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Yeah, and this is why the oil filter location has changed and was changed the next model?? Honda covered this one up in grand style! :surprise:
If Honda changed the filter location, then I would have believed you that it was a cover up on Honda's side. But, the defect was in a maintenance item, oil filter. There is no need to change the filter location, or anything else, as long as the new oil filter has a gasket that does not stick, or the oil changer makes sure that the old gasket has come off.
By the way, if you ever changed the oil on your dearly departed Escape, you would have known that the oil filter on the Escape is right above the HOT exhaust manifold connector/joiner part. The hottest part of the exhaust system. If Ford had a bad filter supplier, it would have had a higher chance of catching on fire than CR-V.
Every time I change oil in the Escape, I have to wipe the oil off the manifold to make sure that it does not catch on fire when I start her up. It smells like burnt oil for a week or two, while burning off oil embedded in the manifold. Talk about engineering disaster...
Instead of spewing misinformation on the web, get under the cars you talk about, at least once in a while.
Every time I change oil in the Escape, I have to wipe the oil off the manifold to make sure that it does not catch on fire when I start her up. It smells like burnt oil for a week or two, while burning off oil embedded in the manifold. Talk about engineering disaster...
Very true. I'll add that our '96 civic and several other I4 engines I've changed oil on were laid out the same way though. Ford is not the only manufacturer guilty of this mind you.
I was actually guilty of leaving the gasket on after an oil change on the Civic. The gasket was fused to the filter spindle and I never noticed it. Needless to say, oil spewed all over the road and the bottom of the engine that day. I think I made it about 2-3 miles before the oil light came on and I had to pull over. Kind of scary but I've never had that problem with any Ford or Toyota engines I've changed the oil on. Maybe Honda needs to cool their engines down better across the board? In the Civic you needed to be above 3500 RPM to go anywhere so the oil and engine were always boiling.
That's a bit harsh. We can certainly disagree with each other but kinder gentler is the preferred approach.
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That's a bit harsh. We can certainly disagree with each other but kinder gentler is the preferred approach.
Yeah, let's swap "spewing" for sharing?
Let's also do a little research before posting things we may not know about.
I imagine some readers take what is posted here as gospel as opposed to what it really is, so let's be a little respectful of them. (It really is a group of car junkies of varying degrees who like to discuss and debate different vehicles, their problems, and solutions to those problems, IMO).
Agreed. But let's not scare them off with harsh rhetoric.
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I'd rather not call it "harsh rhetoric." Let's call it verbal intimidation. LOL
Tongue-in-cheek, of course.
Good evening, all.
Thegrad
That's a bit harsh. We can certainly disagree with each other but kinder gentler is the preferred approach.
tidester, host
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All right, I am sorry. I may have chosen rather harsh words, but... certain someone keeps harping on and on about a "design defect" when his "infallable" Ford is just as guilty of the same design. Yet, he chooses not to mention it, or is competley unaware of the fact.
Humans put these things together so I personally don't find it surprising that things like this happen. Thousands of dollars would be added to the price of these things if the manufacturers were to inspect each one for defects, fix those defects, and therefore almost guarantee perfection from the factory. I can honestly say I'm OK with the way things are done currently.
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It seems the WP doesn't necessarily believe Honda's excuse which is reasonable IMO. As I said previously, I had a gasket stick on me during a change and didn't notice it. The filter with the gasket that stuck was installed by a quickie lube place and I doubt it stuck because of the chemical makeup of the rubber or else we probably would have heard of it.
That was 75,000 miles which equates to about 6 years. At what point can you make a definitive statement about durability?
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That works out to about 15 years and I'll concede that you will know much sooner that if the vehicle is not durable.
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On the other hand, my '03 ZX2, which I hastily traded away at 18,000 miles a couple years ago, was ALREADY having problems with its transmission. Despite the fact that I've known several people who have logged heavy miles on little Escorts, I suppose I could say all Escorts are garbage. But I won't.
i have made sure i live not too far from work.
have any guys bought a new cr-v? the escape plays to a wider audience.
i have made sure i live not too far from work.
The folks live 13 miles from work, and ride together (work at the same place). It's not that far really, by my standards (I drive 14 miles to school 4 days a week). Having had a condo 300 miles away on the gulf coast meant they were driving the 600 mile trip every other weekend since 2004, hence the rapid mileage buildup.
