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2013 and earlier BMW 3-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • dean1977dean1977 Member Posts: 5
    Hey Carman, been reading on these forums for the last 2 months and found your knowledge and advice to be great--was hoping you could help me out as I'm in the market for a new lease:

    1. What should the monthly payment be around for a 2013 335xi---36 month lease/ 15,000 miles per year? The MSRP is $57,000 with the options that I want and it would be no money down---

    2. Also I could close in October or wait a month. Do you think November would be a better time to lease?

    I just wanted a baseline to compare prices and if you could give me the money factor for October and residual for the 335 xi/ 36 months and the 328 xi 36 months---both would be 15,000 miles per year....thanks for your help

    Dean
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    I believe carman already posted the Oct MF and it is .00115... YOu might be able to get a better deal on a 2012 335ix over a 2013.... If you are looking for the best deal...
  • dashfb1dashfb1 Member Posts: 3
    October 2012....I am looking at ordering a 2013 335i convertible. MSRP 56,785. What would a fair price be for a 36 month lease, with 12K miles and -0- cap (I will pay first month and inceptions at closing). I am in NJ, and am coming off a BMW 1 series lease, if that matters and I have excellent credit. Looking at BMW site, with current offer of $529 (10K miles) with $3,500 down on an auto with an MSRP of $55,695, I am anticipating a price of $675. Is that reasonable? Is there a way that you could see the payment being lower?
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    Since you have a BMW lease, it wont be hard to lease another BNW, and if your payment history with BMWFS is perfect, then sliding into a 335ix wont be hard at all. Once again no one can tell you what is a good deal or not, that is up to you. If you are OK with mid 500/m car payments and want mim out of pocket, which is a very doable thing...
  • teach42teach42 Member Posts: 7
    Trying to decide between dealership and Carmax.

    Dealership:
    2009 328xi 32,000 for 27,400 pre taxes and such.

    Carmax:
    2009 328xi 22,000 for 25,998 pre taxes and such.

    Any thoughts about better place to buy?

    Also, warranty question.
    BMW is asking $5000 for 100,000 miles vs. Carmax is asking $1,800 for 100,000 miles. Any ideas about the difference between the warranties and which you would go for?

    Appreciate any advice!
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    What packages do the cars have?

    Is the BMW dealer price including Certified Pre-Ownered warranty ?

    Just to let you know my niece was able to get a 2009 BMW 328i with 34K miles on it for $24K and this was a CPO, her's was fully loaded, Sports package, Premium package, convenience package, xenon headlights, conform access, bllack with oyster interior... I'm not too sure the AWD is worth the extra 3K...
  • insidecarbuyinsidecarbuy Member Posts: 95
    Hey Dashfb1,

    There are great incentives on the 335i convertible especially when your coming out of a BMW. I just helped a friend get a similar one as the one you're looking for. You can get this car for about $1,500 behind invoice minus the $750 loyalty and $300 first month payment waiver. (There is also an addition $1,000 if you took part in the BMW USA Drive Event over the summer for the new 3 series, my friend didn't do this so the price below doesn't include the $1,000 from the drive event). Here is the deal you should be looking for… Good Luck!

