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  • gluckgluck Member Posts: 23
    edited July 2011
    How well am I doing on a lease in socal?
    328i with premum pckg. MSRP $38125 for $34945
    payments $418. with $878 down 12000 mile/36 months.
    Money factor - .00175 residual 64%.
    It'll be .00190 for credit less than 740.

    Can I do better?
  • rob34rob34 Member Posts: 58
    Car Man or Kyfdx, please let me know if this is a good LEASE deal. I live in Seattle. Excuse me for cutting and pasting. The drive certificate is just some promotional thing I got for going to this Oympic support event at the dealership. Would really appreciate your expert advise which helped me a lot with my last purchase.

    VEHICLE
    Vehicle: 2011 BMW 3-SERIES 1143 4dr Sdn 335xi
    Stock #:
    VIN:
    Miles: 8

    PURCHASE OPTION
    Vehicle Price: $52,700.00
    Preferred Customer Discount: $2,500.00
    AWD CREDIT: $1,840.00
    DRIVE CERTIFICATE: $1,000.00

    Total Selling Price: $47,360.00

    Sales Tax (estimate): + $4,641.28
    Tag/Registration Fees (estimate): + $203.25
    Documentation Fee: + $150.00
    Balance Due (estimate): $52,354.53
    No Trade-In

    LEASE OPTIONS
    Cash Due 36 months
    Rebates: $750
    12,000 Miles
    $1,082 $655 - I would do this option.
    $3,000 $597
    $5,000 $535

    The payments have the sales tax included.

    The cap cost (sale price) is $46,610 after all of the discounts are factored in, including the $750 lease cash currently being offered. There is a $925 acquisition fee that BMW charges added back in to the cap cost. so a net cap of $47,535.

    Residual is 60% of the MSRP or $31,620

    The money factor is .00195

    The up front money is your first monthly payment, license fee, doc fee and tax on the $750 rebate ($73.50)

    Thanks in advance for your help!!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,760
    1) The base acq.fee is $725.. the dealer is marking up the maximum allowable $200 for extra profit (typical)

    2) I show the base MF for the 335xi sedan as .00175.. If you are a returning customer, the loyalty rate is .00145.. It looks like they are marking up your rate for extra profit.. If you aren't a returning customer, and aren't making a security deposit (.00015 bump for that), then they aren't marking it up much...

    3) On your first option, I calculate $596/mo.+ tax.. The payment looks correct with those parameters if your sales tax is nearly 10%.. That's assuming your state taxes the monthly payment..

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • rob34rob34 Member Posts: 58
    Thanks for the fast reply. This is their initial offer. I am a returning customer, many times returning. Tax is nearly 10% in Washington. 3 questions. So you are ok witht he cap cost? Should I be getting .00145 without question if credit rating is great etc? How much would that reduce my monthly payment? Or another way of asking is what should my monthly payment be with .00145 not including tax even if I pay the extra $200 acq. fee?

    Thanks for all your help.
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    2011 328I Sedan
    sales price $35,500.00
    acquisition fee 925.00
    cap fee $5
    sales tax $2234.17 ( Tx we have to pay tax on full price of car. )
    gross cap cost
    $36,430

    cap cost reduction
    customer cash $1,000
    rebate $750
    net cap cost 36,914.67

    MSRP $37,000
    residual 64% $23,680.00
    annual miles 12k

    money factor .0020

    advanced payment $488.82
    total cap reduction $1750
    upfront charges $ 289.05

    Monthly Payment $488.82

    Any thoughts ? sales price seems ok, fee's and MF a little inflated ??

    Thanks,
    DL
  • ekoblenzekoblenz Member Posts: 14
    Hello,

    I'm relatively new at this and would like to close on a deal on Friday. Will appreciate if you can advise if this is a good deal.

    2011 335 i X
    10K miles per year
    36 month lease
    Includes: Nav, Premium, cold weather package, rear park sensor, HK audio package,Dakota leather.
    MSRP - $52,300
    Selling price - $45,693

    Due at signing - $3219
    which includes:
    Motor vehicle fee - $502.27
    NJ Tax - $1377.80
    Doc fee - $75
    Bank fee -$725
    First month - $526.61
    Tire & lease fee - $12.50

    Monthly - $526.61

    Thank you in advance.
  • smiley10smiley10 Member Posts: 24
    If you don't mind saying what dealer gave you the under $500 deal on your leased convertible in northeast. thanks
  • infodocinfodoc Member Posts: 2
    Hi,

    I'm in IL, so these options are all Owner's Choice rather than traditional leases so I can avoid the monthly use tax. Anyway, I have a couple of initial offers, and I'd like help knowing how to proceed.

