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Back-seat or no, it's a real Ferrari.
Can someone give me a heads up on the pronunciation? Do you pronounce the G in Scaglietti, or is it silent?
(Skaglee-etty? or Scalee-etty?)
From my very limited knowledge of Italian, I'd guess it was silent.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
M
Sold the 30 (finally). I was rather looking forward to keeping it, but was unclear with my wife, who sold it when she was firmly offered "my price."
This brought about an important lesson in "male speak." I explained to her that I knew there were certain code phrases, common to women, that I was supposed to be sensitive to. For instance, if the answer to the question "What is wrong?" is "Nothing!" Then I should know that something is very definitely wrong, and it's my fault. She now understands that "I'll sell it when I get my price." actually means that I want to keep the car. Oh, well.
Starting to look for another. Really haven't made up my mind, so I think I'll drive everything I can get my hands on.
Tutto Italiano at Lars Anderson Museum in Brookline, MA, Sunday, May 23. Hope to see some of you there!
Tom
How's this for an unlikely sighting on the downtown streets of a medium-size New England city, a Ferrari 330GT (2+2) aka 330 GTE.
This particular car was light metallic blue and looked like it was brand new! che bella!
It had two headlights rather than the four seen on earlier cars ('64-'65?) which would make it a '66 or possibly a '67 IIRC.
It had all the classic Ferrari V12 cues, Borrani wires, four chromed exhaust tips, PF badges, everything but the gated shifter.
Tifosi are divided over the merits of the four seaters but I've always liked them. They're a little heavier than the GTs but they're real V12 (4 -liter) classic-era Ferraris, how bad can they be?
Seeing this car on city streets reminds me of the days when I'd walk over to the far West Side of Manhattan at lunchtime just for a look at these cars at Sr. Chinetti's establishment.
A rare sight then, even rarer now.
Am I the only one who prefers the four headlight version of this car?
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
But you're right Andys120, the four seaters have many merits and they are bargains to boot. Watch 456 prices come down over the next year. It's a great car with the same attributes you use to describe the 330.
I had a 250 GTE years ago and loved it. I guess I have a soft spot for 4 seaters and plus twos.
Tom
250 GT-2+2 or 330GT 2+2. Like GTO, "2+2" was borrowed by
Pontiac.
But now the same cars are referred to as GTEs. Does anyone know why the term 2+2 has fallen into disuse, to be replaced by GTE?
What's the E stand for?
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Trying to figure out Ferrari nomenclature can sometimes be like trying to decipher Hieroglyphics. The beginning of the 308 series was the 308 GT4, 3 liter, 8 cylinder, Grand Turismo, either 4 cams or 4 seats (you decide, I've heard both). So the 308 followed, then the 328, 3.2 liters, then the 348, 3.4 liters, and finally the 355. 3.5 liters? No, 4 litres. 5 seats, no. 5 cams? LOL, Of course, it's 5 valves per cyl. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it!
What's the difference between a 250GT/SWB Lusso and a 250GT Berlinetta Lusso?
Not much--both have the same short-wheelbase, 2 seats and very similar 3-liter V12s as well as Pininfarina coachwork. Most of the differences are in the coachwork but the later Berlinetta Lusso had a slightly detuned version of the race-winning engine.
The Lusso version of the SWB was the one with steel bodywork, full leather, bumpers and roll-up windows for street use as opposed to the alloy bodied cars which had plexiglass side windows and no bumpers for racing.
At least one alloy-bodied race car was equipped with a radio which Stirling Moss famously turned on while lapping the field at the Goodwood Sportscar Race (c. 1960).
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
A few Lussos were even raced, I've seen pix.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Probably a nice 4-cam engine from a 275GTB/4 would do the trick.
power robbing accessories.
Meanwhile back at the ranch. Autoweeek chimes in on the 612 Scaglietti, ging it a rave review, callin it a "real Ferrari" and noting that it feels plenty fast despite being the biggest car ever made in Maranello.
The article is not online yet but some nice photos in different colors are, scroll down, look for link to 612 gallery halfway down on right...
http://www.autoweek.com/
The Scaglietti seems to wear all colors well, so far I like silver the best but I'd like to see it
in a very dark color (Nero).
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Andys120, what's happening up your way for car events. Did I miss the vintage weekend at Loudon?
Tom
Dunno why it's early this year.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
http://hk.geocities.com/ch_ferrari_2/other_ferrari/1997_ferrari_4- - 56_4door-1.jpg
But of course it's a chop.
Not much different to see, weird disguising, huh?
