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    nyrefugeenyrefugee Member Posts: 35
    "The coupes have too much chassis flex. "

    I am very surprised to hear this. In my experience the coupes have almost no chasis flex. This is because the FM platform is really solid, and the coupe bodystyle further reverses flex. You can read reviews of the g35 and the 350z (which has the fm platform as well) and most of them, even one review that slammed the 350z say that the FM platform was great and allowed no chasis flex or squirm. As I said that has been my experience as well, especially now that I am driving the car in the pothole filled streets of LA I find that the chasis does not twist and squirm even when i hit the big potholes.

    It is possible that the car you drove had something disconnected or lose that made noise, which sounded like chasis flex.

    The problem is that the FM platform is made out of steel, so it makes the car comparatively heavy. It is not that heavy compared to other cars of its class, but it is a pig compared to small sports cars, i.e. s2000s and miatas. The G35 would so much better if its body was made of aluminum but I am sure that would make it much more expensive too.

    "And in the G35c outward vision is compromised too much."

    That is only true in the back. And you can get good vision in the back if you are very careful about setting up your side mirrors. But I admit, this car definately needs bigger mirrors.

    "perfect comfort, poise, power, handling, reliability."

    For me the G has everything sans the comfort. The comfort is not perfect due to the hard suspension (I have a coupe with all suspension packages). But it is not easy for a car with good handling to have perfect comfort. Actually, it i pretty much impossible. But th G coupe is very comfortable for a car that handles the way it does.
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    nyrefugeenyrefugee Member Posts: 35
    "If the IS350 loaded costs 30k,"

    It wont. The 350 will be expensive. Probably in the 40s decently equipped. There will be a cheaper version (IS300 or 250 was it) which has a choice of manual but it will have a weaker 215 hp engine.

    Dont be confused by the 300 hp engine ... the IS 350 will not be a sports or "sporty" car because no lexuses are. The LExus strategy is luxury and isolation from the environment. That is exactly the opposite as a sports car which must strive to make you one with the road.

    So I am not at all surprised they do not offer a manual. They are just not selling to the sports car buyer. They are selling to the person that feels good about having a 300 hp car, but does not drive it hard or care about how it handles, rather he/she cares mostly about the luxury. I.e. it will be aimed at the same demographic as the TL.
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    Hey I also agree about the price... If you head to www.Lexus.com and look at the new IS video it says that the IS250 ( the cheaper model ) will start around the same price of the current IS300. Which is about $30,000 if correct maybe more . Then you figure the bigger engine extra equip and the base price of the IS350 will be around $36,000. Loaded an est. of $44,000 which isn't bad for what you get. 6- spd Auto with paddle shift, Mark Lenvinson Sterio and navigation, back- up camera and much much more ! Lets just hope the rest of the car is as great as the technology. Which it prob will be since it is a LEXUS ... What I disagree on is the buyer they are looking for ... I believe that this vehicle will be in the demographic of the 325I / 330I and the G35. They also mentioned that it is sharing some components with the bigger GS but will be sportier. Lets keep our hopes up ! ! !
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Which means that if you told me I had to choose between a 6-speed IS250 and a paddle shifted DSG IS350, I'd take the IS250 without hesitating. Even if they were the same price.

    The IS250 is a dog though...even with a manual it can't get out of the way of anything.
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    It wont. The 350 will be expensive. Probably in the 40s decently equipped. There will be a cheaper version (IS300 or 250 was it) which has a choice of manual but it will have a weaker 215 hp engine.

    I know the IS350 won't come in that low. I was making a point...the IS350 would have to be stupid cheap loaded for me to get one with an automatic.
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    billyperksbillyperks Member Posts: 449
    I think 44K is a little too high- you can get the GS 300 for that.
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Yeah but the kinda person that would want a GS300 wouldn't seriously look at entry lux. they want a land yacht, not a performance sedan.
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    taxesquiretaxesquire Member Posts: 681
    The IS250 is a dog though...even with a manual it can't get out of the way of anything

    Have you driven it? From what I understand, the IS is closer in size to the 3 & A4, as opposed to the TL & G35, so it doesn't need as much HP to move.
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    potemkinpotemkin Member Posts: 195
    "The IS250 is a dog though...even with a manual it can't get out of the way of anything."

