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shop except for oil changes !
Slow, but hauls the bass boat, watercraft,
many trips to Kingston Ont. home depot
to haul lumber, sheetrock, etc!
Can't beat that exchange rate and those
hard workin' long lastin' CHEVY TRUCKS !
good luck on this one now !.....geo
BTW: Rube where are ya !
200 4.3 blazer/s10 horsepower was 190
1992 4.3 s10 pickup torque was 235
2000 4.3 blazer/s10 torque was 250
as i said, the older 4.3's were underpowered compared to the newer ('95 to current) vortecs. remember, that a new blazer is a lot heavier than an older '92 pickup and blazer. they were made a lot cheaper back then.
160hp one and 190hp one, designated as 4.3L and 4.3L HO (high output).
it wasn't until '97 that the 190 horse 4.3 was available in s10 pickup.
http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/Engines/Chevrolet/S10%20Blazer/1992.asp
obyone- hehe, yep the typhoon/whatever (yawn) were fast, but they weren't super-charged like you think, they had turbos bud. and yes, any turbo's engine will be faster than naturally aspirated. you just learning this? maybe gm knew their 4.3 was under-powered so they figured they'd offer something faster to those who knew this. and in '95, the standard and only engine in s10 pickup went to 155 horses. at least in '97 they got their crap straight.
I wouldn't touch one of the newer S10s (1994+)with all the problems I read and hear about from friends, mainly suspension, AC problems and general build quality. Hopefully GM steps up the quality with the Colorado or else I will be in a Tacoma or Ranger next.
And it was a major redesign including frame/chassis whatever you want to call it in 1994.
My S10 has never been in the shop so I dont know where you get this idea that they are in the shop every weekend........Oh wait mine must have been hand built by GM, thats it.
And for less than $16,000 loaded (1999 S10 2wd) I'd say its a very good truck.
As for the Sonoma VS. the S-10, that was my question!
So don't try to discredit it: that door swings both ways. Bottom line is that "New truck of the year" award given out is worthless. JD Powers statistical data may have some real life to it, when older models are evaluated, more than a year old. I'd put the most faith into head-to-head tests like 4wheeler does. However, since ads in the magazine provide a reason for loser party to discredit the results, and without ads there'd be no such tests done, losers don't acknowledge the test data, and whole discussion becomes a moot point.
So, tbunder, do you have a better criteria for long-term evaluation of vehicles? Without the "Well, Ranger sold more units last year" nonsense, please.
oh, my dad has an '88 ranger 4x4 2.3 liter with like 205K on it. all original. that's longevity. oh, minimal rust. same year toyota would be down to the frame in back.
oh, and ive never said that the ranger EVER won jd powers' awards. i said the nissan had, but not the ranger. stop making up stuff.
http://www.rokon.com/products/index.htm
For a measly $4 or $5 large, you can own an actual 2x2!! Plus, if you dismount, some of them float due to the large tires! These things can even be equipped with a PTO, brush mower and a plethora of light agri tools.
When I was in San Antonio 3 weeks ago, one of the trucks in our party was ...88 or 83 Toy pickup truck, with its original engine. It had body damage from an accident, but it was a beater truck. So whats your point about your daddys old Ranger? We can keep on quoting "Oh, I know this friend of a friend of my sisters' boyfriend". Yeah, they can both last.
As for JD Powers and Ranger: Maybe it was NIssan. Sorry if Ranger never won one. You've been jumping from truck to truck arguying why each one is better than Tacoma so much now, it's hard to remember all the things you've said.
Pretty sure whatever brakes the Rokon uses, they're not as good as toy brakes!!!
What was interesting was the order of finish was Dodge, Ranger, toy then S10.
The old Ranger push rod 4.0 was fastest empty by .2 seconds and second to the toy with 800 pounds by .2 seconds(so much for the torque theory) and the Ranger stopped the best. Guess them toy brakes are WEAK!!! LOL!!!
Funny how this test gets lost by the toy fanatics.
What I did find interesting is that the toy was only 40 pounds lighter than the Ranger and the Ranger was only $250 cheaper than the toy. The toy also had the highest payload. Sort of disputes a lot of the rantings that go on here. Of course Ford always has a rebate or financing or some other incentive.
The braking comment was based on OLD comments made by some toy fanatics(not scorpio) about how the toy is sooo much beefier and uses such better brakes than anyone etc.......
The only argument left is the never ending quality debate which will NEVER be settled. The trucks are and have been darn close through the years.
Quick observation/comment, if your brakes work for you, why can't the chevy people say the same???
It is definitely good for either "no duty" or "light duty". The heaviest duty it can do is to be driven (or towed) to the repair shop.
I am glad that the unfortunate Chev owners finally realize this. Maybe the healing can now begin.
We can all get along. Chev owners Sing along: "Shake, Shake, Shake,.......Shake, Shake, Shake,.......Shakeraaaaaaadohhhhh!, Shakeeaaaadohhhhhhhh!"