    Option 1
    2011 BMW 325i
    Dealer demo w/2800 miles
    Premium package
    Cold weather package
    Price $35,900
    OC Interest 5.5%
    Residual 62.5%
    Monthly payment ~ $510

    Option 2
    2011 BMW 325xi
    Brand new
    Premium package
    heated seats
    heated steering wheel
    Price $38,580
    OC interest 7.2%
    Residual 63%
    Monthly payment ~ $599

    Both are for 36K/36mo. I realize they're not the same car. xDrives are more common here, but I'm happy with RWD. I'm also not worried about the differences in features. I'd be happy with either car. I just want to figure out the best deal for each of them. So, my questions are

    1. What % of MSRP should I be paying for a demo with 2800 miles? The price he quoted (option 1) is a discount of about 9.9% off MSRP.
    2. What % of MSRP should I be paying for a new car? The price quoted there (option 2) is 5.6% below sticker.
    3. How low can OC interest go? My credit score is 825.

    From what I can tell from other posts, I should be able to get 10% below sticker for a new car, so I'm hoping even lower for a demo. Anyone else out there with Owner's Choice interest rates to compare?

    Thanks for your help!
  • connbudsconnbuds Member Posts: 1
    This sounds like a good deal. What dealership are you using? I was quoted $436 for zero down on a 2011 328i a few days ago, but for 10000 miles 36 month @ MSRP of ~$38,000.
  • asadeeeasadeee Member Posts: 2
    Take a look at this deal that Ft. Worth, Texas Autobahn BmW is offering.
    www.autobahnbmw.com

    $428/month with only $428 down owner's choice on any 328i with an msrp under $39,000. The balloon payment at the end of the 3 years 36 month/12k mile terms is $24,960. I am not sure what the money factor will be. They are bringing it in from their port warehouse.

    I guess I wanted to get your feedback on the owner's choice program. In 3 years does 24,960 seem reasonable?

    Thanks,

    Dallas, TX

    p.s. let me know if i should post on the forum.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,933
    is it a lease or a balloon note?
    You say balloon payment, but the mileage limit indicates lease. If it is a lease, the residual really doesn't matter in this case. If the car is worth less than the residual at lease end, then just give the car back and walk away. If it is worth more, than you can buy it at a bargain price.

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  • asadeeeasadeee Member Posts: 2
    well this is a hybrid financing option that some BMW dealers still do. "owner's choice" you get lower payments of a lease with less down but you're the owner. it is an actual balloon payment fixed at the end. the mileage limitations are consistent with a lease.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,760
    You see these a lot in Texas and Illinois, because those states charge tax on the full selling price of the car, even on a lease..

    By doing the balloon note, you have title to the car, and can take advantage of the trade-in sales tax credit.

    I think the reason there are mileage limitations, is because Owners Choice allows you to return the car, instead of paying the balloon amount..

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,933
    So it sounds like what GM/Chrysler used to do. Can't remember what they called it. We did it with the wife's Pacifica. Treated it just like a lease and turned it in at the end. No problems except there was a turn-in fee at the end equal to about 1 month payment. In that instance, it was a great deal, too. $0 down and $485/mo on a $39k vehicle. Buyout was something like $18k, which was way more than it was worth at the end.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,760
    I think they called it a SmartLease, though that might have been something else..

    I never shop GM/Chrysler.... lol

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  • discostewdiscostew Member Posts: 29
    BMW corp won't tell me (they must know by now). Car and Driver says no. Dealer says yes :confuse: However the dealer can't order one yet because they don't have the info from BMW yet.

