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Scion bbx (closed/linked to our Scion xB discussion)
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I understand it's 'not okay' to complain about Toyota here on Edmunds, but really now. YUCK.
It's based on the Echo platform, so expect to see a 1.5L VVT-i motor in it.
The Echo platform is an expensive platform for Toyota, so they want to use it as much as possible.
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/bB/
I think it is an insult to Gen Xers to foist that thing on them.
It looks like it was put in a trash masher but stopped halfway.
UGLY IMHO!
I doubt that will be the final design because on the website it states:
"The vehicle pictured reflects just one interpretation of this transportation device."
I think Toyota wants feedback.
As terrible as the BBX is , the CCX, Concept Coupe Crossover, is a lot more interesting.
Yet another hatchback.
You can read all about them at http://www.scion.com/see/see_ccx00.html
Interesting website.
Hint: "Supra" or "new Celica" or "Corolla fastback" or "MR2 coupe."
What I'd like to see from Scion is a coupe based on the Corolla, with a hatchback. It would use the Corolla's and Camry's [4-cylinder] engines; NOT the Celica GT-S' engine. If too many cars have that engine, no one will want a Celica anymore.
verozahl: The Supra couldn't be a Scion. It's too powerful, and too high priced. It'd be great if it was, but don't hold your breath. To put it into perspective: How many average teens can afford a New 350Z, or an Acura NSX?
Toyota, with the Celica, the Matrix, and a Corolla S with two doors and a hatch, would be a real youth-oriented automaker again. The Supra would be the "unattainable dream halo sports coupe" for Corolla coupe/fastback guys to drool about in their sleep. But no, they don't have a clue, so they are doing this SCION thing.
Scion would be to Toyota what Mini is to BMW. A super stylish niche-brand. But Toyota is trying to build it from scratch whereas BMW got into this segment by buying a brand with existing heritage.
If Scion models are all just Toyota's that the corporation thinks younger folks want, I agree it will be lame. You can't just shift models from one brand to another like they talk about doing with the Matrix. If they instead make this new brand a sort of style and engineering testing ground it could be really unique. Not as a mass market brand like Toyota but as a smaller niche brand. I, for one, would like to have more options than just the conservative cars aimed at the american market. I say bring on the mini's and scion's and let somebody try and make cool cars that we can afford.
Dictionary.com says Scion:1 A descendant or heir.
2.also ci·on (sn) A detached shoot or twig containing buds from a woody plant, used in grafting
From the specs here on edmunds, the BBX doesn't make much since. A 1.5 liter 4 with 17" wheels. All bark, but no bite. A Japanese utility wagon/box in the U.S. market without any style or the utility. Ugly (maybe its just the color) and filled with a large sound system. I think that the mini vehicles like this are cool, and practible, but don't change them to something that the few who do like them no longer does (my opinion).
Normal Japanese styling with a 1.8 or 2 liter engine and a low, low price would be more like it.
If Daihatsu didn't work, what makes them think Scion will?
I agree that to cut it here they will have to up the engine size or add forced induction. In the US it has to be fast (somewhat anyway) to be cool. All the younger folk want from Toyota is a new supra, but what percent could afford one. Most of the people that can actually afford it would probably spend their money elsewhere.
I like two seater GT's as much as the next guy but other cars types can be cool too. I just wish more people could feel that way. It makes no sense demanding only cars that we can't afford.
What scion really needs though (because of what I just said) is a small affordable urban sports car. Something like the Smart sporty car concept that is headed for production.
That's not even moving. Especially in that BOX! Gwak.
Nissan: "yeah, we got a clue."
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Didn't anyone see all the kids hot-rodding civics and eclipses for the last ten years or so?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Anyone out there know if they have announced official pricing yet? I don't think they have.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
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http://www.cars.com/news/stories/122702_storya_an.jhtml?aff=national
The production version of the bbX will be shown in the next few days along side another SCION vehicle which will not be the ccX. I expect it to be the IST. The Japanese version can be seen here.
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/ist/index.html
cars.com is reporting that the production model will be called the xB.
http://www.scion.com
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