    Feel free to engage in a little hyperbole to make you point. I guess Einstein was right: Everything is relative. But 200+ HP in a ~3400 lb. vehicle doesn't sound too shabby to my ears. Why, the '05 V6 Mustang (Not the V8!) is said to be faster than an '84 Corvette. I had a 5.0L V8 Mustang ('82) that put out a whopping 158 HP. Oh boy, we live in interesting times.

    Oh, and technically, the IS250 isn't out yet, so you should refer to it's performance in the future tense: "The IS250 will be a dog..."
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    shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    "Why, the '05 V6 Mustang (Not the V8!) is said to be faster than an '84 Corvette."

    Geez, I think our 3.8 liter V6 Dodge Grand Caravans are both faster than a 1984 Corvette (in a straight line that is), so a 2005 V6 Mustang beating that same Vette should be no trick.

    Relative to the IS, I'm thinking it is a tad overweight for the size of the vehicle. True, I haven't seen it yet however it is weighing in at over 150 pounds more than an E90 325i, and it sounds like it has a smaller interior (in terms of legroom) than anything else in the class, consider the following:

    Vehicle ---------- Total Leg Room ------------ Vehicle Weight
    Audi A4 2.0T --------- 75.60" ------------------------ 3,362 lbs.
    BMW 325i ------------- 76.10" ------------------------ 3,285 lbs.
    Infiniti G35 ------------ 77.20" ------------------------ 3,512 lbs.
    Lexus IS250 ---------- 74.50" ------------------------ 3,450 lbs (approx. the IS350 is 3,527)

    Hmmm, smallest interior package, second heaviest overall package.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Mags are showing 0-60 of 7.9 with the IS250. That's a dog.
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Oh, and technically, the IS250 isn't out yet, so you should refer to it's performance in the future tense: "The IS250 will be a dog..."

    The IS250s are available to mags, have been tested, judged and found deficient. I've seen numbers in the 8s for the AWD model. Egad.

    And yes it's all relative. In my eyes if a car costs over 30k, it better do 60 in less than 7 seconds.
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    In my eyes if a car costs over 30k, it better do 60 in less than 7 seconds.

    Good to know that BMW 325i, 323i, 328i, 525i, 528i, 530i, 535i, 728i, 730i, 735i, 735iL, 740iL, 750iL(V-12) are all dogs.
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    I made my self clear..."in my eyes" is a pretty individualistic phrase.

    Good to know that BMW 325i, 323i, 328i, 525i, 528i, 530i, 535i, 728i, 730i, 735i, 735iL, 740iL, 750iL(V-12) are all dogs.

    Lets see, 323, 328 over 30k? Maybe 5 years ago.

    528, 535, 728, 730, 735, 740 = old school also and defunct.

    Do they still make a 525i? My god, that engine was hell enough in the e46. Even the new e90’s 3.0 325i is nothing to shout about. Maybe I’ve seen the wrong stats but manual 325i’s and manual 530s make the run to 60 in under 7 seconds.

    If you’re talking steptronic cars or used/old bimmers…well, those are not exactly the sort of car I’d go anywhere near.

    I stand by it – if I pay over 30k, the car better make it to 60 faster than 7 seconds. That’s not asking much when 24k Jetta GLIs and 25k A3s can run to 60 in the low 6s.
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    potemkinpotemkin Member Posts: 195
    "Mags are showing 0-60 of 7.9 with the IS250. That's a dog."

    C&D has it going 0-62 in 7.3. Does that make it a greyhound?

    Engine specs weren't finalized, but we managed to extract figures from chief engineer Suguya Fukusato that are pretty close. The smaller six will generate about 220 horsepower and 184 pound-feet; the larger six should pump out a healthy 310 horsepower and 266 pound-feet. No official acceleration figures are available, but our unofficial stopwatch clocked the IS350 at 5.9 seconds from 0 to 62 mph, in stark contrast to the 2.5-liter's 7.3-second sprint. Power is instant and progressive, offering a far more compelling experience than its predecessor. We hit an indicated 165 mph in the IS350 and 149 mph in the IS250.
    Link

    Still, I'd take it with a stick before I'd go with the auto. IS350.
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    frisconickfrisconick Member Posts: 1,275
    I think the GS is the least attractive car in it's class, and is not very agile.
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    If you’re talking steptronic cars or used/old bimmers…well, those are not exactly the sort of car I’d go anywhere near.

