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That home boy that posted a review from the Detroit news should know that that husband and wife team that do the car section for that paper are beyond worthless. They are so worthless that comedians are just saying their names during stand up routines and getting laughs.
Sorry, actually 3 things. What the hell are we doing still hearing this nonsense about that Lincoln? Does it have the fastest 0-Luby's time?
Is their actually anybody besides Rockylee, and his love child flash11, that really believe this car is sporty?
If so, please step forward and have a pie thrown in your face for being an idiot without a village.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86539&d=1159193494
Sorry Flash, I showed the interiors to make my point. I didn't realize you were counting on me to perform a task for you.
My point is that you can't tell the QUALITY of the interior from a photo. All a picture can do is help you decide which interior YOU like best. Completely subjective.
Well, here you go...Flash
and Function
Personally, I find the MKZ interior almost grotesque in it's attempt to be premium. I count over 40 buttons on the center stack! It's just trying too hard to be something.
The BMW interior is just pure, simple function over form - as a true cockpit should be.
The MKZ is shouting, "Look at me, look at me!" while the BMW is whispering, "Let's go the long way today."
Regards,
OW
I second that
Seriously, straight from a truck.
I agree that the MKZ's appearance doesn't really have much appeal to a driving enthusiast, but it's target audience is undeniably "entry-level luxury." What we don't know yet is whether or not "performance" is part of the equation.
Doing even more research and giving the topic of the MKZ further thought, I realized that, although it has a lot in common with the TL (humble DNA, upscale features, etc.), the Lexus ES350 also falls into the same category.
Reading the Lexus literature and reviewing the ES350 here at Edmonds, Lexus actually advertisess the size of the brakes, presence of front & rear sway bars, and the fully-independant suspension on the ES350.
We all agree that the ES is not a performance car to be considered in this forum - but the TL is. The MKZ has the potential to be a TL rival at the test track given the sporting nature of the Mazda6 (especially when compared to the Accord), but until we drive the Lincoln, we just don't know.
The enthusiast in me is guessing the MKZ is probably a wanna be ES350, but who knows - the Lincoln LS surprised everyone when it came out...
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I wouldn't want to see the girlfriends or wives of anyone that found that MKZ interior attractive. At least not on a full stomach.
And some people wonder why the Big Three are lsoing money?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
From what I've read/seen, the MKZ is not a bad car (but is it really worth the premium over a Fusion/Milan?) and I find the exterior to be handsome enough. But, really, other than Town Car drivers or those who look back fondly on the Aries K could admire the interior design of the MKZ??? And again, YMMV.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
? :confuse:
Wouldn't a factory (and by that I'll assume you mean released by the manufacturer) supplied picture put the product in the best light possible? Why would a mfg. release unflattering pictures of their products?
A "real life" picture could show driver/owner induced flaws (e.g. scuff marks, used leather, or in the case of my wife SPILLED COFFEE!!! :mad: ) that would put the interior in a less-flattering light.
No shame here, just folks opinions on the interiors of select automobiles.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Its got a real life pic of MKZ interior see what Im talkin bout.
MKZ:
335i:
For crying out loud, that's what I get for doing someone a favor. For your info, I got them both from Edmonds.com and I thought I was helping Flash11 out...
If you think the pictures I posted are somehow inaccurate or unflattering, why don't you post some better ones yourself?
Find the picture you like. Right click on it. Choose "properties" and highlight the complete URL. Right click on the highlighted text and choose "copy."
Post a new message here. Put your cursor in the text area and press the "Img" button below. Paste the URL you copied and then push the "Img" button again.
There, now you know how to do it too.
I think not knowing how to post pics is the least of your problems if you think the MKZ interior looks anything above "nauseous". Looking at that MKZ pic, I would think it would make for an ugly Ford pickup, minivan or SUV. But they actually use that in a Lincoln "entry level luxury performance sedan" and expect to compete with Lexus, BMW or Acura. :confuse: You have got to be kidding. Why don't they just replace the bucket seats with a front bench seat? At least that would give them something unique to try to brag about.
Oh, and by the way, the BMW 335i interior shown has a serious flaw. It's shown with a slushbox. Still doesn't help the pitiful MKZ, but at least the deck wasn't stacked in favor of the BMW.
That's for sure. It's sad really that there just aren't many cars left on the road that will allow you to execute an SOB right turn.
