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VW Touareg SUV

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  • I hope those mileage conversions/estimations are a bit off. For myself, I might accept 12 mpg from the V8, but not the V6. As for the V10, I really was excited about the prospect of 300+ hp and better than 20mpg. If reality proves to only be 17mpg I may have to reconsider my options.
  • rjr57rjr57 Posts: 7
    I have one of the marketing brochures, and the dashboard photo shows a paddle shifter behind the steering wheel on the left side. It's a European model (speedo in km). In the spec inserts that come with the brochure there is no reference to paddles, and there is a disclaimer stating some of what you see in the photos might be different in the U.S models.

    Also, many thanks to our Austrian friend tbreth for taking the time to share his observations. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the rear seat roominess and comfort level.
  • Yes, thanks to Tbreth and rjr for the quick answers and responses. Much appreciated. Does anyone out there have any personal experiences with driving the v-6 yet? I'm really wondering if this engine has enough get up and go for nearly 2 tons. Thanks in advance.
  • idletaskidletask Posts: 171
    Unfortunately, no, my conversions are dead accurate, or else it means that my HP 48GX has fooled me for an incalculable number of years :)

    Remember that these mileages were obtained:
    1. from non broken in vehicles,
    2. in the hand of automotive journalists,
    3. including performance measurements.

    This magazine is dead on when it comes to driving vehicles the way they're normally driven (except for performance measurements - not everybody measures the kilometer from a standstop), and this is why it's my ultimate reference when I look for a car. They obtained a mileage of 29.1 mpg for the 330d but I do 35 with mine, so again it all depends on your driving style.

    And the paltry mileage for the V6 is easily explained: this engine is already a gas pig in other VW models (Phaeton, Golf R32, Passat) and here it has more than 2 tons to move, added to the fact that the auto is constantly hunting gears due to the serious lack of torque.
  • Wasn't suggesting that you couldn't operate a calculator (thanks for that btw).... more like I was hoping for some inaccuracies from the reporting source or someother contributing factors (like you described) that may have contributed to poor mileage figures.

    Now I'm really hoping the V10 comes here and soon.
  • tbrethtbreth Posts: 8
    As to the prive list I found on the internet and to the articels I read about the Touareg, yes, the shifters are an option, available to all Touaregs with automatic transmission.

    Concerning roominess and comfort in the second row, I have to say that even behind me ( I ussually sit very far backwards as I am quite big and like to have my legs not crmaped) I could sit in the back seat. I would touch the front seat a little bit but not too much, so I could even sit there for some time. The back row has a center and two side air outtakes which is more than usual. With the 4C air condition the back row can even adjust the temperature individually (but thats an option). So as a conclusion: Very good sitting for two, the third in the middle is a little bit worse, as usual.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I was wondering if the rear seats can be moved forward and back, like the rear seats in some other SUV's. Also, how flat do the fold down when you want the extra storage space?
  • tbrethtbreth Posts: 8
    As far is I know (please don't be to angry if wrong because it did not interest me too much) the seats are not sliding.

    Concerning folding down the rear seats as to what I saw from photos they folded down fully and on one photo there was some angle left (not much) so I suppose from the number of photographs that they rather fold down totally.
  • kmhkmh Posts: 143
    From what I saw on the VW site, the rear seats folded pretty flat though I don't believe they do have any forward or rear adjustment.
  • The seats can fold two ways...either dropping the backrest to a near-flat fold...or if flatness is a must, you can remove the headrests, flip the seat portion up, then fold the backrest down giving a full-flat cargo area.

    As for Marketplace dealers...I am one of the lucky ones whose local VW dealers has always been very good, with friendly sales staff and excellent service. A few years ago, they became one of the first Marketplace dealers, and they are quite a bit more than nice sofas.

    Gunther Volkswagen of Coconut Creek has a huge 4-lane wide, 8 bay deep service lane, 40+ bay indoor garage facility for the service department, and beautiful showroom. Sales experience includes receptionist in the center to greet all incoming, coffee and tea bar with cafe tables, and a sales staff with excellent knowledge of every vehicle. They are friendly and courteous. Service is the same, and includes washing your car when serviced, rentals on site for all warranty work, and courtesy vans. They are easily equipped to service $40-$70K cars to a level those buyers will be satisfied with...better than anything I have yet experienced from my local Mercedes dealer or Acura dealer, and at least on par with the best I have seen from Lexus.

    I have driven the Cayenne this past weekend just to get a first taste of the vehicle...it certainly drives more sports-car-like than the Touareg will...but is roomy in all 4 positions, comfortable from the driver's seat, and looks capable off road (again, not as much as the Touareg will).

    For those looking to cross shop X5s, MLs, GX450s, and the like, you will find the Touareg to be a more luxurious vehicle, with more cargo and passenger room than all but the Lexus, and on-road handling and comfort the equal of any of them.

