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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado
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I think the other advantage that the Big3 have in terms of trucks is the number of parts and the population's knowledge on how to fix things and what to look for in case of a mechanical problem. That will take anybody years to get established, but vehicles are getting more and more reliable every year. This Tundra is a serious truck and at the very least, it gives this segment a new level to reach for. No doubt it will sell well.
Chevy's website...
click trailering
But on the Build/Price function you cannot get this Max Trailering Pack on any Silverado. So you're back to < 9000# with the 3.73 rearend.
It is available on the Sierra
Rocky
Here be 2 trains tied up, more needin to be added:
Here is that 52 GMC, taken years back now, it sure don't look this good now days:
Here be Franklins boy, playin on that farmall:
Good luck on this one now!
Well dem farmers, ya know trust dem merican brands out dare on da farm ya know ?
Rocky
They would have posted the above themselves, but they are real farmers/ranchers and they don't have a computer much less even know what an on line forum is.
have that "haul" they need!
Think of the extra "haul" stashed in that innovative
in bed trunk on them ones now !
Haven't seen you post the virtues of them ones lately?
Why bother with either a Silverado or tundra?
regards, DQ
We haul this massey about now and again. Haulin this one is wearin that 52 GMC down now. Hopin that new tundra can haul this one around now. Hopin them pumkins don't pop on them ones now! Good luck on this one now!
It wouldn't be because it couldn't do the job at all would it ?
Bottom Line, they need to get a Tundra. If they use and abuse it as much as they did their Silverado, they will find it also will break. No truck is bullet proof being on the farm after years of use. Especially if they only own one work truck. It's a machine and will wear. I will say that the last generation silverado had one noted weakness and that was on the door hinges which GM, told me the new one would have heavy duty ones. The door hinges would wear out prematurely but the rest of the truck was pretty solid if taken care of and not abused. My FIL farms 5000 acres and uses Big 3 domestic trucks on his farm. He bought a Toyota Tundra, some years back and had to get rid of it because it couldn't pull, haul, or take the abuse of being on the farm. He said his next truck will indeed be a new Duramax 3/4 ton or if his Dodge holds up well he might settle for a half-ton Silvy/Sierra.
He likes his 05' 1-ton Dodge Cummins but said the fuel economy is horrible and wished for a bit more power. He of course owns the 6 speed manual as he doesn't trust Dodge automatics. He likes the power of the Ford Powerstrokes but steers clear of them because of the navistar engine issue. He is a big fan of the Allisson transmission that is on the Silvy/Sierra and thus it is reliable for pulling. He also heard from his farmer buddy's that have told him the new Duramax with 365 hp and 650 lbs of tq. is the most powerful on the market in terms of power, acceleration, and get the best fuel economy of all the diesel's. He said the F-450 looks nice but that is more truck than he would needs and doesn't know if Ford/Navistar got the engine problem worked out yet. He asked me and I didn't know.
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BTW- congrats on the new GMC Sierra Denali. you need to send me pics of it when you pick her up. What color did you get ?
The 2007' GMC Sierra Denali is indeed the KING of all half-ton Trucks. :shades:
Rocky
P.S. They told me the Sierra Denali, isn't a fair comparo because it's a luxury truck. Well why does this luxury truck cost less than a Tundra Limited CrewMax ? :P
Well why not buy the best ? Why would he want to settle for a underpowered Tundra when he can upgrade and get a 6.2 VVT V8 400 horsepower/417 lbs torque GMC Sierra Denali ????
Perhaps he looks at it this way when he isn't out pulling around Tundra's in tow contests, or whipping them 0-60, or towing them out of the ditch, or pulling them back to their residence because their 5.7 sludge up on them, he will have the best work-truck on the market with enough luxury and comfort to take the misses to the country club for a romantic evening.
Sorry I had to....... :P
Rocky
I personally also am leaning towards buying a new Sierra Denali, as my next automobile. Why not own the best ? :shades:
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If Toyota wanted to make a Lexus interior, I think they could handle that. They felt buttons that are small like on the Denali would hinder people who use the truck commercially. Can't be used with gloves on, etc.
I've sat in the interior, and I had a problem with the color scheme on the dash, but the dash itself isn't much different than other Toyotas, it's just much bigger.