    It's highly doubtful that you can shift faster than the steptronic, consistently, day-in and day-out, under all circumstances. How often are you on the race track anyway? Do you keep your car for only one year? I don't think a two-year old 330i is worth $30k. In any case, the current dog list apparently includes:

    325Ci coupe 7.1/8.1
    325CiC convertible 7.7/8.9
    325xi wagon most probable
    330CiC convertible 6.9/7.5/6.9 How many of us can shift the manual as fast as the SMG?? BMW tester can get 6.9, you probably can not.
    525i 7.3/7.6 with the new 3.0 not the one in E46
    525xi
    530xi wagon 6.8/7.5
    X3 2.5i 8.6/9.3 Now there is a slow vehicle
    X3 3.0i 7.6/7.9
    X5 3.0i 7.8/8.3
    Z4 2.5i 7.1/7.2

    I'm not sure most would agree that brand new 3-series coupe, Z4 and Mini are "dogs."
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    cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,506
    The objective is not always to shift faster.

    It is to shift appropriately -- skip gears, engage the clutch really (really) softly, whatever.

    It's called a manual for a reason. It requires thought, participation. . .and experience.

    Oh, and they almost never break, and when they do they don't cost $2K+ to fix.

    When this latest generation of wanna-be manuals becomes well and truly reliable, it'll become an interesting discussion. It's not, yet.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    Acura TL FWD with 270Hp and 238 max torque Auto - 0-60 in 6.4 sec.

    Audi A4 2.0 FWD with 200Hp and 207 max torque Auto - 0-60 in 7.1 sec.

    Audi A4 3.2 AWD with 255Hp and 243 max torque Auto - 0-60 in 6.6 sec.

    BMW 325I RWD with 215Hp and 185 max torque Auto - 0-60 in 7.3 sec.

    BMW 330I RWD with 255Hp and 220 max torque Auto - 0-60 in 6.3 sec.

    Infiniti G35 RWD with 280Hp and 270 max torque Auto - 0-60 in 6.0 sec.

    Jaguar X-Type 3.0 AWD with 227Hp and 206 max torque Auto 0-60 in 7.1 sec.

    Lexus IS250 RWD with 205Hp and ? max torque Auto 0-60 in 7.7 sec. EST.

    Lexus IS350 RWD with 305Hp and ? max torque Auto 0-60 in 5.8 sec. EST.

    Mercedes C230 RWD with 201Hp and 181 max torque Auto 0-60 in 8.0 sec.

    Mercedes C350 RWD with 268Hp and 258 max torque Auto 0-60 in 6.3 sec.

    SAAB 9-3 Linear FWD with 175Hp and 195 max torque Auto 0-60 in 8.5 sec.

    SAAB 9-3 Aero FWD with 210Hp and 221 max torque Auto 0-60 in 7.3 sec.

    Volvo S60 T5 AWD? with 257Hp and 258 max torque Auto 0-60 in 7.3 sec.

    Volvo S60R AWD with 300Hp and 295 max torque Auto 0-60 in 5.4 sec.

    These are some figures for the cars in the class with the auto.
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    Thats not all that true I usually switch between classes of mid-side luxury and entry level luxury performance.
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    3 years. I keep my cars three years.

    Not sure why my opinion of cars with automatics and less than eye-popping performance caused a scene. Sorry. Just feel the IS250 is a major let down. And whomever keeps writing 220 hp...give it up, Lexus' SAE numbers are: 204 hp, 185 ft-lbs. http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehicle_Reviews/Sports_Convertibles/2006_Lexus_IS_250_IS_3- - - 50.S184.A8929.html

    And yes, BMW's 325i is already using SAE. As if this matters but I know somebody will bring it up.
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    No and I agree that the IS250 will be a major let down.. With prob the slowest times in the class.
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    My mistake faster then the SAAB 9-3 Linear the base model which is cheaper and the car is like built for safety and then a mercedes which is based more on luxury.
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    kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    I have no idea what you're quoting. You seem to have a mixture of mag test results and manufacturers specifications. To make it interesting let's start with the fastest time the mags have recorded.

    e90 - 330i 5.6 seconds.

