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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans



  • texasestexases Posts: 8,322
    I'd stick with 3M - who knows what the others are like?
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    I foundmy installer the same way, through the 3M website.
    Luckily, they had one at my dealership in Warwick, RI.
    I had them do the job for me, $100- less than I could find anywhere around town and the car was done before I tok delivery.
    The job is 100% perfect.

    Inskip also sells Lexus, so the guy is very experienced with those as well.

    Inskip Reconditioning in Warwick, RI
    Installers name is Alejandro Creamer

    Sales Manager's name is Manny Taveres
    He's the guy who tweaked the price for me and set up the appt.

    It's not in CT, so you may be better off with a quick 3 mile trip.
    Which ever you choose, good luck.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I checked out the new CTS over the weekend and I've gotta say, I'm pretty impressed. One caveat: I didn't drive a manual, so I won't talk about performance/dynamics right now. Suffice it to say the ride/handling compromise is class appropriate, with a refined driveline that has no bad manners or noticeable deficiencies.

    Sure, it's not the sportiest car in this segment (it's far to big and heavy for that), but I respect the fact that Cadillac didn't try to beat BMW at their own (increasingly ambiguous) game.

    Instead, Cadillac has built a car that has one of the nicest, roomiest cabins in this class, and trimmed it with high quality materials and appointments. It's easily the nicest cabin I've ever seen on a GM, and a match in quality and layout to anything in the class. The stitched seams on the soft-touch dashboard covering, and the wood and metallic accents are very pleasing. I found the backseat to be quite comfortable too, although as previously mentioned, the footwell is tight.

    Exterior styling is definitely too contrived (subjective, I know) - too many angles and random acts of chrome for my tastes, but again, it looks modern and aggressive - even attractive - and for its part, at least it doesn't look like every other car on the road. I have to respect GM for trying something different and mostly pulling it off.

    Personally, I think the softer, larger, and heavier 3-series has alienated many of the driving enthusiasts interested in this segment, and it will be up to the lighter, more compact 1-series to win us back over BMW. I don't know if the CTS now defines this segment - bigger and more luxurious yet still sporty, but it definitely compares favorably with the BMW and Infinity on the performance-----luxury continuum. Every car in this segment has slid way to the right on that scale over the past few years, so who can fault Cadillac for grabbing tightly onto the right end?

    What remains to be seen is whether GM can sell it in the volumes it deserves. I don't think the CTS will fail because of its quality, styling, features, or luxury. I think the toughest battle the CTS faces is still the stigma associated with the badge it wears on the hood.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,296
    Interesting. Thanks.

    You could well be correct with your assessment that Cadillac has squandered their once-revered status. Could be worse, though -- think Lincoln.

    Either way, the CTS carved a decent niche with its first version, and most appear to fall all over themselves exclaiming over how much better this one is.

    If Cadillac can get even a few BMW/Audi/Infiniti/MB people to come over, there's a huge cadre of "buy American" folks who'll drive it for that reason alone.

    Looks to me like it's going to be a winner, though it does look strange & a bit gaudy (for my taste, such as it is).
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118

    I think those of us driving enthusiasts who favor BMW's are inherently opposed to gaudiness and flash. Unfortunately, I think we are in the minority.

    There are many others that want a car that is sporty and luxurious, yet also serves as a fashion statement (style, status, etc.).

    I've seen enough BMW's wearing 19" chrome wheels to know that the CTS will be a big success.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,296
    ". . .BMW's wearing 19" chrome wheels. . ."

    Oh yes.

    One of the things than endeared me to the Lincoln LS early on was one of the senior sales executives who would come down like the hammer of Thor on any dealer that put a "carriage roof" treatment on an LS. He was a real car guy, but the dealers were as clueless as the day is long, to say nothing of the people who drove Lincolns in 2000 -- all moot these days.

    BMW endures much of the same, though Cadillac may siphon off some of the more ostentatious with the CTS. That's a good thing.

    Drivers, unite!!
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,636
    I loved my Lincoln is sadly....GONE.

    I agree with both fed and yourself regarding a nice package for the CTS...but the styling still alienates me, not to mention the Catera heritage and the stigma of arrogance from most dealers I associated with in the past in NY.

    I think the global enthusiasts spoke loud enough to create the 1-series. No doubt this will be a success in 2 ways...since the base model will attract yet even younger buyers and the 135 the crowd that craves perfection!