    Saturday, October 06, 2012 2:16:04 PM
    CUSTOMER DISCLOSURE
    Customer Name: Inside Car Buying LLC WD Deal ID: 613
    Sale Vehicle: New 2013 BMW 3 SERIES 133K 2dr Conv 335i w/AC , Automatic , Odom: 0
    Payment Details
    Term 36
    Base Payment 533.53
    Total Payment 533.53
    Purchase Option 35,206.70
    MSRP 56,785.00
    Est. Miles Per Year 12,000
    Disposition Fee 350.00
    Excess Mileage Charge 0.20
    Amount Due at Signing
    1st Month Payment 533.53
    Acquisition Fee 725.00
    Fees & Insurance 247.50
    Upfront Taxes 1,475.60
    Total Inception Fees 2,981.63
    Total Cash Required on Delivery 2,981.63
    Tax Information
    Customer State: New York Customer County: WESTCHESTER
    Type Amount Rate Paid
    Cashdown Tax 59.00 7.3750 Upfront
    Upfront Tax 1,416.60 7.3750 Upfront
    Fee Information
    Description Amount Paid
    Reg 150.00 Upfront
    Insp 10.00 Upfront
    Title 12.50 Upfront
    DocFee 75.00 Upfront
  • duluthdlduluthdl Member Posts: 1
    I'm not able to reproduce the wonderful payments that people have reported here. Am I doing something wrong in my calculation? For instance, in sicce1's deal, the selling price is $40,970, tax is 7%, residual is 59%, MF is 0.00115 and $0 down. Monthly payment of $509 (3 years)
    I calculate:
    Residual is 40,970 x 59% = 24172
    Depreciation is (40,970 - 24,172)/36 = 466.61
    Finance is (40970 + 24172) x 0.00115 = 74.91
    Total without tax $541.52
    Total with tax $579.42
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    I'm betting there was a trade or some sort of rebate included in the deal,
  • buyabuya Member Posts: 74
    Erh, I've never leased and I don't know nothing about leasing...cars! But it looks odd if the sale price is x amount and you want to add more to it for financing. Looks like the finance total is 65,142. Is that right? Is the depreciation supposed to be a double whammy?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,570
    It's just a calculation to get the finance charge... The two numbers (cap cost + depreciation) are added together, to get an average amount financed...

    When the money factor constant is calculated, it is halved, to make up for the two amounts being added together...

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  • buyabuya Member Posts: 74
    edited October 2012
    Thanks. So the weighted average of those numbers is inherent in the MF! Hmmm...now that makes me think how do they get the MF? But not going to mess with leasing...

    Please anyone bought (not lease) a 328i recently??? Need to know who paid what and where for what year 328i with prem. Is my nice salesman's quote high at $42.6k otd. Thanks.
  • dr335dr335 Member Posts: 1
    Wifey just gave me green signal for a 335 xi (need awd for snow)! I am super excited, and am looking at this 2011 cpo car. It was a "corporate fleet" vehicle.

    12000 miles
    Cold weather package
    Premium package
    Heated steering
    Navigation
    Bmw apps

    Price: $41000

    I would veruch appreciate any advice regarding the price.

    Many thanks!
  • mrtowersmrtowers Member Posts: 7
    Hello all, I just paid the deposit for the following car. Let me know what you think about the deal I got...

    2013 328i Sedan Alpine White, Black/Red highlight Dakota lthr
    Sport Line, Auto
    Premium package
    Driver Assistance pkg
    Nav and BWM assist with BT
    IBEX paint protection, Nitrogen and Tinted windows

    $1,200 down (includes 1st payment)
    35 payments of $680 - 12k miles/year
    61% residual

    MSRP: $47,045, Invoice Price $43,855
    I'm in Texas so tax is 6.25%

    This is supposed to be MF of .00155 with invoice price + $573, + $700 to take my trade-in which has two payments due totaling $800.

    Thanks,
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    I think that is high, the Money Factor for Oct, is .00135, of course this is with top tier credit. But $608/m is high...
  • sflm3itouringsflm3itouring Member Posts: 3
    MSRP is 42k. Can get it for $36.5k. Is this a good deal?

    Thanks.
  • dean1977dean1977 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks flightnurse--

    I tried looking for a 2012 335xi coupe but the dealers seem to be sold out--
    Stopped by and test drove the xi today and the salesman worked up the following--let me know your thoughts--

    MSRP--- 56445 ( 335xi coupe / premium pak/ nav/ m sports pak with 18 inch wheels/ )

    Selling Price--53493

    Residual : 60%

    MF: .00135

    For 15,000 miles/ 36 months and $3000 down ( all taxes , fees, and 1st months payment ), it will be $645 a month...
    Is this decent/ bad : can I move the needle lower?

    Thanks for reading
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    More info would make it easier to see if it is a good deal, but let me ask you, What do you think?
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    edited October 2012
    First off the current M-sport package has been watered down, it doesn't have sport suspension like the previous generations, From reading what the M-SPort package is now, is has parts from the old Sports package and M style rims and body work. It doesn't even have sport suspension..

