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Trish
I have a 2004 Tibby and it has 28,000 to 29,000 miles on it. also like you when we took the car to the dealership they said the warrantee ran out on it. I was wondering what is the TSB is and how can I get the dealers to replace my clutch under this TSB thing? please reply
I assumed it was the spare wheel, tools or jack rattling but even after removing those as well as unscrewing and removing the plastic lining from either side of the spare wheel well the noise remained. I also tried lodging some cloth into the gap between the tailgate and the opening to see if it was that but to now avail.
Before I rip the whole back end to pieces, has anyone had the same problem and managed to solve it yet?
I assumed it was the spare wheel, tools or jack rattling but even after removing those as well as unscrewing and removing the plastic lining from either side of the spare wheel well the noise remained. I also tried lodging some cloth into the gap between the tailgate and the opening to see if it was that but to now avail.
Before I rip the whole back end to pieces, has anyone had the same problem and managed to solve it yet?
I have some suggestions :
First: if you suspect the rattles are comming from the trunk lid rubber seal, then drive your car with the trunk partially open. In order to check clearly, you have to drive at night in a quiet place. If the rattles disappear, you can adjust the height of "trunk lid rubber fastener(stopper)" in order to secure the closing of the lid.
It looks like a rubber cylinder with 1/2" dia. Two of them are located in right and left ends of trunk. You may put a thin layer of silicon grease(a few bucks at autozone) around the rubber lid, not the rubber fastener.
Second, if you think the rattle comes from somewhere else, I probably search the sunroof first. This was my case. First, I thought that the rattling sounds came from the rear end. Later I figured out that the sunroof and its operating machanism were the culprits. If you drive hard or drive in a rough road condition, your car will endure a tremendous amount of stress; which leads to deformation of the weakest part of chassis. If you see some uneven gap between the sunroof rubber seals and the roof opening, this is the indication that you need to see the sunroof.
After opening the inner roof penel, you see the power sunroof mechanism. It weights more than 50lbs in my case. In a quiet environment, by twisting each part individually, you can point out the culprit. In my case, the dual steel tubes and its rubber seals(which attach to the drainage) were rubbing each other. The rubber seals were already deformed so that they caused sequeaking sounds whenever I twisted the dual steal tubes.
Finally, the tire pressure is very important. If a tire pressure is set too high, the car body tends to twist more because your tires tend to absorb less road imperfections.
The best way to measure tire pressure is as follows:
1. buy a dial tire pressure gauge with pressure release button and a portable tire pump. I bought them for less than 20 bucks at walmart 2 or so years ago.
2. measure tire pressue in the morning before driving.
inflate or deflate according to the manufacture recommendation. The recommended tire pressure should be re calibrated according to the ambient temperature. If your manufacture recommended tire pressure is 32psi and the ambient temperature is 70 degree, you can put 32psi. If the ambient temp drops down to 60, put 31psi. If 50F, put 30psi. After driving a while, you will see the tire pressure increases by upto 4-5 psi. You can feel the point that the chassis can't deal with too high tire pressure. High tire pressure is good for your mpg but bad for your chassis rigidity.
I have some suggestions :
First: if you suspect the rattles are coming from the trunk lid rubber seal, then drive your car with the trunk partially open. In order to check clearly, you have to drive at night in a quiet place. If the rattles disappear, you can adjust the height of "trunk lid rubber fastener(stopper)" in order to secure the closing of the lid.
It looks like a rubber cylinder with 1/2" dia. Two of them are located in right and left ends of trunk. You may put a thin layer of silicon grease(a few bucks at autozone) around the rubber lid, not the rubber fastener.
Second, if you think the rattle comes from somewhere else, I probably search the sunroof first. This was my case. First, I thought that the rattling sounds came from the rear end. Later I figured out that the sunroof and its operating mechanism were the culprits. If you drive hard or drive in a rough road condition, your car will endure a tremendous amount of stress; which leads to deformation of the weakest part of chassis. If you see small uneven gaps between the sunroof rubber seals and the roof opening, this is the indication that you need to see the sunroof.
After opening the inner roof panel, you see the power sunroof mechanism. It weights more than 50lbs in my case. In a quiet environment, by twisting each part individually, you can point out the culprit. In my case, the dual steel tubes and its rubber seals(which attach to the drainage) were rubbing each other. The rubber seals were already deformed so that they caused squeaking sounds whenever I twisted the dual steal tubes. When you put back the roof panel, be sure to all the spacers and fasteners are located correctly and functioning well.
Finally, the tire pressure is very important. If a tire pressure is set too high, the car body tends to twist more because your tires tend to absorb less road imperfections.