Considering how bad the interior was of the last Silverado, anyone complaining about the Tundra interior needs to get some perspective, or hasn't been in many full-sized trucks. The last Silverado was CHEAP. :sick:
DrFill
Well THAT'S interesting......since the CrewMax isn't supposed to be on the dealer lots until March...... :confuse:
As for interiors, I can understand how this would be a subjective area for many as people's tastes differ. I agree that the Denali's interior is nice, but all we have are pictures as the 07 is not offered in "Denali" trim yet (not sure when that will arrive but they are offering 07 Denali in the "classic" Chevy -- basically the older model), and the previous model's interior was hand's down the worst of all the trucks. Nissan, Ford, Dodge, Toyota -- all of them had better interiors than GM's previous model lineup. The 07's brought about a drastic change and I'll be eager to see the new Denali in person to be a good judge of it as I'm sure it will be made well. But having said that, the Chevy version (which this forum is about) has an interior that, although it is much nicer than the previous version, is still worse than the Tundra. Cheap plastic all around on their top-of-the-line model with a sticker price that is as high as the Tundra's. Not saying that Toyota's is the absolute best, but having seen the Silveraldo this weekend convinced me that the Tundra's interior is better overall. The model on the dealership floor even had seams that were uneven (i.e. wide gap on one end of the dash on the passenger's side tapering to a narrower gap at the other end, back-door seam larger than front-door seam). I even pointed it out to the salesman who admitted that crew cabs in the LTZ trim were currently hard to come by. This was their top model and it was nice to see 12-way power seats on both sides -- easy to get into a comfortable position. Mechanically the Silveraldo was pretty good and it is a large truck as well. But the interior was behind what I saw in the Tundra for sure -- especially in terms of materials. The one thing I will say was evident as a Tundra weakness was the leather seats... for some reason the leather in the Tundra I saw was not very good and certainly not as good as the Chevy's.
So, overall it is a pretty good comparison between the Silveraldo and the Tundra. Again, it will most likely come down to preferences as they compare pretty well.
But, unless the Denali offers so many other features than the Silveraldo, I don't see how the Tundra could be considered a "failure" by comparison.
The Tundra offers a lot of features that even the Denali doesn't have. I know that for most people, towing, etc. is probably more of a numbers game and bragging rights than anything, but I definitely think the Tundra is a serious truck and is done very well. Everything from the construction of the frame to the transmission and storage compartments are very well thought out. Even the little things like the tailgate's soft landing is a welcome addition to a sector that has had little innovation present outside pure power numbers.
Again, there is no real threat to the GM trucks -- but I think it is for very different reasons -- the Toyota is, in my opinion, a better overall package than the Silveraldo (I would need to see an 07 "new" Denali to make that claim) and certainly much better than the "classic" versions of both the Denali and the Silveraldo. But most people will stay with GM because there is loyalty there and there isn't a few features that Toyota completely blasts one out of the park on compared with the new GM offerings. I think Nissan will be hurt the most, followed by Ford. Dodge and GM should loose a little business, but not much. Even though I think the Tundra is an overall much better package, again, there isn't that one "got-to-have-it" feature to lure competition away, but then again, most Toyota buyers don't look for that... they want the great package and reliability.
i have to admit the silvys and sierras dash look pretty nice. But i like the truck interior look better. Dont really like the car look so much.
i prefer the look of this one. Doesnt look bland
a fully loaded tundra with all the extras like you stated arnt over 50k here in the U.S. Canada sure makes you guys bend over :P
Actually, it's hard to say.
The Tundra has 2 distinct 4-door models: the DoubleCab and the CrewMax. The are virtually identical except in legroom.
The Tundra DoubleCab has front/rear legroom of 42.5" / 34.7".
The Tundra CrewMax has front/rear legroom of 42.5" / 44.5".
Yes, the rear legroom in GREATER than the front legroom in the CrewMax.
As comparison, the '07 Silvy CrewCab measures 41.3" / 38.7". So it looks as though the Silvy CrewCab slots nearly halfway between a DoubleCab and a CrewMax.
The Dealer gave a new Sierra for the weekend that just passed. It's an SLT with the 5.3 and it's a pretty nice truck.
Just a note to those comparing MPG -- do the conversion when talking with people from Canada (I know, I used to be Canadian and spent most of the first 26 years of my life there). A Canadian gallon is ~ 4.54 liters (litres for Canadians!) as opposed to 3.78 liters. So when they say they get 15-16mpg city and 18-20mpg hwy (as you stated), it is really equivalent to 15to16/4.54 * 3.78 = ~12.5to13.33mpg city and 18to20/4.54 * 3.78 = ~15to16.67mpg highway.
That is just so we can compare apples to apples... a number of my friends in Canada thought that cars in Canada somehow were more fuel-efficient until they understood this conversion. It is the difference between the two types of gallons (imperial and standard?). Anyhow, that still isn't too bad for an engine that size compared to other offerings here.