    If you have real info - please let me know as I want to order a new 2012 328xi for Euro delivery soon. Otherwise I will buy a used A4 Avant. It is a crazy shame how many Euro wagons are no longer being brought into the US - V70, V50, C300, A6, 535, Passat... I sure hope the 328xi isn't next, especially since it is one of the last to offer a manual.
  • ekoblenzekoblenz Member Posts: 14
    Hi Guys,

    Here is the deal i closed:

    2011 BMW 335iX
    MSRP - 54,580
    Invoice - 48,790
    Total due at signing - $ 3360 - first month, motor vehicle, bank fee and (NJ) sales tax
    36 month / 10K per year.
    Monthly - $577
  • carexpert08carexpert08 Member Posts: 49
    I would like to know if this was a coupe or sedan?
  • ekoblenzekoblenz Member Posts: 14
    This is a Sedan.
  • ekoblenzekoblenz Member Posts: 14
    BTW, does this seem like a reasonable deal?
  • roatmanroatman Member Posts: 7
    New to BMW's - looking for 328xi or 335xi - CPO. What pkgs should I be looking at? - I live in New England. Looking for < 30K miles - what's a reasonable price? Not stuck on 335 - not sure if I would notice the additional performance?
    Thanks in advance
  • poorlawyerpoorlawyer Member Posts: 1
    edited September 2011
    I'm looking to purchase a new, 2011 335i sedan. I'm interested in the Sport and Premium packages. I'm aware that the 2012 model will be a significant redesign. Consequently, I think that the 2011s remaining on dealer lots should command a substantial discount. What pre-tax price would you consider a good deal, assuming the MSRP is $52,000? Thank you in advance for your help. [EDIT: I'm located in Texas, in case that is helpful.]
  • fabs335ifabs335i Member Posts: 2
    I can only briefly comment on the performance difference between the 328i & 335i, since I had the pleasure of owning both. If you are a first timer with BMW, then yes go ahead and get the 328i, it's a fun car to drive. Later you may want to get into a 335i where you will notice a big difference in performance! Once you get into a 335i you ask yourself why you didn't do that sooner.
  • sharkalasharkala Member Posts: 48
    I just got a lease price for the following:
    12K/36m
    2012 328 convertible
    mineral white
    red leather
    navigation
    convenience
    premium
    satellite
    harmon kardon
    automatic

    The msrp: 55,225 purchase price: 51,248

    $2765 up front
    $$645 a month

    Please let me know if this is a good deal..
  • olivioboliviob Member Posts: 23
    edited September 2011
    Hey there, considering this 328i 4 dr sedan LEASE from a Southern California dealer. Seems like a good deal. Thoughts?

    Black ext/Oyster int
    Prem & Value packages
    Navigation
    BMW Apps/Assist
    BT/SAT
    Leather
    Xenon

    PURCHASE OPTION
    Vehicle Price: $41,375.00
    Preferred Customer Discount: - $4,490.00
    Total Selling Price: $36,885.00

    Sales Tax (estimate): + $3,260.25
    Tag/Registration Fees (estimate): + $310.00
    Other: + $29.00
    Flat Add/County Fee: + $10.00
    Smog Abatement Fee: + $20.00
    Documentation Fee: + $55.00
    Balance Due (estimate): $40,569.25
    No Trade-In

    LEASE OPTIONS (tax included)
    Cash Due 36 months
    10,000 Miles
    $1,500 $457
    $3,000 $411
    $4,500 $366
  • rrt1rrt1 Member Posts: 9
    edited September 2011
    I am looking at a used 13000 mile 2011 328i MSRP 44,675.00. The dealer has discounted it to 38,990.00. Is this a good deal? Car has the following, Convenience Package, Cold weather Package, Premium Package, Value Package, Steptronic, Nav, etc.

    Is this a good deal or should it be discounted more? They are offering me a lease @36 months/15000/year no money down for 598.00.

    Thanks for all inputs. This is the first time looking at BMW's

    Need to know ASAP
  • mortiennemortienne Member Posts: 30
    edited September 2011
    According to Truecar.com, you could buy that car for around $41,000 so you'll have to decide if it's worth 13,000 miles to save $2,000. Something to bear in mind is that you're leasing the car for 45,000 miles, so the car could have up to 58,000 miles on it when you return it. The warranty will run out at 50,000 (and possibly the included maintenance too).

    As for the numbers, the new lease figures should be 0.00190 money factor and 61% residual if I remember correctly. Assuming you're paying all the fees up front, then I make the payment to be $451 plus tax. Because it's used, they'll be using different figures.

    If you were to buy the same car new, and get it for $41,000, then your monthly should be around $512+tax.