The best way to measure tire pressure is as follows:
1. buy a dial tire pressure gauge with pressure release button and a portable tire pump. I bought them for less than 20 bucks at walmart 2 or so years ago.
2. measure tire pressure in the morning before driving.
inflate or deflate according to the manufacture recommendation.
I do this every two or three weeks. The recommended tire pressure should be re calibrated according to the ambient temperature. If your manufacture recommended tire pressure is 32psi and the ambient temperature is 70 degree, you can put 32psi. If the ambient temp drops down to 60, put 31psi. If 50F, put 30psi. After driving a while, you will see the tire pressure increases by up to 4-5 psi. You can feel the point that the chassis can't deal with too high tire pressure. High tire pressure is good for your mpg but bad for your chassis rigidity. We need some compromise between them.
I wonder why they didn't do the whole car in-house?
Regardless, I hope the dealership takes care of you. If not, then go to a different dealership and give them a piece of your mind.
That being a Hyundai Tiburon that you are a more valid part of while driving. You will control the pace of your drive, much more in tune with what you want at all times.
Have them give you a manual transmission Tiburon, OK? You will own and drive the reliable, fun shark-mobile that you always wanted in the first place.
The Hyundai Tiburon is arguably the best looking sport coupe for sale in the marketplace right now.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Thanks,
Todd
Both are sharp looking, the Tib looks better on the outside but the new Civic interior/dash is top notch.
The Civic gets about 10mpg more.
The Tib has a kick [non-permissible content removed] warranty.
They are both comforatble, the Tib steering wheel hits my inner right leg where as the Civ's Exmergency brake pokes me in my knee.
I've driven them both, even though the civic seems to have a nudge more get up and go, the Tin handles the road better...
The prices are near identical, after reading these forums it seems like both vehicles have little compaints except "noises" that never can get fixed right...
I would love to get opinions from owners for both camps as I am looking to purchase in the next 2 days (new job, need something very reliable)...
I appreciate your time
Is this a corporate decision to challenge repairing, or do you think it is the local dealership? Did you try another dealer.
I would imagine he pays a lot for insurance. Celicas, Stangs,Civics, Corollas, etc all have high insurance. I am over 50 and still would pay a pretty fair chunk of change for insurance.
Unless a young person has a pretty good income, I would say a Tiburon, or any small sporty car, is going to be a luxury, as in too expensive for the common man.
-Loren
-Loren
The dealerships are noting but a nuisance.
Give a good reason I should love Hyundai?
-Mel
There are many folks with tiburons, who have had issues with the dealers not wanting to cover the warrenty because they are, 1 hurting for money or 2. lazy......find you another dealer to have work on your sons car. Both Honda and Hyundai are good cars.....go with what you feel is better suited for you and your lifestyle.
Consumer's Guide provided this knowledge:
NHTSA Recall History
2002-03: Fuel tank assembly valve may not close properly; in a rollover, fuel spillage may occur.
2002-03: Valve on fuel tank assembly may not close properly; if vehicle rolls over and valve is not closed, fuel spillage may occur.
2005: Threaded portions of steering gearbox inner ball joint assemblies may contain internal cracks; breakage would lead to loss of steering control of one wheel, whose tie rod assembly would no longer be attached.
-Loren
There is a class action suit in regards to the clutch on the 2003 model GT. While it appears to be a defect, and thus may indeed end up being covered, it is not a normally covered item. Check most any brand of car for clutch pads and they are not included, due to it being something you could burn out in a short time. It appears, if the suit is correct, they had a manufacturing problem though. And if that is the case, there should have been a recall and a fix with no hassle. To that regard, I am a little disappointed with Hyundai. When you look on the Net for other suits though you realize people have problems with every car company it seems. I don't know these days if any car is perfect or any company is 100% easy to deal with.
The warranty is posted on the website, which is a good thing. So people can see what items may in fact NOT be included. Like a battery may be say 3 yrs.
If you ever find a good dealership, that is a blessing. A good salesman, dealership and car, priceless
I owned a Toyota bought from a gem of a salesman, good dealership, and the car ran with little fixing - priceless :shades:
-Loren
Is there another dealership which could do the work?
Did they pay anything on the clutch problem? Are you in on the class action lawsuit on this issue?
In reading all the posts of various forums on cars, you learn that every model seems to have some lemons. I know it doesn't help your pain too much to know you are not alone, but it sure does happen to all the makes. Hope that Hyundai area rep. can help you in some way. Have you tried to talk things over with them?
-Loren
I'd greatly appreciate the info because I want to know the potential of my car. I am not supposed to race it so I was certain someone here could give me the answer since someone here has bound to have found out.
How much more advantage does the 6-spd SE V6 have on the 4-cly 5 spd.?