    You can take it from there.

    http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

    Even at the above website the 2001 E46 was recorded at 6.1.
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    The objective is not always to shift faster.

    It is to shift appropriately -- skip gears, engage the clutch really (really) softly, whatever.

    It's called a manual for a reason. It requires thought, participation. . .and experience.

    Oh, and they almost never break, and when they do they don't cost $2K+ to fix.

    When this latest generation of wanna-be manuals becomes well and truly reliable, it'll become an interesting discussion. It's not, yet.

    Good God, another newbie driver discovered the religion of manual. FYI, I have clocked over 150k miles on manual cars, with two burned out clutches to boot. What does the merits of manual vs. automatic have to do with what I was saying? Are you sure you can shift as fast as SMG?? I know I can't, even after 150k miles on manual cars. If you can not, then a car that is rated for 6.9" 0-60 for manual and SMG will be slower than 7" in your hands. It's as simple as that. Skipping gear and thoughts have absolutely nothing to do with 0-60. The shifting points are pre-caculated for that drag run, and it will be an exercise in reflex.
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    3 years. I keep my cars three years.

    The vast majority of 3 series three years or younger would be considered "dogs" in your scheme of things. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    The vast majority of 3 series three years or younger would be considered "dogs" in your scheme of things. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

    It does make sense. Explain why it doesn't. I don't worship at the temple of BMW. Show me an e36 and I wonder about the M3 sedan. e46? Been there, done that...familiarity breeds contempt. e90? I wonder when the M3 sedan or supposed 335i turbo will appear.

    I've drawn a line for me personally. That line = 0-60 below 7 seconds merits consideration. Anything over that marker = dead to me. Why does that trouble you so much?
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    potemkinpotemkin Member Posts: 195
    "Good God, another newbie driver..."

    I'm sorry, did you check his profile or something? Did he check the 'newbie driver' box? Otherwise, quit with the insults.

    "FYI, I have clocked over 150k miles on manual cars."

    And I've clocked over 312k miles (500k km) on manual cars and never once had a transmission failure, nor have I had to ever replace a clutch (despite having 112k miles on one car).

    "Are you sure you can shift as fast as SMG??"

    Straw-man argument. No one here has made that claim, but you keep arguing against it.

    "Skipping gear and thoughts have absolutely nothing to do with 0-60."

    And going 0-60 has absolutely nothing to do with his original post. Again, no one here is claiming that manuals are inherently faster 0-60 than automatics (but if your interest lies in keeping the RPMs at a 'steady boil' when braking into a turn, you'd be better off picking your own gears and finessing the clutch than fighting with the transmission as it tries to up-shift when you let off the gas.

    "The shifting points are pre-caculated for that drag run, and it will be an exercise in reflex."

    Taking the joy out of driving is not my idea of progress.
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    cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,506
    Thank you for your support, and well put in the bargain.

    Newbie? Well, I've driven ~1.1 million miles and most of it was in vehicles with manual transmissions. The 95,000 that wasn't is why I feel so strongly about never having another automatic. MG, two Miatas, 240Z, Kenworth truck & one of the very few Lincoln LS's produced with a Getrag manual (extinct now, as it turns out).

    Those who prefer to do their driving in a straight line (with max acceleration the only criterion) clearly have a different point of view.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
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    qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,949
    Well, I KNOW that list is not completely accurate because the auto version of the S60R comes NOWHERE CLOSE to even 6 seconds, let alone 5.4. That's the 6-speed version. The auto is much closer to 7 secs due to the decreased torque in the first 2 gears.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S

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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    The question remains, what in the world does the advantage of manual at keeping the engine at boil have anything to do with 0-60 numbers?

    Taking the joy out of driving is not my idea of progress.