    Bear in mind, I'm no professional at this. Just pulling in info from different sources. I did sell Infinitis for a couple of years though :)
  • rrt1rrt1 Member Posts: 9
    Thanks mortienne! I really dont know what to do. Can you give me your opinion on what you would do? Should I just look at another brand new one or take this one. Their lease price was including all fees and taxes no money down for 598.00. 36 months/1500/yr.
  • kball2kball2 Member Posts: 62
    What are the current money factor, residual %, and other incentives for the 2011 335i (Sedan) and 2011 335d. Term is 36 months and 10k miles per year. I am a current BMW owner.

    I am seeing $1,000 bonus cash (loyalty) and $750 dealer cash. Is there also a reduction in the money factor for a returning customer?

    How does the $3,500 ECO credit work on the BMW 335d - is this a discount? I typically can get a deal $750 to $1,000 above invoice - so can I subtract the $3,500 from that price?

    Thanks
  • 4tune4tune Member Posts: 55
    edited September 2011
    I was given a quote for a mineral white saddle brown 2011 3 series coupe and wanted to know if it's the right price
    2100 due at signing. Includes first months payment tax title etc
    $550 a month for 10 k miles/year
    The car has premium pkg and value pkg with nav Sirius satellite radio, iPod adapter

    Please help. Don't know how to negotiate dealer says it's a 46k car
  • insidecarbuyinsidecarbuy Member Posts: 95
    The money factor is .00190 and for a 36 month lease with 10,000 miles per year the residual is 61%. You should be looking for $1,500 behind invoice then the $3,500 ECO credit, then the $750 bonus cash and the loyalty can be used as $1,000 or to reduce the money factor by .00030. The mark up from M.S.R.P. to invoice is 7% on any BMW. So if the M.S.R.P. is $54,350 your selling price should be $43,795.00 if you use the loyalty off the selling price.
  • insidecarbuyinsidecarbuy Member Posts: 95
    What model 3-series? What is the M.S.R.P.? Sounds very high....
  • insidecarbuyinsidecarbuy Member Posts: 95
    The 335i sedan currently has a credit for auto transmission of $1,305.00 and APR cash of $750. You should be looking for a selling price of $1,500 to $2,000 behind invoice minus incentives... So on a $52,000 car the selling price should be between $44,305 and $44,805 if your financing. Don't forget about the 1.9% for 36 months and 2.9% for 60 months special APR rate.
  • kball2kball2 Member Posts: 62
    edited September 2011
    Insidecarbuy,

    Thanks for the information. Where did you get the $1,500 behind invoice? It is typically difficult to get behind invoice on a BMW unless there is some program supporting it.

    If I were to offer $43,795 (per the example) the dealer would be making zero on the car - correct?

    Do you have current rates for a 335i sedan (3 years, 10k miles per year)?

    Thanks
  • firedudefiredude Member Posts: 7
    Dealer around Washington, DC area quoted the following last night:

    328i Sapphire Black/Black, Value Pkg, Premium Pkg, Cold Weather Package, Sat Radio. MSRP $42,275. Price quoted $38,290, less $750 if I finance with BMW.

    Good deal?

    Thanks,

    RIP...
  • sharkalasharkala Member Posts: 48
    I just got a lease price for the following:
    12K/36m
    2012 328 convertible
    mineral white
    red leather
    navigation
    convenience
    premium
    satellite
    harmon kardon
    automatic
    value

    The msrp: 55,225 purchase price: 51,248
    Residual 65%
    Money factor.0020

    $2765 up front
    $$637 a month

    Please let me know if this is a good deal..
  • 4tune4tune Member Posts: 55
    It's a 328xi coupe
    Dealer is ready to give it for invoice. He says residual is 67% and he is saying money factor is .00225. The payment comes to 543/ month. As a reminder its a

    Mineral white
    Saddle brown
    Value pkg
    Premium pkg
    Nav
    Sat radio

    0 down
    925 BMW bank fee
    349 doc fee
  • 1buffdaddy1buffdaddy Member Posts: 12
    Is there any way to get one of these certificates if you did not actually attend the event? I know that sounds terrible, but I was recovering from surgery during that time and now I am about $1,000 away from the deal I want.
  • boco063boco063 Member Posts: 5
    Looking at a 2011 335d. Jet black, oyster interior. Pretty well loaded (sports, premium, convenience, cold weather, idrive, etc)

    MSRP is 56750 and the offer on the table is $49400. (56750 - 3500 eco - 1000 loyalty - 750 finance/lease cash).