    For those looking to off-road, the Touareg will simply put the others to shame. It is in a league previously reserved for a rare handful of vehicles...Range Rover, Hummer H1, and older Land Cruisers. On vwvortex, I was asked to compare the off-road prowess of the Touareg to the Hummer H2, which is not too likely to be cross shopped by too many people, but has a certain off-road image which makes it appear capable of anything (it is not). It was very interesting to do the research...with information provided by each manufacturer's own spec sheets:

    1) Max ground clearance -
    VW - 11.8”
    H2 - 10.7”
    ADVANTAGE: VW

    2) Max approach angle -
    VW - 28 degrees
    H2 - 40.4 degrees
    ADVANTAGE: H2

    3) Max departure angle -
    VW - 28 degrees
    H2 - 39.6 degrees
    ADVANTAGE: H2

    4) BREAKOVER ANGLE
    VW - 29.4 degrees
    H2 - 25.8 degrees
    ADVANTAGE: VW

    5) Max center ground clearance angles -
    VW - 11.8”
    H2 - 9.4”
    ADVANTAGE: VW

    6) In-cab adjustable tire pressure -
    VW - no (may be optional)
    H2 - no (may be optional)
    ADVANTAGE: DRAW

    7) Locking differentials -
    VW - center and rear separately
    H2 - center and rear separately
    ADVANTAGE: DRAW

    8) Transfer case with high and low -
    VW - yes
    H2 - yes
    ADVANTAGE: DRAW

    9) Visibility while off road -
    VW - excellent (thin pillars, low hoodline, good
    greenhouse area, small frontal section)
    H2 - poor (high beltline, small greenhouse, high frontal
    area, large A, B, and C pillars, poor rear visibility
    ADVANTAGE: VW

    10) Max water fording depth -
    VW - 23”
    H2 - 20”
    ADVANTAGE: VW

    11) Hill descent and ascent controls -
    VW - yes - crawl 36:1
    H2 - yes - crawl 33:1
    ADVANTAGE: VW

    12) Max grade percentage -
    VW - 45 degrees
    H2 - 45 degrees
    ADVANTAGE: DRAW

    13) Max cross grade performance (i.e. sideways on a hill) -
    VW - 35 degrees
    H2 - 37 degrees
    ADVANTAGE: Draw

    14) TOWING CAPACITY
    VW - 7700 Lbs.
    H2 - 6500 Lbs.
    ADVANTAGE: VW
  • Thanks - great post. Sounds like your dealer is really first-rate. This would take away a lot of the concern over buying a first-year model.

    From the pictures I've seen I certainly like the Touareg's looks better than the Cayenne (and I would not even consider the H2, for many reasons). And the VW's pricing appears to be way more affordable - it seems like you get a LOT more for your money. The performance stats and sports car handling - the only advantages that stand out in favor of the Cayeene - are not worth this much price premium, IMO. I would think most others will come to the same conclusion and will result on the Touareg outselling the Cayenne by a large margin (5-1 perhaps?). The Touareg seems to do everything very well, and if you don't go too crazy on the option list, it look like you'll be able to buy a very capable SUV for the money.
  • The Touareg should certainly sell on its own merits - great features, luxury, very attractive, capable off-road, and competitive price. VW being much more mass market and having far better dealership coverage within the United States will ensure that the Touareg should cleanly outsell the Porsche.

    However, don't underestimate the power of the nametag in those places which do have Porsche dealerships. There will be very strong sales of the Cayenne in the U.S. Despite very strong criticism by Porschephiles when news of the first Porsche SUV started spreading, those selfsame Porschephiles are the ones hunting at the local dealerships waiting for news about the debut. I guess they changed their tune, and figured if you are a Porsche owner and you need a larger family car to go with your 911, what better than one from the same manufacturer? Porsche marketers were insightful enough to see that potential...not to mention all of the Porsche Club and vintage racing folk who will go crazy for the Cayenne as a tow and support vehicle for their 356s and 550s.

    Touaregs do seem like the better vehicle. For one thing, VW still uses better materials and has slightly higher fit and finish than Porsche...even owners of 911 Turbos complain that the interior design and materials is not of very high caliber. In many a European car magazine, you can find reviews of Mercedes, Alfa Romeo, Rover, and other marques which compare the interiors against the Golf or Passat as the standard-bearers, and rarely do they feel the competition measures up. In my opinion, the Cayenne interior looks a bit plastic...the grains are not optimally chosen, the center stack looks messy, the steering wheel is not well designed, and the dash material looks too shiny. The Touareg on the other hand uses the excellent matted, textured rubberlike plastic used on most of their current models, with excellent grain matching, and smooth teutonic design cohesiveness and luxurious materials.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    Out of the box, I think the Touareg still has an issue off-road -- lack of suspension articulation. It is my understanding that they are working on a model that will let you disconnect the anti-sway bars. That would greatly improve its articulation. As it is now, it's way too easy to lift a tire off the ground, and a tire in the air doesn't give you any traction...
  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    1. H2 uses a nice electric gear-based locker i think. VW uses a clutch-based locker & center diff, which are weaker and relatively high-maintenance...just look at Acura MDX's rear clutch-based differential...do not last long if you use it often.