You may also try a letter to corporate headquarters. Explain how they now have the opportunity to save a customer by replacing a faulty part, rather than driving one away. Word of mouth is a more powerful tool than ever in the age of Internet. (Do not point that out to corporations, by-the-way) They have lawyers which can spin this to mean you are engaged in corporate bashing on the Net. Just tell them, you wanted to start a good relationship with them, as does the whole family and friends. The more people they dis, the multiplying effect becomes somewhat of a cancer, like the Big Three in America have to deal with now, after years of screwing customers.
-Loren
I too am always looking for the next thing to buy and what is the best overall deal. Yeap, you get the dealership in with the deal. Especially when the car has problems, like the GM cars did back when..... hopefully better now. I am even considering a Lucerne, or Cadillac used car. Looked at Monte Carlos and none seem to have side air bags. It was like old package all the way. Best deal seems to be Hyundai. Like the Tib, the Sonata and the new Azera. Now the company I have not a clue about. Short term, the cars look reliable. I do know the Tib. in 2003 had some problem areas - avoid that year. But problems with parts distribution, and dealer attitude, I am not familiar with.
I do know that in GM the Cadillac and Buick line has the best reputation. The CTS would be the most fun to own; no doubt. Long term, like the Hyundai is the BIG question. Are these cars you want to keep more than three years?
Some GM have been good for three years, then self destruct. I think the Buick with the old V6 and the Northstar in the Caddy line are suppose to be good, as is the CTS 2.8 and 3.6 engine cars. In a couple years, a Cadillac Deville costs about the same used as a new Sonata V6 GLS. A used CTS a little more. But you get the idea. The normal Caddy owner is not going to kill one in a year or two, and is more likely to have service work done. You have a pretty prestigious car for the same price as a new V6 basic sedan. But the warranty???
Then I think of the good luck with Japan makes. Their pricing seems to run at to above the prices of the Hyundai cars with a V6 and top trim, for a basic Accord, Camry or even a Civic. Top line Civic is $20K and good ones are around $17,800. Nice cars, but you wonder about the greedy price tag. The Coupe looks cool. Actually, though not as cool as the Tiburon, it is right in there on the scale of top looks in new cars. Now do you pay $20K to $21,500 for an Accord or Camry in a four cylinder and go for reputation and resale, or do you go for the power and content of the Hyundai Sonata or even the Azera? Civic or Tiburon V6 for the same price? Good question. Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Nissan and such have had a good hold on the market, so resale is established and long term you know how they run. Do you chance buying something safe, powerful, more luxurious, with a long warranty, for less money? Or do you go back to what you know? Oh, you say what chance. Well how is the car really in several years. The engines are both brand new in the Sonata and Azera. The Tib. is a more of a known. How are the dealerships? Will the resale be better in the future?
The Tiburon is good in that there are fewer around. Most cars like the Civic are just so numerous, they are like seeing yet another refrigerator someone bought for the kitchen. The Accord has become an appliance. The Camry has a little more style. I must say the CTS was a shocker when I first saw it, and I still think it is so unique. I guess an Azera is too. Until they sell a few hundred in your city or county.
Oh BTW, the transmissions on the Hyundai appear to be the most expensive parts to replace. The suspension and such seem normal priced. Be sure you have the warranty in hand when getting a Tib. One thing good about GM and Ford is generally the parts cost less. A tranny, much less. The bad part is that they need to be replaced :P But seriously, my aunt bought a used Vic and it has served her well over time. And when the tranny finally gave up the ghost, it costs about half that of say a German or some Japan makes. Just have to be really careful which domestic car you get. Some are junk, or so blah, you wish they would die.
-Loren
so few bad tibbies shouldn't stop you from shopping hyundai.
click me Lots to read and be sure to at least scroll half the way down to charts and then cars in each group which are top three.
-Loren
Now, make up your own mind about what car you are going to buy. Hyundai has had a bad rep from the past, yes. But, they are attempting to improve it, regardless of the bad mouth it still gets. I get bashed for owning a tiburon, but it is from folks who are driving a 95 neon too. Chevy has had many recals on their cars, along with ford and chrysler, I don't see anyone talking bad about them. It is all in the manufacturing process, you have about 75 different companies (that are the lowest bidder) making your car. Like it or not, unless you spend 100K or better, expect it.
When you buy a used car and have problems like the one guys kid is experincing, this should tell ya a couple of things. The previous owner was an azz and should have never been behind the wheel of any car, and beat the hell out of it.
The tibby sales are low for many reasons, and the major one is there is very little advertising. The cars aftermarket community is all hardparts, created by many people contributing to the car, not hyundai.
Like I have stated before, do your research, and buy what tickles you fancy...who cares what others think.