    What's the joy in 0-60 drag racing?? If there is none to begin with how can any be taken out? Bluedotcomguy and were discussing 0-60 under 7 being a requirement for any car being considered remotely sporty. If your argument is that straitline performance is not as relevent as handling, you are actually in my corner.
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    Those who prefer to do their driving in a straight line (with max acceleration the only criterion) clearly have a different point of view.

    Then you are siding me with in my discussion with Blue. I was pointing out that there are many decently sporty cars with slower than 7" 0-60. The tranny part only came about because IMHO, the auto tranny rating is closer to what most drivers will actually get for 0-60 even when shifting manual on their own because they can not shift as fast as SMG or professional drivers; that makes a whole slew of cars slower than 7" in the hands of their owners (all those 6.5-6.9 cars). Whether manual is superior to automatic in driving experience was never part of the discussion.
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    kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    How about 0-60 merging onto an expressway from a red light. Straighline performance in this instance is very relavant. How about increased gas mileage? There is a reason autos typically are slower than manuals and get worse gas mileage. Can you say torque converter?

    xSGs are the perfect medium.

    For those who are interested in maximum control of the cars manual or SMGs are the way to go.
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    fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    "discussing 0-60 under 7 being a requirement for any car being considered remotely sporty."

    I thought he said, "In my eyes if a car costs over 30k, it better do 60 in less than 7 seconds." Agree with him or not, that's a pretty clear statement of his opinion - and one that didn't mention anything about a requirement for sportiness.
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    kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    It's not about what the driver can do, it's about what the car can do. So I'm not sure of your point. Autos vs trannies are an individual preference. The amount of fine tuning a driver has over a car is best with a manual, but the driver does more work. But in the end the driver can only do what the car is capable of doing.
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    fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    I think you misunderstood what blueguy was saying.

    He has stated in other posts that he holds cars like the Miata and TSX in high regard. Both are "sporty cars" that post 0-60 numbers above 7 seconds. But they also cost less than $30,000.

    $30,000 is simply a line he has personally drawn in the sand. In a day when cars are as powerful and quick as they are today, it's not unreasonable to desire a $30,000 vehicle that achieves certain benchmarks.

    Would you not be a little embarassed when you stomp the go pedal at a fresh green light in your brand new $33,000 slush box 325i and the Honda Odyssey next to you (with 2 kids watching "Shrek 2" in the back) pulls ahead and changes lanes in front of you???
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    blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    What's the joy in 0-60 drag racing?? If there is none to begin with how can any be taken out? Bluedotcomguy and were discussing 0-60 under 7 being a requirement for any car being considered remotely sporty.

    Uh-uh. I never mentioned sporty. I simply called slower to 60 cars that cost over 30k dogs.

    If your argument is that straitline performance is not as relevent as handling, you are actually in my corner.

    I want both. Yeah a gen 1 miata in the twisties was a hoot. But you and I both know that same car with 200 more hp would have been absolutely exhilirating. hit a tight 270 degree 15 mph corner and with a manual and a decent engine, I'm going to be a happy camper.

    Cost to fun ratio. I can snatch up a new miata loaded for 24-25k. That'll put a grin a on my face because it doesn't cross that imaginary line of 30k.
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    taxesquiretaxesquire Member Posts: 681
    Now that most autos in this category are 5 and 6 speed automatics, it wouldn't surprise me if pedal-to-the-metal on a straightaway, they were faster than their manual cousins due to human limitations, though tests don't seem to show that as being the case. I feel confident that a 5 speed automatic would be clearly faster than a manual of the same car driven by myself. :blush: But taking out the human error is what makes the car less sporty.

    It's not so much whether you can lay out the dough to buy a fast car - it's whether you personally can make any particular car operate at its best, regardless of whether that means keeping rpms down to stretch every last ounce of gas or running right up to the redline. I'd think I'd get more satisfaction out of maximizing the HP in a manual 4 cylinder Honda Accord than just slamming my foot down on an automatic Porsche Boxter.

