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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans
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Wow!!! you get free oil changes???? Well I guess maybe 20 years of free oil changes would cover the price difference.
Well you cound watch me pull away from you and then rear end me. Then you'll see the difference!!!
Nah, I'd catch ya before the end because you'd have to pull over for gas sooner or swing by dealer for a recall or some other problem.
The 2006 warranty is the same as the 2006 DCX. ITs about 3000.00 if you add side airbags.
Wow, you must have excellent intelligence....I can't find anything on 06 warranties for DCX Minivans yet. On Edmunds they still show 7/70 for Magnum. What's your source, for both the warranties and pricing? I've seen Honda people spending $2k in this Forum...guess you can't blame em heh?
FYI - I don't own a 911 YET it's just my dream car, same as the Oddy is my dream Minivan of course :P
The true test would be an average over a number of vehicles. In addition, testing them after mileage accumulatiuon is far more accurate since the performance will be more representative of the average life of the vehicle.
Dusty
Just adding info...
2002 T&C LX 3.3L 26.5 MPG and 28.2 MPG on 2 long round trips. Ody got between 20 and 24 MPG on road trips when it has been checked. :sick:
Maybe my son is like some Ody owners and feels he has to jack rabbit accelerate and pass everyone else on the highway?
My close comparison of minivans proved to me that the GC SXT gives the MOST for the lowest actual price paid.
Who drag races minivans? Do you know, in all honesty, that of our many miles I have never floored our Ody. It is DEFINITELY not necessary, since it will accelerately rapidly without doing so. Good to know the power is there should we need it (can't say the same of our 1996 Accord 4-cyl, which has had a couple of nerve-racking merges on the same uphill on-ramp, in which I HAVE had to floor it and wind the engine up to reach 65 or 70 {short ramp!})
Well what happen is when a inpending rollover happens the pretensioners are activated and the sida airbags are deployed(To protect your head from hitting things and keep you in the vehicle). Now maybe you don't want this feature, I know I do!!! Also the VSC will help you avoid this in some situations. In a word do you need it. No!! But if you rollover(which is second highest percentage of deaths behind frontal) I would be wishing I had got it.
Well with a bigger gas tank and better gas mileage on the Honda. I don't think so but don't let logic get in the way. As for recalls I haven't had any. So if you do and I don't will that make your cars worse?? As usually grasping at the only straw you can find!! Talk about I'm superior complex!!
There's only one flaw here, according to CR, you're not actually getting better gas mileage, and if you're speeding away from a stop light you'll never hit close to EPA numbers.
Seems like your chances for recalls are much better than DCX owners - based on actual recalls and problems.
Well what happen is when a inpending rollover happens the pretensioners are activated and the sida airbags are deployed(To protect your head from hitting things and keep you in the vehicle). Now maybe you don't want this feature, I know I do!!! Also the VSC will help you avoid this in some situations. In a word do you need it. No!! But if you rollover(which is second highest percentage of deaths behind frontal) I would be wishing I had got it.
Minivans have one of the lowest chances of rollovers of any vehicles. Unless you're driving like an idiot, racing from stoplights to prove your manliness or something, you are probably safe with your DCX. If you haul a lot of kids, opt for the side curtain airbags ($600) or spend $5000 - $10,000 more on an Oddy.
I was getting worried the past few days though, there's been very little posting on the Honda Problems area. I knew it wouldn't last long....one owner putting new brake pads on after 10k miles!!! Pads must not last too long in order to provide the vastly superior braking that Oddys are touted for.
Wow, I thought an Odyssey would roll over before a Lotus would...
Baseless information?
Why not go the extra mile with stability control?
Sure, if one's willing to spend the $$$$ on it, or buy a less equipped model. My other car has DSC, and in 4 years of ownership, it's come on a few times - only in non emergency situations like hitting a bump on a wet road.
(Sidebar: The car was not totaled, despite the fact that it impacted the rail at 45 mph while skidding sideways, and drug the front portion (bumper, grill, headlights/blinkers) of the car completely off :sick: . I was not hurt, except for back pain that rears itself e pretty often. The truck that caused this never stopped, and no witnesses got tag numbers. You can see why I like Stability Control and have a hard time understanding why someone would opt out of it. I do my best to realize that not everyone can, or WANTS to spend extra money on a vehicle for one option, especially when the alternative vehicle is still quite safe without it. I wanted to make my case known, and thanks for understanding.)
I hope this is the last beating that I have to give this dead horse...
Going 50-60mph...all it takes is one quick turn of the wheel to lose control of the car. Doubtful if VSC would make much of a difference. The testing done on VSC is pretty much based on theories/computer simulations....not real life field tests.
BTW, brakes were activated the within the second he came towards me, ( I dont think I mentioned whether or not I did) probably adding to the severity of the skid. With proper, individual, wheel braking, I think that the skid could have been avoided, even if I had ended up in the wall anyway, skid prevention is ALWAYS a benefit.
What do you mean, saddle up?
I was wondering that too.....but I'm no expert, and can you count on technology in every situation?
Dodge Grand Caravan 3.8 V6 = 12.3 - 12.9 lbs
Honda Odyssey 3.5 V6 = 20.8 - 25.0 lbs.
Source, Edmunds model comparasion. It seems that extra second or so of acceleration produces more than speed.
Here are the CR numbers DCX 11mpg city 25 hwy overall 17mpg!!! Honda Odyssey 12MPG city 28MPG hwy overall 19mpg. 2 MPG overall better for the Honda. Should I just copy and save this because that is the fact.
5000-10,000 Not even close!! No side airbags with sunroof too. Just strange!! As far as rollovers here are death rates from minivans. Not very many people drive minivans like a idiots, so lets not go there please!. This comes from IIHS data Honda deaths per 1 million registered vehicles per year! 1999-2002 Honda Odyssey 16(1 rollover) 2001-2002 Dodge GC 52(11 rollover 20%+ from rollovers) 2001-2002 Dodge SWB caravan 83(16).