Peace
I do love the car, but I guess I'm feeling insecure and second guessing myself. I run into people who actually cringe when I mention "Hyundia". I realize they have had a bad rep because of past failures, but from what I've read and from what I've heard (from mechanics) they have definitely improved.
I am fully aware of the clutch and flywheel problem that was prominent in the 03, and also aware the Hyundai is not fully accepting responsibility for the problem (hence the pending lawsuit)which makes me apprehensive. I'm praying that this WAS a problem and that they have since corrected it.
I am very excited about picking up my car on Thursday, but at the same time, feel like I'm taking a risk. Any reassurance, advice, comment, or warning will be truly appreciated...I can still back out. Thank you!!!
Could be the starter has a flat spot. Don't know about these fancy new cars.
Anyway look for the clutch requiring more and more to the floor before it is disengaged.
Let us know what happens in the end to this story.
-Loren
Enjoy the car. Let me know how the seats feel on a longer trip. Do they have lumbar support? And is it good and low on the support? Took one a short drive, but forgot how the seat support was. I did test the stick. Like the 6 sp, only slightly notchy, and pretty easy to use compared to some 6 sp. Clutch was OK. At the time I owned a Miata, so that is tough one to compare to. I would say it is good. The engine is really a nice purr, like you said, and seems relaxed on the road. Some sporty cars are too buzzy. Handling was good. Seems like a balance of grace, charm, luxury items, and lots of looks. A nice girl to have.
The best FWD test drive was in a Celica. Those are a bit buzzy, with barely enough HP. Plenty of road noise. That said, it has outstanding handling. It is like a go cart. The Tiburon is a more relaxed touring sport car. It weighs more and has all the safety goodies standard. While for sport the Celica is great, I think you may like the heavier if you compete for the roadway space with SUVs and trucks. In the looks department, no other car in its class compares. She is the beauty winner. Even the interior looks richer.
I would think over the automatic vs. stick, if warranty is a consideration. And also think of what other car would fit you as well, if any. Look at each element of a car and compare them. Weigh by what is most important to you. And beware of buy and then selling soon. For Hyundai to be the best deal, we are talking buy and hold. Be sure to pay cash. Do not make banks money and assume debt for anything which does not appreciate in value. Always check the insurance cost before buying a car. If too high for you, a Mazda6 may be something less expensive to insure. Maybe an Altima. The Monte Carlo is low insurance, but yeah, I know, it may not be your cup 'o tea.
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Let me know how ya like the car. Oh yeah, and the dealership. Remember they are part of the deal too.
-Loren
-Loren
He also noted that some of the customers who blew clutches had come out of Camaros and Mustangs.
Now, I trust this guy, he will call a bad design when he sees one, but his word was that FOR THEIR DEALERSHIP almost all of the clutch failures they had seen were abuse related.
This is a good dealership, too. I was in for an oil change and saw an Elantra with the engine torn down. If you know anything about Elantra 2.0L you know that this is not common. The young person driving the car didn't notice when the temp gauge pegged, the CES came on, the steam started blowing out of the hood (the engine got so hot the radiator literally melted. I saw it and couldn't believe it). She finally pulled over when the engine seized. The car had 59K miles on it and the thermostat had stuck. The antifreeze had never been changed. They were still trying to get Hyundai to cover at least part of the repair bill even though this was an obvious negligence issue on the part of the owner.
I only mention this to give insight into the integrity and quality of this dealer.
Thanks for the report on the Tiburon clutch thing, and the dealerships. Consumer Guide said they are looking into problems with the automatics shifting irregular on the 2003. Seems like most complaints are centered around this year. The clutch thing, I don't know. Yes, it is entirely possible hard use would be the only problem, but it is kinda strange it centered mostly around the 2003 year. This one, as quoted from ConsumersGuide-- 2005: Threaded portions of steering gearbox inner ball joint assemblies may contain internal cracks; breakage would lead to loss of steering control of one wheel, whose tie rod assembly would no longer be attached. --is a little scary :surprise:
For the most part, I think the Tiburon would be a solid car. Every car has an issue here or there, and a recall at some time. It is now one of the top three in JD Powers Initial Quality in its grouping.
It is so hard to find anything in a sporty coupe. What is left? Is the tC Scion a sport coupe, or a somewhat conservative, pleasing coupe. The Celica had the zip, both in style and handling. It is like only the Tib remains. If my back can take the punishment, I may get on some day. Not sure about the entry/exit and if there is enough lumbar support. Got to check those seats again.
-Loren
A Corvette is nice, yet they do need repairs from time to time, at great expence. The Tiburon is pretty good handling - GT class, as is touring. The Celica test drive I took, some time back, had the feel of a RWD -- almost.
New Tiburon to be RWD?
-Loren
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