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-juice
I expect it to go up by a dime before next week. The barrel price seems to be up lately...due to China, disruptions, blah-blah-blah, SOS...
Rocky
Let me know when ACTUAL supply or demand changes enough to warrant these fluctuations.
$2.59 for 87
The most I paid for premium during the last gouge was about $3.30, in rural eastern WA. Think we'll beat it this year? At this rate, we'll be there in not too long.
Then I filled the '04 Camry with 15.36 gallons for a total of $37.31. At least I went 499.6 miles since the last fillup -- 32.5 mpg.
I can't imagine filling up a large SUV's tank!
Oh wait.. that would drive up the price at the pump because we'd be putting upward pressure on the market. Now I'm torn. Do I want to make money in the market and whine about prices increasing for no reason, or do I want prices to settle based on actual supply and demand at the pumps???
Isn't it AMAZING how that news of the record surpluses (I heard that news too) seemed to have NO effect on prices because only bad news (or what's twisted into bad news) seems to affect things?
Seriously, I'm getting SO tired of the "this is the end of the world" reaction to everything. And not just around gas prices.... sigh
Too bad it's an hour away from me. I do fill up every time I go out there, though.
-juice
-juice
I'm STILL spending more per month on milk - not groceries, just milk- than I am for gas for my car that I put about 8,000 miles per year on.
Am I happy that prices are up at the pump? No sir! But my take on WHY they're up seems to be a bit different than a lot of folks. I just cringe when I hear someone say that they're going to top off today before another price jump. Guaranteed way to put a bit of a spike in demand if you ask me.
For instance, diesel cost less to refine, yet federal taxes are higher, so the fuel ends up costing more. It should be cheaper. In Brazil, diesel costs HALF the price of gasoline, for instance.
And then there are all the loopholes for big/heavy trucks, like the Hummer H2. Those numbers don't count in the CAFE totals for GM, which is absurd. They're being purchased and used by consumers. In other places taxes go according to engine displacement.
The whole system is rigged the wrong way.
-juice
That is because they are insignificant in the scope of vehicles sold. First two months this Yr, H2 sold 2179 vehicles. The Civic sold nearly 50,000 in those two months. I can handle 2179 more Hummers on the roads than 50k more Civics. I would say on average each of those Civics will be driven way more than the H2s. If you drive your Civic 3 times as many miles as the average H2 that is the same amount of gas used. I would rather have a productive business man driving a Hummer than a teenager in a Civic.
The price of milk or gas is of less concern to me than water. If the powers that be can put a gun to your head and make you pay more for water per month than gas for you car, that is a problem. You see they force you to cap off your irrigation wells and go on public water. Then they raise the price to where you cannot afford to irrigate your trees. The trees die and less CO2 is absorbed. Then you have to sell your land to a developer that builds 400 condominiums where once you had a nice orchard of citrus trees. Each one of those people buy a stinking little Civic and pollute way more than the PU truck and tractor that used to reside on that land. Makes paying a few bucks more to drive 3000 miles per month unimportant. At least to me it does. We are all getting squeezed by regulations and government controls. I don't want to see anymore.
I would rather have a productive business man driving a Civic.
james
Hopefully that does not catch on with the business people of America. Our trade balance is already out of control. Maybe a Malibu or Impala that gets decent mileage. I just cannot wean myself from driving a PU truck. I wish they built them with small diesel engines that would get 30-40 MPG. Not likely with our outdated regulations.
The rising prices tick me off too, especially because of the way pricing seems to be determined in the futures market (not a big fan of panic)... but it's a close race with the "woe is us" sentiment that gets whipped up about everything anymore.
As for that H2, james nailed it.
And look at trucks in general, now the majority of the market, and getting all kinds of breaks that cars don't get. The laws were put in place to give breaks to work/fleet trucks, to keep the cost of doing business down, not for soccer moms to take their kids to the mall in these behemoths.
-juice
-juice
me: Most individuals don't even drive 1/2 that. Higher prices are going to get people to think whether they can reduce the amount they drive (Please we don't need to get into anyone's personal reasons). Just consider why you're driving so much, and others aren't. You can also save a lot on maintenance by driving less.
You're right there. My 2005 GMC PU is still under 2000 miles. I bought it the end of June. I did put 7700 miles on a new Passat TDI bought in April of last year. The Lexus did not go 1000 miles all year. I'm still waiting for high gas prices to alleviate the traffic. So far it has not worked.
years ago, i used to commute 35 miles one way to work. after a while, i decided i didn't want to spend that much time in a car on a regular basis.
regular gas still 2.59x x=9.
Amarillo Tx. $2.53 Ouch !!!!!
I'm feeling it in my pocket book. :mad:
Rocky
In San Diego it just the opposite. Shell is usually 20-35 cents higher than BP/ARCO. Shell is taxed higher in CA due to it's foreign origin.