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Honda FCX - Fuel Cell
"Honda will be the first carmaker to provide a fuel-cell vehicle to a customer in the U.S. in 2002."
From Edmunds' News/Headlines section: Honda Plans Fuel Cell Debut in '02. Anyone else have more information to share...? Thanks for your participation!
What do you think? ;-)
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From Edmunds' News/Headlines section: Honda Plans Fuel Cell Debut in '02. Anyone else have more information to share...? Thanks for your participation!
What do you think? ;-)
Revka
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A true Hydrogen re-fuel infastruture will take this kind of thinking also ... I'd like to see the development of Fusion Reactors fast-tracked by democratic world governments ... this kind of self-sustaining reaction reactor would make the production of Hydrogen clean, cheap and perpetual ... hell it might cure our reliance on non-renewable fossil fuels for good!
http://world.honda.com/news/2002/4020724.html
30 Echo-sized vehicles, that require a H2-refueling infrastructure and have a range of 355km? I think it'll be along time before H2 completely replaces gas/diesel, but it could be a viable alternative for the "2nd commuter car" fairly shortly. Even that would be good, given the amount of smog we get blowing in from Buffalo, Detroit and Toronto: 400 to 700km's away! And hey, it beats the heck out of good city planning!!!
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Oh and about the FCX, Americans would laugh at it's size and shape. Plus, how will all these tiny little fuel cell cars pass crash tests?
OK, what would the F-150 have looked like if it had crashed into a 2000 lb vehicle? And what would the Mini have looked like if it had crashed into a 5500 lb vehicle?
Size has everything to do with safety when you are driving in the open road , and there are lots of big vehicles out there. As the NHTSB site says, their data is only valid for collisions with a similar sized vehicle.
This is the reason large vehicles are so popular.
Size of a vehicle has no direct relationship to vehicle deaths. Look at that page I referenced - there are small cars in the low death stats and large trucks in the high death stats.
Very few times are there head-on collisions between 6000 pound vehicles and 2000 pound vehicles. Extra safety of larger vehicles is mostly a myth, because they roll over more often.
Good thing people don't use "I have to prepare myself for a head on collision with a 6000 pound vehicle" as a buying point, because if so, the environment would be a lot worse off, and gas would be heading to $7 a gallon by now because of huge demand.
Sales of larger vehicles include people saying "I feel safer and higher up" which is just a rationalization, not a real reason. Soccer Mom talk.
Does anyone have any idea where the hydrogen comes from which will be at the 'emerging network of hydrogen refueling stations'? Will the hydrogen be generated on site and, if so, what is the power source?
Apparently, the hydrogen at these refueling systems will be generated on-site using natural gas (unless someone can correct me on that).
Which leads to a further question: given the inefficiencies of generating hydrogen from natural gas (more energy is consumed to generate the hydrogen than energy available in the hydrogen) as well as the inefficiencies within the fuel cell and drivetrain of the vehicle, wouldn't it make more sense to simply burn the natural gas directly in a natural gas powered vehicle?
Or are these the type of questions that one shouldn't ask when discussing fuel cells?
Hmmm, interesting question. I had always assumed that it would be produced by cleaner buring technologies, like wind, solar, or hydro (or atomic, if the waste problem can be resolved). Otherwise, while hydrogen gets us out of oil, it doesn't help pollution.
"I had always assumed that it would be produced by cleaner buring technologies, like wind, solar, or hydro..."
Yeah, we've got SUCH an excess of power from wind, solar, or hydro, I'm sure we'd have no problem using it for large scale hydrogen production..... :confuse:
The reality is, with large fleets of hydrogen fuel cell cars, the hydrogen will HAVE to be produced through the consumption of fossil fuels at either large scale production plants or at the hydrogen refueling station. But, since it takes MORE energy to produce the hydrogen than can POTENTIALLY be extracted in a fuel cell, the overall energy balance would mean the consumption of MORE fossil fuels with a transition to hydrogen fuel cells, rather than less.
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