    Think about Nascar - the argument that it's not a sport is based on the fact that it mainly involves machines, and the best machine will win. Pro-Nascar arguments revolve around the human interaction - when to slow down, when to accelerate, when to block an opposing car, the pit crew, etc. Automatics take a level of involvement out of the equation and lessen the "sport" of the whole thing.
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    Not sure why you are addressing that to me. Are you saying a person merging onto an expressway from a red light will be able to shift faster than he/she otherwose would be able to do? I don't get it. The discussion was never about manual vs. automatic, but whether the published automatic rating or mnual rating for 0-60 is more relevent to what most owners actually get. Almost no one can shift a manual as fast as SMG (dah, that's why they invented SMG in racing); few can shift manual faster than a modern automatic for that matter. Therefore what people actually get from their car are closer to the car's automatic 0-60 rating, not the manual rating when driven by professional drivers.

    Whether manual or automatic is better for personal taste is entirely a different story altogether, depending on your driving condition etc..
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    Would you not be a little embarassed when you stomp the go pedal at a fresh green light in your brand new $33,000 slush box 325i and the Honda Odyssey next to you (with 2 kids watching "Shrek 2" in the back) pulls ahead and changes lanes in front of you???

    That's been the fact of life for many 325i owners for years; substitute V6 Accord for the Odyssey, and you still get that today with the new model.
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    kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    I would be embarrassed if that were to occur also. Thankfully today it wouldn't.
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    brightness04brightness04 Member Posts: 3,148
    I would be embarrassed if that were to occur also. Thankfully today it wouldn't.

    Really?? V6 Accord is a lot faster than 325Ci, the "sport coupe," especially off the line.
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    My mistake I am sorry I should have paid more attention to where I was getting the info from but for the most part they are pretty close numbers. The Volvo S60R does NOT go 0-60 in 5.4 with the auto but it is in the low 6's I would guess having 300Hp, even with the torque cut out on 1st and 2nd gears. Uh, do you think SAAB will ever make a worthy sport sedan ?
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    gordonwdgordonwd Member Posts: 337
    I read an interesting explanation the other day about why mag testers such as C&D can usually get better 0-60 times that the manufacturer's rating. It has to do with exactly how the measurement is taken. Apparently, most of the magazines use a technique that was developed by the NHRA (the drag racing sanctioning body), where they start the timer when the car has moved one foot -- not at the exact instant of when it starts to move. Now you might ask how big a deal one foot is, but you would be surprised how long that takes -- it is of course the slowest one foot of the entire run, especially considering what it takes to overcome the inertia of geting the car to start moving.

    As another example, I used to drive a front-engine dragster that would run the 1/4-mile in about 7.5 seconds. One time, though, I popped the front wheels so that they went over the starting beams and I started the timers with my rear wheels instead of the front wheels. So I basically got a 170" head start on the clock. My elapsed time on that run was 6.8 seconds, which would have been good for a world record if it had been a legitimate time!
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    Also about the 0-60 times 5.6 seconds for what the 6-spd manual 330I ? Well in the new comparo in the Automobile mag says that the New 2006 BMW 330I 6-SPD does 0-60 in 6.1sec... That is slower then the Infiniti G35 6-SPD going 0-60 in 5.8 sec. Then the last one was with the 6-SPD Caddy CTS moving 0-60 in 6.5 sec.
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    kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    You know what, you can cite all the comparos in the world, it doesn't change the basic fact the Infiniti with a bigger engine, more hp and torque cannot really outgun the 330i. So you can cite this comparo, I'll cite the other comparo. :)
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    kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    Really? You think? You should see them race. Unfortunately I have. Accord loses. Mine is faster than both of them anyway. :)
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    kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    Some mags pop the clutch or use torque braking.

    While the numbers the mags get usually are representative of the best times you could achieve, you will rarely hit those numbers unless you wish to damage your drivetrain.

    I think though it's important that each mag sticks with their established method, so one can compare times.

    However, I would never do a full torque brake launch with my auto tranny.
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    ivorypearlgivorypearlg Member Posts: 53
    Um... face the 6-SPD Infin will blow the doors the god darn BMW 330I, but then BMW has one thing Infiniti dont the M-Class
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    03accordman03accordman Member Posts: 671
    kd, no comparo ever has timed a 330 quicker to 60 than a G35. I agree with you that the G has a bigger engine, more power etc, but the fact remains that the G is quicker to the 330. And with around a 10k advantage too. The gas mileage sucks but you gotta pay somewhere.
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