While minivans aren't as bad as SUV's and pickups they are not as good as most sedans!!
You proved my point the DSC came on and there was a nonemergency situation after that. BTW weren't you the guy that said you started sliding in snow and the DSC brought you back in line!! I gotta find that post LOL!!!
Going 50-60mph...all it takes is one quick turn of the wheel to lose control of the car. Doubtful if VSC would make much of a difference. The testing done on VSC is pretty much based on theories/computer simulations....not real life field tests.
VSC comes on automaticly. It senses your car starts going of coarse and brakes individual brakes to bring you in line!! It will also reduce engine output. Antilock braking is what your thinking of, that is a lower fucion of VSC. MB has done research on cars with and without this feature and found the cars with it had much fewer crashes!
Heres another article with research into same model cars with and without. Seems to help most with single vehicle crashes and in reducing fatalities.
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Honda Odyssey 3.5 V6 = 20.8 - 25.0 lbs.
This surprises me, I thought Honda were all LEV or ULEV? Also I thought I saw this info on Window Sticker and Honda's are very low?? Are you sure?
This from the latest issue of CR??? I see the Dodge in there concerning fuel economy at all?? Please clarify if you can.
Sorry but I'm not the one who brought up racing from a stoplight and leaving me in the dust.
I was on exit ramp going around a curve, with a little snow and it kicked in. I was not doing anywhere near the speed limit. I have my doubts that it could work in high speed situations.
Dodge Grand Caravan 3.8 V6 = 12.3 - 12.9 lbs
Honda Odyssey 3.5 V6 = 20.8 - 25.0 lbs.
Source, Edmunds model comparasion. It seems that extra second or so of acceleration produces more than speed.
It is a repost, but I've still never seen how Edmunds came up with this data. According to the EPA Air Pollution scores, they are rated as follows:
Dodge/Chrysler 3.8L - 2 (39-40.6 #/15,000 miles)
Honda 3.5L- 6 (12.2-12.9 #/15,000 miles)
This information can be confirmed at www.epa.gov and http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/best/rating.shtml
According to greenercars.com the Honda Odyssey is the highest rated minivan, with an ULEV II rating. The Dodge/Chrysler 3.3L is ranked one behind the Honda, but the 3.8L is not listed at all in the top ranked vehicles.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison;jsessionid=D5NkztfbxDpFSLLhsLT77- TKS72wN6Ry9bpPlx5T8h27Qk7GQndjc!1816916779?styleid=100625408&styleid=100385998&maxvehicles- =5&refid=&op=3&tab=ratings
You said it was hopefully the last beating you had to give this "dead horse"(VSC)...hense my "saddle up" response. As I reopened the topic of VSC with my question. I guess that joke needs to be shot :sick:
It's the DRIVER, not the car! I don't care what make the car is!
I was referring to the Air Pollution Score, which is directly related to each engines output of various pollution. There is a chart which references how much of each gas is allowed to meet a corresponding score, the vehicle is rated based on those output levels. This is what was referred to by Edmunds, since they called it smog-forming pollutants. From what I have gathered, Edmunds numbers don't match up with anything.
I agree that once control is lost, VSC wouldn't help regain it, but VSC is programmed to keep you from LOSING control, not help you regain it after it is lost. It is supposed to keep you stable in the first place, not get you stable after spinning around...
To get to the point, I don't honestly know (no one does) if VSC could have prevented my wreck (like you say, circumstances will be different for each and every one), I do know that if a violent skid was already underway without VSC intervention, that it would be highly unlikely that it would be able to take me out of the skid. I think it would prevent a skid altogether. I'm not a computer tech for cars, a safety designer, or a Honda expert (yes I drive one, but have had 2 DCX made vehicles), I just feel safer with VSC, knowing that I will never know how often it saves me from crashing, only how often it fails to.
http://www.esceducation.org/index.shtml
I know many of the car mags complain they can't get max performance out of vehicles with stability control because it doesn't let them push the vehicles to the limits. Some are more obtrusive than others. The fact it won't let the vehicle be pushed to the limits says something.
as far as hp goes, there is virtually no difference if you only have one or two people on board these vans. But if you stack 6-7 people in them, there is a big difference in acceleration, braking and handling between these two vans, and the other ones as well. I don't know whether it's the engine or tranny or gearing. That's how I tested them before I purchased the ody.
Its available online at CR free until 9/30. Just look under the CU vs government tests. If you looked at the latest addition it says to look there for results on all cars.
It's the DRIVER, not the car! I don't care what make the car is!
You may want to post this on the Honda - Problems and Solutions part of this forum. Some recent postings from Honda owners, think it's a Honda problem....brakes lasting 10k miles. I have seen people with brake lights on and accelerating at the same time!!!
Ok I'll try this one more time. It keeps you from losing control. Have you ever slid out from wet/snowy roads?? You are slidding way before you hit the brake. There's just not enough time to react. So it sees the car is starting to go off course and then brakes individual brakes and reduces the engine torque to keep you in line with where the driver is steering. If you applied the brakes the ABS should help reduce skid and still leave with ability to steer.
I have NEVER been in an accident that caused any measureable damage.
I feel that the DRIVER is the most important item for safety and for determining how long brake pads last.
Under air polution score which is tailpipe emmisions that cause smog and health issues. 10 being best Honda Odyssey-7 Dodge 3.8L- 2. The greenhouse gas sroce was also higher. If those numbers come from the EPA wouldn't you think the EPA would have the right info?? The Honda Odyssey is the highest rated minivan by EPA standards. The Dodge is just rated.
Here's the link!!
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