This is sung along to the tune of "Shake your booty!"
I think with Silverado there's a whole new can of worms. And there's also a fine line between "it works for me" and "it's not gonna work for the car you drive over". Tacoma brakes don't suck, just compared to Ranger they are just a tad worse. They still saved me from bashing some guys rear bumper in last weekend (not to mention messing up my own front bumper). If brakes on Silverado are worst in its class, that pretty much puts Silv. into the longest stopping vehicle manufactured today, due to the size and weight.
Matter of fact, the Japanese vehicles had the best reliability history for all classes of vehicles. I'm not pushing Japanese trucks. I own a full size H.D 3/4 ton Chevy. The Japanese trucks still don't have enough grunt under the hood.
The fact is, the editors of Consumer Reports have a magazine to sell, even if they don't accept advertising. A consumer buys the magazine, buys the truck, and tells the magazine he likes what he buys. Upset that sequence buying outside the recommended list, risk not being a "smart shopper." It's a catch 22.
It's not that I accuse them of being dishonest. Consumer Reports is a victim of their own system. Consider, the umpteen-thousands of complaints about warping brake rotors, steering vibrations from warped rotors, and ask why there's not even an asterisk next to Tundra concerning these design flaws from Consumer Reports? The NHTSA data base is full of brake complaints. In fact, brakes are probably the number #1 complaint.
Does the Enquirer have a loyal subscriber base? How many years have they been around?
Isn't the NHTSA one of those all so honest American bureaucracies???
NHTSA reports on what is sent to them. They do not evaluate or substantiate the reports. If there are enough complaints on a particular item, they will investigate. I would take the info provided by the NHTSA over CR any day. If you asked me about the honesty of the FBI, CIA, DEA, IRS and other three letter abbreviated agencies, I would agree with you.
"The fact is, the NHTSA is receiving complaints about 2000-2002 Tundra from consumers at a rate per 1000 vehicles double G.M. or Ford."
Really? Care to speculate on how many GMC owners are pursuing buybacks, extended warranties and lemon-law rights in comparison to Toyota owners?
I'd like to see a link regarding these complaints and the NHTSA. Obviously, such complaints must be pretty miniscule when compared to Chevy's knocking engines, faulty ABS brakes, bad transmissins and self-destructing interiors - otherwise, there would be thousands and thousands of Tundra owners pursuing buybacks, extended warranties and lemon-law rights - like the Chevy boys.
I could really careless what make foreign or domestic that they recommend as it doesn't impact my decision to buy what I need versus what they recommend. We are in a global economy. As such what is a Japanese vehicle thats assembled by Americans?
Japanese are known for designing quality products.
Not like a rock, like a box of rocks!
A better home for these two would be GMC lemon threads like http://agmlemon.freeservers.com
Be sure to check out the owner stories. They're a hoot!
Read these two words slowly...Consumer reports.
One more time...Consumer reports
So where do YOU get your reliability data prior to a vehicle purchase?
Or are the words "Ford tough" and "Like a Rock" enough for you??
#4416 of 4422 True, Toyota Dealers Are Near the Bottom... by jeffmust2 Mar 14, 2002 (06:40 pm)
in CU's new ratings, along with VW, Mazda, Nissan, and Mitsubishi - which appears to be in a (low) class all its own.
Even Hyundai (choke, choke) rates higher than Toyota and VW -- now that's gotta hurt!
Interesting that some of the highest-rated, reliable vehicle makers have dealer networks that are infamous, overall, for less-than-satisfactory treatment of their customers.
And, even worse, it's year-after-year so obviously they can get away with it and still make sufficient profits to survive. Perhaps the fact that the vehicles in question tend to sell themselves is the rationale for poor customer relations.
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#4417 of 4422 JD Powers ratings, by john339 Mar 14, 2002 (07:31 pm)
I can see why Hyundai rated better than Toyota given the superior manner in which Hyundai treated Santa Fe owners when those vehicles had an engine problem.
The latest JD Power Customer Service Satisfaction Study, 2000, which evaluates customer's encounters with the "dealership’s service department and their warranty experience as well as their repair problems" ranks Toyota below average. Daewoo on the other hand rated significantly higher.
The 2001 JD Power Sales Satisfaction survey also rates Toyota below average.
And of course the BBB gave Toyota an "unsatisfactory business performance"
From the BBB: "Based on our standards, we rate this company as having an unsatisfactory business performance record. Complaints contain a pattern of allegations concerning warranty and repair issues...." LATimes 3/13/02
It sort of funny that both JD Power and the BBB focus on Toyota's performance regarding warranty and repair issues
BTW, you DO KNOW THAT not all data is retrieved from owner responses. That CR actually does its own testing. Course their methodology may not be the most scientific leaving one to wonder what exactly is their recommendation worth.
If I remember correctly, their recommendation of the Packard Bell had nothing to do with a poll. This was one of the few times that they did the actual testing to come to a determination of which computer was to be "recommended".