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Tsaupe, where are you? It's summertime right now and I'm just curious to know how you and your Ferraris are handling the humid NE weather we have now.
Oh yeah, and Tsaupe, if you're still around, what model(s) of Lotus did you own years ago?
The death of Umberto Agnelli likely portends a shift away from the Agnelli family for effective control of the Fiat empire. Executive shuffling has upped Ferrari's Luca DiMontemezolo to the helm of Fiat Auto division while Jean Todt becomes the CEO of Ferrari-Maserati.
If Todt's as successful at Ferrari cars as he's been, Ferrari's future is assured. I don't mind telling you I'm a little concerned about the amount of competition Ferrari faces from Aston-Martin, Lamborghini and Porsche. Todt's success at bringing the Scuderia to the unchallenged forefront of F1 has created an excellent addition to the record of Ferrari in racing that enhances the image of the road cars.
Apparently Todt will continue to oversee Ferrari F1. One might hope that Ferrari will expand there racing efforts to include endurance racing and other forms of motorsport but I'm afraid the costs of F1 racing are sufficiently high to preclude that.
Ferrari sales continue to be strong worldwide as they expand into China which just got their first Ferrari dealership. I believe Schumacher's success has given a shot in the arm to Ferrari sales in the German market. Forza Magazine reports an 18 month waiting list in the USA for the new 612 Scaglietti.
I believe Maseratis are selling well in the US as well, particularly Spyders. Has anyone heard how the Quattroporte is doing? IMO that's a terrific looking car but I'm afraid most Americans are going to think "Buick" when they see those portholes. The US. distributor would be smart to lobby to have them replaced by louvers or slots.
In other news, Audi AG, which controls Lamborghini and Bentley has signed a technical agreement with Ferrari-Maserati. No one's quite sure what this means but it does give VAG a relationship with every high-performance Italian nameplate except perhaps Alfa.
Speaking of Forza, the August issue features a good road test of the 612. You won't be surprised to hear they loved it but read it anyway. They articulate very well what's exciting about this seemingly most sedate of Ferraris.
I'm really anxious to see one of them. The headlights look a little small in some photos but in others they look perfect. Anyone seen one?
Forza, like some others thinks the tail of the 612 is "plain", I disagree. If it doesn't quite match the Daytona, it's still a nice tushy. I think the 612 Scaglietti is the one modern Ferrari that recaptures the glorious elegance of past PF/Ferrari styling and it does it without appearing "retro".
Tsaupe will enjoy the accompanying article about the 250GTE(2+2). It's one of the few that gives the first "mass production" Ferrari credit for it's role in the development of the company and providing the wherewithal for racing victories in the 60's. Tsaupe, there's also a good article about an extensive restoration on a Dino 308GT4.
Talk to me guys.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
The 328 is running strong and we're not sparing the miles as it is scheduled for its 50K major this winter. As a matter of fact we're off to the Hartford Councours Tomorrow AM. There should be some amazing ferraris there. For those who are unfamiliar, this is the largest all Ferrari gathering in the Northeast. Andys120, the 612 will be there.
I've already poured over this month's Forza. I love the 2=2's and think they deserve much more recognition than they receive. The 250 GTE is a particularly sweet car, as is the 330. Hell, I ev3en like the twin headlight version. And the GT4 article made me pine to have mine back.
Regarding Lotuses (Loti?) I had a '63 Elan Drophead and a '72 Elan +2S. Both were great fun to drive. Especially on those rare occasions where the not only got you where you were going but got you home as well. They are the best handling cars I have ever driven and the most frustratingly unreliable machines I've ever owned. I've had other British cars including a Mk IX Jag Saloon. The Lotuses made it seem as reliable as a Toyota!
The only car I ever owned which was worse was a Corvair rust bucket that had about 300K miles on it when it came into our possession.
Hey, weren't you just in Europe? How was the trip?
I think that Ferrari will be in very good hands with Todt, and from what I understand from some of my Italian friends, Luca won't be giving up 100% control. Yes, they face stiffer competition, but they always have and will, no doubt, weather this storm as well. The new Lambos are great but already have a reputation fgor problems. can you imagine paying 300K for a Murcielago, driving it once and then having it spend three months in the shop having a new transmission installed and all the other electronic bugs worked out? I've seen it with my own eyes. that's not going to help them at all.
I don't think Aston has the marketability in this country. For one thing,they suffer (rightly or not) from the English reputation. they're great cars, but I don't think tghey have the recognition factor in this country.