    Funny thing is when I explained to my wife the 1-series would come in smaller than the current 3'er, she was shocked that I would consider such a small car. She worries I will wedge under a semi and never be heard from again!

  • I think the reasonings behind BMW doing the 1 series are pretty simple, and I doubt it came as backlash from 3 series owners (that car still has crazy sales numbers). The fact is that the BMW 3 series had grown in size and purpose from its 2002tii roots and that there was a potential model that could be inserted there now. That combined with the fact that the 3 series is getting so expensive that it is pricing itself out of the hands of its youngest customers makes the business case.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    All these entry levels are expensive, the 250 isn't expensive. The 1 series will appeal to the Mazda 3 and VW GTI crowd.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I agree.

    I also think it will also appeal to the Audi A3/A4 crowd, the Mazda 6 and Accord Coupe crowd, and perhaps most of all, the BMW 3-series crowd (the ones that want an E46, but shopping the E90/E92 because it's the only game in town).

    It'll be interesting to see if the first few months following the 1-series debut has an effect on 3-series sales.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Except it's the size of a 5 series.

    Not a 3.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Uhhh, what?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I think he's referring to the size of the CTS.

    Yup, the CTS is big, but all of the cars in this segment are growing faster than The Incredible Hulk. Eventually, if this segment continues it's current trend, all of these cars will be as big as, or bigger than the 2008 CTS. Cadillac simply went there first.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,636
    ...and as the Hulk gains weight, he continues to expand horsepower exponentially! What to do with all that energy!

    At least this segment has a Dr. Banner side as well!

  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Edmunds has a review of the 1 series. Interesting. The 1 series with the turbo engine and BMW handling will rule. I can't wait to get a test drive.
  • Extremely generic review. It really tells us nothing. I wish car reviewers would man up and discuss something beyond trunk space or stop using nebulous phrases about handling. Compare and contrast, please.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Now there's this one (which may have been the one kdshapiro meant): First Drive: 2009 BMW 135i.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 24,339

    there is simply no more accomplished car for $30,000 than the 2009 BMW 135i

    Does Edmunds know something that nobody else does at this point?? Or is this a case of poetic license? Maybe the writer felt "$35k" to be too tough of a crowd to make such a statement?

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Pat, that is the article I was referring to. I should have posted the link. Thanks.
  • psunowpsunow Posts: 18
    I hope the new BMW drives well cause it sure is ugly...
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Yeah, it's real ugly. :shades
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,636
    When is it coming state-side?

  • That's the generic one. It's like a PR person wrote it. Or it just wasn't driven.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 12,510
    Glad you're still with us and haven't been hurt or evacuated by those crazy fires out in your neighborhood.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • nope. some friends lost homes but we're still standing. the fires seem to always make a ring around us.
  • Before everyone bets the farm on the 135 I read an article in Motortrend today that the weight isnt that much different than the 3 series and since it is very small wouldnt have a very large advantage in anything. I think that it was about 200 lbs in difference. I would have thought about 4-500 lbs would have been the difference which would have been more significant.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Most of you have seen the Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans piece, but if you haven't be sure to check it out! Let's go to the Article Comments - Comparison Test: 2007-2008 Sport Sedans topic to continue the discussion. Several recent posts have been moved there.
  • The 335i easily wins that comparo.
  • pmc4pmc4 Posts: 198
    I can't see how the BMW wins that comparison. I mean, to see what the 3-Series really is, just go to Europe, where it's made. What are they in Europe? Are they luxury sedans? Sports sedans? Nope and nope; they're... You guessed it... TAXI'S!
    In fact, the only difference between the Euro-spec BMW and the US-spec BMW is the options list. The Euro-spec BMW 3-Series comes standard with a tachometer, fuel gauge, automatic transmission, vinyl-padded interior surfaces and an engine with six cylinders.

    American-spec BMW 3-Series adds leather, i-drive, and about $25,000 to the sticker price.

    The Cadillac and Infiniti on the other hand are purpose-built, true luxury/sport sedans that are well worth the $$$ printed on the window sticker: They're roomy, comfortable, leather-lined (the BMW uses vinyl padding-not leather. Think 1970's naugahyde sofa) cruisers with the world's most advanced powertrains and chassis'.
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