    2. H2 ground clearance is static...ALWAYS the same. VW has all-independent, so it's ground clearance changes with terrain. In addition, don't forget that about the clearance of the CONTROL ARMS of the independent suspension! Those control arms are lower and may drag in off-roading.

    3. Wheel articulation is far superior in the H2 or any other solid-axle SUV. VW has a car suspension with car-like wheel travel.

    4. Breakover angle on the H2 with rear air suspension is around 27-29 degrees.

    5. How about strength and durability of a solid rear axle...and not to mention the superior wheel articulation???

    6. How about the risk of electronic failure of the air suspension of the Touareg?? If this fails, the VW is no better than an X5. BTW, it is very possible to have these electronic suspension go bad...just ask Range Rover owners. My brother's LX470 occasionally has it's own mind.

    BTW, i do NOT own nor plan to own a H2. I have a 4Runner 4wd.
  • I currently own a Jetta, and the foot space in the back could use a little help. I was wondering if I should expect the same with the Touareg. By the way I am already making plans to purchase one of them.
  • al63017al63017 Posts: 149
    Have seen that statistic and am amazed. I would think if you towed any thing that heavy it would push you around not the other way around.
    Seems like you might need a big Suburban to tow that much. What do you think. Like I would buy a Suburban if I needed to tow that much. (I'm not crazy enough to buy GM--know two people with 2002 GMC's and had all kinds of trouble--one finally caught on fire and burned up--other has had 3 rear ends installed--maybe 2--but too many.

    Just bought new Nissan Murano and like it a bunch. I have a limit on what I will spend on a vehicle and Murano hit my price point and got what I wanted. But Touareg sure looks interesting.
  • I think the V10 Diesel form the European Touareg can probably do more than that, but you won't see VW publish a higher figure just to keep themselves free of lawsuits from someone towing a 10,000Lb trailer without trailer brakes and losing it on a downhill slope. The Touareg is a very heavy vehicle, which gives it some advantage over many lighter car-based utes. But remember a 4 ton Big Rig Semi can carry 20 tons behind it! Of course, there is no such thing as an "emergency maneuver" in one of those big boys at highway speeds...you either hit it or jackknife trying not to!

    I would be confident towing up to 7,000 Lbs in a Touareg without any worries - if the manufacturer is willing to publish that figure, the truck is likely capable for much more.
  • HI,
    You obviously live in SF (me too) have you driven the Touareg at Gunther (didn't think they were out yet)? Tested the FX-35 last weekend, has given me some relunctance to rush out and buy a VW SUV. Really concerned about underpowered Touareg V6 model. V8 out of sight (price). FX-35 right in the 36-37K range. The FX was certainly more Sports than Utility (but still had a fair amount of room).
  • Did I understand correctly? Did you actually test drive the touareg? I live in Texas. The local dealership told me maybe until April or May. What else can you tell me about the test drive. I myself plan to purchase one in May. If it is half as good as I have read so far. I currently own a Jetta VR6, Although I love the car, the touareg seems like the only other option. What do you think
  • I can accept that a V10 turbodiesel Touareg can probably tow my 5,000 pounds of boat and trailer reasonably well. That Touareg weighs over 5,000 pounds and it has a pretty beefy braking system and fancy suspension. I'm completely dubious about the V6 which claims the same 7,000+ pound towing rating. It has a much more feeble suspension setup and it doesn't have all that much torque. I can imagine it wandering between gears on the flats at highway speeds and wheezing up hills. When a car does that, you start wondering about engine and transmission cooling problems.

    I drive a VW GTI as my commuter car. In the 18 months I've owned it, I've received two "scarlet letters" informing me about problems. The first is the well-known issue of the windows dropping into the door when the "window regulator" fails. The second is the well-known issue of the ignition coils failing on the car. The 1.8T has one coil per cylinder so there are 4 to fail. In both cases, the letter said that if these parts failed, I was to bring the car into the dealership to have the car repaired at no cost. Sorry, that just doesn't cut it. If there's a known defect in the car, the car should be recalled and repaired. I now get to wonder if my car will die off in the boonies with a failed coil pack. I now get to wonder if the window will drop into the door when it's -20F. And this company thinks it's going to start selling $60,000 luxury cars and $40,000+ luxury SUVs?
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