    Edmunds gives a TMV of 50,354. I am assuming that includes the 3500 eco credit, but not the 1750 for loyalty / finance.

    For a 2011, I think I should be getting closer to invoice, however I saw an earlier post talking about prices up to 1500 _under_ invoice. Is there a factory to dealer incentive that I'm missing somewhere?

    --B.
  • dilberticdilbertic Member Posts: 63
    Hi All,
    I found this BMW for sale and wrote the sales manager to see what type of lease deal I could get:
    2011 3281X with 14k miles on it. It was the dealer Demo car and BMW special Fin still applies:
    ALPINE WHITE - BEIGE DAKOTA LEATHER, CONVENIENCE PACKAGE, PREMIUM PACKAGE, VALUE PACKAGE, ALL-WHEEL DRIVE, HEATED STEERING WHEEL, DARK BURL WALNUT WOOD TRIM, DYNAMIC CRUISE CONTROL, HK SURROUND SOUND. No Nav :(
    Vehicle Price: $43,890.00, Preferred Customer Discount: - $6,905.00
    Total Selling Price: $36,985.00, Sales Tax (estimate): + $3,058.19
    Tag/Registration Fees (estimate): + $310.00, Flat Add/County Fee: + $20.00
    Electronic Filing: + $29.00 Smog Abatement Fee: + $20.00
    Documentation Fee: + $55.00
    Balance Due (estimate): $40,477.19

    Down / Payment
    $910 $472
    $4,060 $375
    $6,160 $309

    Any feedback for price / payments :)
  • tennbergtennberg Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2011
    What current incentives are available for October 2011 for a 2011 335xi sedan? The sales guy at my dealership mentioned 2 incentives for me - an $1840 "navigation" credit as well as a loyalty incentive (either $1000 or 0.00030 off the MF). Is that all that is available? Others have mentioned $750 dealer cash as well. Would that also be available in my case?
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    edited October 2011
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  • marker70marker70 Member Posts: 12
    Hi,

    can someone tell me what the current MF and Residual is for a 2012 328 X Drive wagon. I'm looking at 3 yr/15k miles. Can I get this car for below invoice and if so, how much below?

    Thanks!
  • anh3anh3 Member Posts: 75
    edited October 2011
    The offer I got currently is $46,950 otd. Good price as packaged? payment will be at $843x60 months with financing at 2.9% = $50,580. Haven't negotiate the trade in price yet, we'll see.

    335i Sedan
    Rear-wheel drive
    Base MSRP $42,050
    Space Gray Metallic $550
    Chestnut Brown Dakota Leather $0
    Glacier Silver Aluminum trim $0
    Performance Edition Package $550
    M Sport Package $3,750
    Premium Package 2 $2,650
    Heated front seats $500
    Harman Kardon surround sound system $875
    iPod and USB adapter $0
    Destination & Handling: $875
    Total MSRP as Built $51,900
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    I would never pay that much for a Bimmer without comfort access.
  • anh3anh3 Member Posts: 75
    since it's a M/T, I won't be able to use my key to start the engine... so that feature is 1/2 useless in my case. May be I'll add Nav. to it, which there might be a credit?
  • getadeal1getadeal1 Member Posts: 3
    $46,950 before tax or after?
  • getadeal1getadeal1 Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2011
    What? Look at the number if it is OTD including taxes. It would be a crazy deal unheard of. For 6% taxes, the sale price of the car is like 44,000 for a car with MSRP 52,000. $3000 below invoice? Is BMW going to file bankruptcy or something crazy like that?
    Hey anh3, Would you share which dealer you are working with?
  • anh3anh3 Member Posts: 75
    edited October 2011
    that's before taxes, but it'll still a little less than or at invoice. I think that's still a good deal. I live in the Midwest.
  • laxcarslaxcars Member Posts: 20
    Starting to hunt for a 328i in the LA area. Any thoughts on how much I should look to be spending on a car with the specs below:

    Metallic paint
    Dakota leather
    Nav
    Xenon lights
    Heated front seats
    Smartphone integration
    Comfort access (would be nice but not necessary)
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