Anyway, I have to get some sleep. I'm up at 6Am to wash the car and detail it for tomorrow.
I'll let you all know what went on at the show.
Tom
Yes, I did indeed spend a semester in Europe. I studied in London from Sept. 1 until Dec. 19, then headed back to the good old U.S. of A. While in London, I got to see some amazing sights, such as Big Ben, Westminster Abbey, Trafalgar Square, and a host of many others. Since my program (Boston U.) required that each student partake in an internship, I worked four days a week at a legal aid firm in Soho with British solicitors. It was pretty awesome.
I did a lot of traveling while in Europe too- unfortunately, I hate to disappoint you, Tsaupe, but I was unable to make it to Italy. My friend from school was studying in Rome that same semester and she told me a story about how she was pickpocketed twice; first in Florence and then in Genoa. It appears as if Italy is notorious for petty crime.
The countries that I did end up going to included Scotland, Wales, Spain, Sweden, and Ireland. In Sweden I stayed in Gothenburg, home of the Volvo factory, and traveled to Trollhattan, where Saab is headquartered. I ended up going to Ireland three separate times because I loved it so much. If you ever have the chance, do go to Eire, especially Galway, as it is rapidly becoming a major city of the island.
I do hope the show in Hartford went well. Also of note: I saw an immacualte-looking 400i two weeks ago with VT plates. It was hard to believe, considering it was never certified for U.S. sale. I don't know too much about the model so someone will have to help me out here.
Oh yeah, Tsaupe, is Paxton, MA anywhere near Waltham? Going down there next month to see a friend who is at Bentley College...
I also saw the new Saab 9-2X in person this weekend at a local dealership. It would be a car right up your alley.
M
As this event featured 2+2s there were several 330s, 365s and a gorgeous 250 GTE. Also a mid 50's 250 spyder, the precursor of the California, a 51(?) 250 Boano and a beautiful Lusso. It was a great event. The kids from the Children's Hospital that the event benefits were there getting rides, sitting in the cars a collecting free Ferrari loot. That's really what makes Hartford so special.
Down side? Well, Linda was under the weather and slept in a chair next to the car for most of the day, and I have a sunburn to beat the band.
Jrosasmc, glad to hear you enjoyed Europe. The British Isles are beautiful. Waltham is about an hour from me, but let me know when you're going to be there and perhaps we could meet in Weston at the shop that works on my car.
FYI the 365 & 400i, of which there were several at the show this weekend, was a forerunner of the 456. A full four seater with a V12 and auto transmission option. I think they look great and owners tell me they are fantastic to drive. Unfortunately they suffer from the Ferrari "big car" stigma as far as price is concerned. Too big and too many seats to fit most people's image of an Fcar, with the same maintenance bills as the more exotic cars. That V12 is basically the same one that's in the Daytona. Therefore the prices are deflated which puts them into the realm of cars a lot of people can afford but then can't afford to maintain.
Merc1, great race, but I was appalled at how long it took them to get to Ralf. That's just unacceptable. The Montoya fiasco was another black eye for the FIA and F1. But the results are great!
Jrosasmc, let me know if you're going, it would be nice to meet up and have a face to go with the name. Same for you, Andys120.
Oh yeah, while we're on the subject, were the Ferrari 512 TRs of the early '90s the exact same car as the Testarossas?
I will try to make it Sunday, Tom.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
the 512 tr is the last iteration of the Tessarossa. Larger engine, alot more power, and some refinements to the body. The improvements were much needed, as the car was becoming long in the tooth. the 512s have really held their value because of them.
Molto Grazie! it was a great experience. After more than 3 hours I'm still buzzin' and sparking inside. I'm now convinced that they make Ferraris in Italy because there are no words
in English for the sheer wonderfulness of Ferrari cars.
Thanks again, Tom.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Jrosasmc, you missed some great cars, among the Ferraris was a lovely 330 GTC, A coupe of TRs, including a 512, A 550 and a gorgeous 360 Spider. A couple of Alfa Guilllettas, a Montreal and a couple of GTVs. One each Fiat 124 Spyder and Lamborghini Diablo VT drop top. About 35 cars in all.
All that coupled with the beautiful weather and finally meeting Andys120, made for a great day. Next stop, the Ferrari weekend at Limerock, July 9-10.
Tom
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
M
M
Not as bad as a McLaren F1, however. The clutch is $12,000, a new starter motor is $12,000, and an overhaul for the transaxle is $100,000.
Of course, if you are spending a million to get one of these cars, that's not so bad, relatively speaking.