What! Never heard of an SOB turn? Geez, I'm getting old. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
MKZ:
TL:
G35:
IS350:
62 Lincoln
:P
Rocky
Is it just me, or is the MKZ dash and center stck perfectly vertical. It's hardly the approprite profile for a driver oriented cockpit in a performance sedan. More like a UPS delivery truck. Looks like you are supposed to stand up while driving.
The Lincoln's interior is like a catheter = painful.
The BMW'S is like viagra = you figure it out.
We are very fond of telling people to hold their opinions about a car unless they have actually driven it.
I have tried to put aside my bias and consider the Lincoln based on it's potential as a member of this segment. Most of us enthusiasts here dismissed the MKZ without the benefit of seeing it in person, let alone driving it. We are quick to toss it aside because as enthusiasts, we are averse to it's appearance, brand identity, and pedestrian underpinnings.
I have already made my point about how similar in concept and DNA the MKZ is to the TL - and I think my argument is sound.
So, here's another observation - the majority of us also dislike the interior and/or exterior styling of the Cadillac CTS. Even with this consensus, we all pretty much agree that the CTS is an "entry-level luxury performance sedan" and a member of this segment - even if it's not our favorite member.
So let's put aside our prejudice and reserve judgement until we see how the MKZ performs. We may hate the way it looks and what it represents, but if any of the Mazda6 responsiveness is hiding under all that chrome and wood, it might just be a demon on the track, OK?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
9-3 vs 3series
9-5 vs 5series
9-9 vs 7series
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40042
9-3 Sedan - Coming in 08 move aside 3-series. Born from Jets, founded by 16 aircraft engineers is really true with this A-pillarless, smooth roofline aerodynamic design
9-3 Convertible - WOW - the legend continues
Regards:
Oldengineer
Speaking of employees of Detroit, Flash, Rocky and Pletko glow over ONLY Fords and criticize every other car make out there. Either they are employed by Ford to pump their cars or these are some serious America homers.
Um Ford guys, U.S. cars have never been nimble or good handling performance cars. I had a 68 Mustang - it was great car but my 71 Capri was much more nimble, had better road feel and was much quicker in the twisties. Things have only gotten worse for Detroit since then.
Pat, Can we just get back to the subject of this thread?
Rocky
Now if GM produce a car that was 90% of the performance at 60% of the price, and the car had balance, poise and grace, they might have a shot.
Remember the G35 is the 3 series closest competitor. That is what GM has to aim for. Infinity is considered a brand that is above average in reliability. So it will be interesting to see where GM goes with those statistics.
First of all, the opinions of others should weigh in very little on your car of choice. Second of all, being a longtime volvo fan and recent owner, I've read tons of owners comments on the dedicated volvo boards. The only negative ones I've ever come across usually center on the 5-speed geartronic models (and, honestly, what the heck were they expecting when they bought the automatic anyway).
As others here have said, you really should hold comments unless you actually drive a vehicle. I suggest you try out one of the less pedestrian volvos and resist passing judgement based on anything you simply read.
Its not a car I'd lay out $40+ grand for.
And alot of folks agree with you, which is why it doesn't sell for anywhere near $40k.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Seriously rocky. Most domestic products just can't compete at certain price points. Do ewe no what I'm sayun?
A couple of vehicles that don't belong here:
- MKZ - no manual. Sorry - manual is required. Has been from day one.
- Anything else without a manual transmission, NO EXCEPTIONS. Shift-o-matic doesn't cut it either.
- IS250 also is right out(underpowered). The 350 is mainstream luxury - and belong in the next segment up. The older IS300 Sportcross *did* belong here, though - quick and fun.
- The C-class is out as well. Too "190" series. Plastic and fake lux and handles like a slightly improved Civic. Mercedes seems to have abandoned this segment lately.
- The Volvo S40 is a joke - toss out as well. The S60, though, definately belongs like the CTS - it may not be a BMW, but it still makes the cut.
We should also add in specific models that are not quite sedans as well, if, like the IS300 Sportcross, it's the only manual equipped version of the vehicle. For instance, a small 4 door crossover *might* apply(though I've never seen one that handles like a car instead of a truck) or something that's a 4 door hatchback like the older Saabs used to be. Or even a 2-door might work, like the older Mercedes C230K. It was drastically different from the other models in how it drove and yet was virtually identical inside to the sedan.
BTW, weren't you the Yugo spokesman a couple of decades ago?
Nah. It really should be a sedan, although sometimes we talk about coupes.
For now, let's here any feedback on your thoughts vs. 335, A4, TL IS, cts, c-class.