back. Kind of like the red line fuel cut off on the CR-V at 6800 RPM.

    It was definatly a speed limiter, not function of the gears.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    The CR-V needed multiple shifts to climb steep hills whereas the Escape climbed in a lower gear and at a lower RPM. Since we do 80%+ of our driving on said neighborhood streets I found the CR-V's drivetrain to be very annoying

    That is probbaly because CR-V has more gears to downshift to.

    Once again, a well built engine should not have any trouble revving to the red line, or at least to the RPM's it is rated pt produce most of the power.

    Escape is rated to produce 200 Hp at the RPM's that tranny never allows it to reach.

    Why bother then hauling around extra 2 cylinders, and 600 cc with the accociated increased weight and hit in the fuel economy?

    I agree that CR-V with Auto is not to be desired either. Actually, I have yet to find an automatic that can read my mind and shift into the gear it will need. CR-V automatic is beter than Escape's because it has more gears and Gradelogic prevents gear hunting, but it is still not good enough for me. Luckily Honda offered CR-V with stick when I bought mine.

    I have been driving stick for this long, it is too late for me to learn how to drive automatic.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    That is probbaly because CR-V has more gears to downshift to.


    As I said, the Escape did not have to downshift at all. For example, if it was in 3rd it stayed in 3rd and we moved on up the hill. The CR-V would have to shift back to 2nd to make it up.

    Automatics do stink. Unfortunately they are a necessary evil for most family haulers these days.

    Once again, a well built engine should not have any trouble revving to the red line, or at least to the RPM's it is rated pt produce most of the power.

    The Duratec30 in the Mazda6 I had revved to the redline quite happily. I'm not sure that I ever attempted to rev the Escape to the redline so I can't argue much with you on that subject. The Mazda version did have VVT though.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    I checked the ScanGauge log, the toal fuel economy for the trip is 20.9 mpg.

    Climbing hills in 3rd gear puts the engine at full load, 99% engine loading, while it keeps the RPM's around 3500, well bellow the max output, that would explain the inability to maintain speed uphills.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,250
    i have found our escape does a lot of shifting (gears 3-4)on hills, but speed is not a problem.
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    i have found our escape does a lot of shifting (gears 3-4)on hills, but speed is not a problem.

    I usually drive fast, 80 - 90 mph is the norm, with some bursts to over 100 mph (not in the Escape, since it is governed to 100 mph) to keep up with other fast moving cars.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    In 1936 the 3 Goldberg brothers, Norman, Hyman, and Max invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17th, 1936,the temperature in Detroit was 97. The 3 brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that 3 gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter.

    Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air-conditioner and cooled the car off immediately.

    The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them 3 million dollars for the patent. The brothers refused saying they would settle for 2 million but they wanted the recognition by having a label "The Goldberg Air-Conditioner" on the dashboard of each car that it was installed in.

    Now old man Ford was more than just a little bit Anti-Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg name on 2 million Ford cars. They haggled back and forth for about 2 hours and finally agreed on 4 million dollars and that just their first names would be shown.

    And so, even today, all Ford air-conditioners show on the
    controls , the names "Norm, Hi, & Max".
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    LOL ;)

    Don't forget their foreign cousins, Panel and Floor.
  • kandyrkandyr Member Posts: 6
    Your message seemed like a good place to get some input. I am looking for a $20-24,000 SUV and I recently test drove the 2008 Escape XLT and a 2007 Honda CRV. I really wanted to fall in love with the CRV because I know it will last. Right now I'm leaning to the Escape only because of the ride. I'm 55 and I want a smooth ride. I'm in my car approximately 1:15 M-F and a smooth ride is very important. The other thing is being able to get in and out of the car/SUV comfortably (not too much pressure on the knees.Ouch!) I also found the Escape to be quieter and the two passengers in the back seat said the Escape was more stable feeling. I've never owned a Ford so I am a little afraid. However, my daughter did own a Civic and drove it until the wheels almost feel off. I may go test drive the Saturn, Mitsubishi Outlander and Suzuki. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
  • pisulinopisulino Member Posts: 78
    Good consumer, test drive them all and find your sweet spot.
    I have done the same and end up purchasing the Suzuki GV Luxury. There is no other SUV with so many standard options and low price. For sure you can get it for about $3K under MSRP/20K fully loaded. Is not the best on gas but I'm very impressed. (best kept secret)
    See specs and good luck:
    Here are only the safety features