Yet, the fact that mine has not caught on fire means nothing to you??
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My wife and I recently bought a 2007 Mercury Mariner, the same vehicle as the Escape. It's the Premier model and stickered at 26k. We're both around 50 so ride, entry/exit and comfort are important to us too.
As for ride, it's very smooth on smooth roads but can get a little "jouncy" on bumpier pavement. It's only a 103" wheelbase.
Entry/exit... our last vehicle was a 2003 Saturn Vue and it was excellent for entry/exit. One of the best SUVs in that regard. The Mariner is a little higher to step in and out but still not difficult.
My main complaint with the V6 Mariner is MPG. I'm sure the CRV would have it beat. The Mariner/Escape should have a 5sp auto but only has a 4sp. The 4cyl Escape with a 5sp manual gets decent MPG if that's an option.
Unless an SUV type vehicle is a must, there are other alternatives for comfort, space, mpg and ease of entry. The Mazda 5 and the Kia Rondo to name two.
The Escapes issue was incorrectly installed or missing gaskets at the point of manufacture. Completely different.
I think you are trying to twist it into an installation error which is not what I was arguing. The problem originated at the factory for both and that's all I'm saying. You guys can blame the oil changers all you want but the fact still remains that Honda put a bad part on the CR-V and didn't care enough about the customer to recall them.
This is a huge double standard that exists.. some don't see it.. are refuse to see it?? :shades:
Why are we continuing with this?
tidester, host
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This is a huge double standard that exists.. some don't see it.. are refuse to see it??
There is a HUGE difference when a maintenance item is faulty. Something that is only going to be on the car for 5000 miles, as opposed to a lifetime items such as ABS module, or the rear bearing hubs.
Honda did issue an order for the dealers to replace all filter on the incoming CR-V's with the redesigned ones.
Even if they issued a recall, what would it be for? Oil filter recall? By the time fires were happening the faulty filters have already been removed. I don't see logic in recalling something that has alredy been removed. Do you?
Sometimes I wonder if logic is truly a gift only a few posess.
The smartest corporations, imo, are the ones who blog about all their internal goings-on; if there's a screw-up somewhere, better that we learn about it from the company and have the employees tell us what they are doing about the problem. When we know the people running the corporation, we tend to trust their actions more (and we become more forgiving of the inevitable screw-ups as well).
And yeah, I read the recent Wired article about radical transparency the other day (link).
GM seems to have the right idea - they did the "make your own Chevy commercial" and let the obnoxious ones stay up and their FastLane Blog is pretty well known. I don't know if Honda or Ford blogs for public consumption or not, but if they do, they need to get the word out better.
On the other hand, Honda didn't want to take responsibility for something that shouldn't have been an issue with a competent oil changer. I understand that, and it's why I don't take my car to Jiffy Lube or Wal-Mart to get my oil changed.
I'm down with that. However seeing that they blamed the problem on a faulty part they should have owned up to it more IMO. Notifying oil changers should have only been part of the solution. Notifying owners too would have been the best action to take especially after seeing CR-Vs catch fire after the oil changers were instructed to be careful.
So I read they were screwed on too tight, a host showed us where it might have been the rubber of the gasket itself, and now you are telling us it was the sea air during shipment. Which was it? Or are there more excuses that exonerate Honda and somehow excuse them from protecting their customers better? :P
Anyone cross-shopping lately?
Fires caused due to exposure during shipping
I'll still take our Explorer over any of these small utes. The gas mileage is the only weakness about it but I don't mind. It is an extremely comfortable and useful vehicle to have in the garage. I say this as a father of two. If not for that then the smaller utes are the way to go IMO.
1) Safely
2) Efficiently
Honda has always gotten this. Maybe America is STARTING to catch on!
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BTW, our 2005 CR-V got 26 MPG on our last tank (all-time high is 29.5 MPG). And my 2001 Chevy Prizm got 39 MPG. My oldest knows we only drive in "Mama's car", though, although I'm willing to bet he doesn't know it's because it's the one with all the airbags.
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I don't either drom, but my wife drives the family vehicle so she gets to pick. We've sat in and drove minivans and wagons and she just will not own one. I really like both so it's a point of tension when time to shop for the new family hauler unfortunately.
Not to mention the superior safety and fuel economy.
I'll give you the fuel economy but the safety is a toss up IMO. Especially if you live in an area that gets snow 5 months of the year as we do.