    Engine block heater
    4 Mode 4WD (4H, 4H LOCK, 4L LOCK, Neutral)
    Centre Differential LSD (Limited Slip Differential)
    Dual front airbags
    Front seat-mounted side airbags
    Side-curtain airbags
    ABS with EBD (Electronic Brake Force Distribution)
    Centre high-mounted rear stop lamp
    Brake assist
    ESP** (Electronic Stability Program) with traction control
    3-point ELR seat belts (all 5 seating positions)
    Height-adjustable front seat belt anchors
    ISO-FIX child safety seat provisions (2 rear)
    Child seat tether anchorage (3 rear)
    Child-proof rear door locks
    Daytime running lights
    Side impact beams
    http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_07/grand_vitara/specs_and_pricing.php
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    What were the negatives with the CR-V?

    CR-V is lower to the ground, so getting in and out should be easier than Escape.

    Your definition of a smooth ride may be different from mine. I want the car to talk to me, to tell me what the road is like, what the engine is doing... stuff like that. If you want total isolation from the outside, Buick or Lexus should fit the bill here.
  • kandyrkandyr Member Posts: 6
    We do have different definitions. I'm at stage in my life where I want a dependable engine but I'm not interested in listening to it. If something goes wrong under the hood, I hope I'll be able to tell. I don't want to know what the road is like, except for any potholes up ahead. A smooth ride for me means not feeling the bumps. As far as being lower to the ground, that's worse if your knees aren't in good shape. By the way, I drive a 1992 Buick LeSabre with all the bells and whisltes..I love it, but it's time to give it up. Getting in and out of it, even though it's not really close to the ground, can be painful at times. And, I do love the isolation it has afforded me. If only I could afford one now. I want to thank you very much for your input. It really helps to put all of this stuff into perspective. Thanks again.
    Kandyr
  • drive62drive62 Member Posts: 637
    By the way, I drive a 1992 Buick LeSabre with all the bells and whisltes..I love it, but it's time to give it up. Getting in and out of it, even though it's not really close to the ground, can be painful at times. And, I do love the isolation it has afforded me. If only I could afford one now.

    Have you priced a Buick (what would be the equivalent now to the LeSabre, Lucerne?). Maybe when new they might be out of your price range, but like most domestics they depreciate like a rock. You can probably pick up a one or two year old Buick for 60% of it's original price. Since entry to the vehicle is important what about a Buick SUV or Crossover. A used Rendezvous might fit the bill. I admit I'm not up on my Buicks.
  • pisulinopisulino Member Posts: 78
    For what you looking for, perphas the Santa Fe will be the smoother ride of all....
    Haven't tested the new Mitsu Outlander.

    All others are a bit of bumpy due to the harder suspension. Remember that some of the Small SUVs are built for some off-roading (suzuki and others).
    The Santa Fe seems to be smooth for city driving purposes.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Let me chime in here. As an ex Escape owner.. My 01 Escape XLT V6 4WD lasted over 70,000 miles with no problems. I used it to tow two watercraft and visit my favorite fishing/skiing spots in the Cascade mountains here in the North West. My wife owns an 04 Mazda Tribute ES V6 4WD with over 30,000 trouble free miles and it is also used to tow and visit the Mountains for skiing/fishing. Check the MSN reliability data and it will show you the Escape is every bit as reliable as a CRV. Plus, you can actually bargain with a Ford dealer and get a lower price/financing than a comparably equipped CRV. Go with the Ford/Mazda/Mercury.. you won't be dissappointed.
  • midwesttradermidwesttrader Member Posts: 291
    Plus, you can actually bargain with a Ford dealer and get a lower price/financing than a comparably equipped CRV.

    Scape get out on the net and check your facts. Many people, including myself are successful in bargaining with Honda dealers. I bought a CR-V EX AWD with auto transmission and about $300 in Honda accessories for right at $22K. MSRP for all that was $24,362. How can you possibly say they won't deal?
  • crvme3crvme3 Member Posts: 140
    Ditto... I am in complete agreement with midwesttrader, Honda dealers will deal? remind us all they just like everyone else are in the business to sell cars. I don't really understand why people seem to take the salespersons word on price as "gospel" make offer, salesperson counters - the game begins! it's not that difficult. if they won't play go somewhere else that will. I got over $900 off our CRV EX-L just by doing this! (and this was back at beginning of Dec. '06 when demand was high & supply low) IMO you should be able to do even better now. Just my thoughts...
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    a correction.. my wife actually reminded me we had 75,000 trouble free miles on our Escape.. :shades:
  • dromedariusdromedarius Member Posts: 307
    You should have held on to your Escape and put a few miles on it to see if the quality is improving! Life, at least in a Honda, hasn't really begun until after 100,000 miles!

    :shades:

    PS - What did you get for your Escape when you had to get rid of it???
  • drive62drive62 Member Posts: 637
    You guys must be new (or at least new to this discussion). Despite literally thousands of posts from Honda buyers to the contrary right here on Edmunds, someone keeps insisting that everyone pays MSRP for their Honda.
  • crvme3crvme3 Member Posts: 140
    drive62 - I am not clear on your message. Are you indicating that my post (#8190) states everyone pays MSRP?... If so, read it again... believe me quite the contrary
  • drive62drive62 Member Posts: 637
    The poster you replied to is the one I refer to. I'm pretty familiar with how Honda's can be had for a good deal, I'm going on 20 years of owning Honda vehicles.
  • crvme3crvme3 Member Posts: 140
    Cool... thanks for clearing that up.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    Well, we're just feeding the bear with every reply to that poster when we tell the truth that Honda dealers DO deal, and that sweeping assumptions made by someone who hasn't recently dealt with a Honda dealer do not help anyone involved.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    I was given $11,000 for trade in at a dealership. Paid $21,800 and paid .9% interest over a 4 year loan. It was an XLT V6 with tow pkg, power, tint, 6CD, roof rack, side step bars, A/C very well optioned.

    I post that my Escape went 75,000 trouble free miles. My wifes Tribute ES V6 has 30,000 trouble free miles. See a pattern here? I get the normal Honda response. "Should have gone 150, million miles" Blah, Blah.. response. Fact is the Escape/Tribute is every bit as reliable as a CRV. Just live with it can you?
    As far as pricing. Get out on the net and read other chat rooms. It is no secret that Honda products are more expensive upfront and in financing than Ford products. This is a no brainer. Trying to convince folks they aren't doesn't bode well for your reputation. ;) By the way, why is it "feeding the bears" when a Ford person arrives? :sick:
  • crvme3crvme3 Member Posts: 140
    scape2 try to keep things in perspective. Your comment ""feeding the bears" when a Ford person arrives?, you have to understand Honda owners are a loyal bunch & after all you are on a HONDA CHAT FORUM!!! so some anomosity towards your Ford is just human nature. Your escape went 75K! did something major happens at that mileage? if so then you will have to admit this is a little premature. IMHO Ford,GM have to be willing to deal & go the extra mile ... Why? because they are both in very serious financial trouble. Why do you suppose that is?. I am of the opinion that Honda owners buy for the long haul, & typically keep their vehicles around 10+ years (pass them down to the kids etc.) So yes we pay a little more up front, but do so gladly with the knowledge that Honda Motor company is financially sound & will be around for years to come!. Our 1st Honda '77 accord (bought used) sold in '87 with 209K miles no major repairs. 2nd '85 Prelude (bought used) sold '01 with 247K miles no major repairs. 3rd. '92 accord (bought new) sold in '04 110K miles no major repairs. 4th. '00 Civic (bought new/still have) with 66K no major repairs (yet) 5th '07 CRV (bought new/still have) & I am sure this mileage/repair ratio will continue. So if your Escape works for you thats fantastic, but as previously stated if you talk about your Escape on a Honda forum be prepared for a little flak. :)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,188
    By the way... This isn't necessarily a Honda chat forum.. It is just linked to the CR-V discussion..

    It actually resides on the SUV board..

    regards,
    kyfdx

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