    MSRP--- 56445 ( 335xi coupe / premium pak/ nav/ m sports pak with 18 inch wheels/ )

    What other options do you have? I come up with $50,045 as MSRP for what you have posted.
  • dean1977dean1977 Member Posts: 5
    The buildout looks like this:

    2013 BMW 335xi coupe--- $46,800

    Metallic color white--- $550
    M Sport Package-- $2200
    Coral red dakota leather-- $1450
    Premium Package-- $2000
    BT with BMW Assist-- $650
    Navigation-- $2150
    Heated Seats-- $500
    Keyless entry-- $500

    Total is 56,800---they are discounting to 53500--thanks for your help
  • carexpert08carexpert08 Member Posts: 49
    Hey,

    One thing I can tell you is that you shouldn't be charged the $1450 for leather because that is part of the premium package.

    On a side note this car is almost identical to my build in 2011:
    335xi coupe
    alpine white on coral red leather
    m sport
    Bt with BMW assist
    navigation
    heated seats
    10K miles

    Sales Price: 47,995
    My MSRP was $54,600

    I gave $1200 out of pocket and pay $544 a month including NJ tax.

    You discount doesn't seem like a lot at least to me.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    When I build your car on BMW website the price is $56,295..

    BASE MSRP $46,800

    Mineral White Metallic$550

    Coral Red/Black Dakota Leather$0 This is part of the Premium package

    Dark Burl Walnut wood trim$0

    M Sport Package$2,200
    • 18" Light alloy Star-spoke wheels style 193M-with performance run-flat tires$600
    • M Sports leather steering wheel with paddle shifters$100

    Premium Package$2,000

    STEPTRONIC automatic transmission$0 Not too sure if you want a stick or not

    Comfort Access keyless entry$500

    Heated front seats$500

    Navigation system$2,150

    Now if you getting a 2013, the discount they are giving you sound good, but there are other places where the dealer can deduct money from. Is the dealer have any add-on to the car? Play hard ball, remember, YOU do not need this car, THEY must sell cars..
  • fourthbmwfourthbmw Member Posts: 9
    I ordered a 2013 330I sedan it left the plant and is ready for shipping. I ordered the Luxury Line and the leather was part of the $1,400.00 luxury option. The ZPP premium package for $2,200.00 only consisted of: 322 Comfort access, 488 lumbar suport and 655 one year of Satellite radio subscription. I am loking forward for it to leave on the boat and arrive at the port of Baltimore.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    I ordered a 2013 330I sedan it left the plant and is ready for shipping.

    This will be a very rare BMW...

    With BMW now offering five lines of 3 series, each has it's own identity. So for the extra $1400 over the base 3 series, the Luxury model comes standard with

    Unique design touches include:
    Chrome kidney grille bars
    18'' alloy wheels, multi-spoke design
    Black signature key fob with chrome accent
    Exclusive leathers and interior trims
    Chrome exhaust pipe trim

    so the Premium package will only include the Comfort access, lumbar support and sat radio, however if you look at the premium package on line you will see that whatever color leather interior you chose will be highlights in the premium package. If you didn't choose the Luxury line, then leather wouldn't be standard, but available in the premium package...
  • dean1977dean1977 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks car expert--you're right; the premium package does include the red dakota leather: I left out the premium sound package for $950 ---

    The deal that you got sounds really good. I am asking for 15,000 miles and my msrp is a little bit higher but at least I can use your build as a guage: maybe I can get the MSRP lower or have them pay for the taxes --

    Thanks again
  • dean1977dean1977 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks again flightnurse: the premium package did include the red dakota leather etc....I was forgetting about the premium sound package for $950.

    The car is a 2013 xi coupe. What do you mean by does the dealer have any add-on to the car? And should I ask for a bigger discount on the car?

    Thanks
  • fourthbmwfourthbmw Member Posts: 9
    This will be a very rare BMW...
    Luxury line also includes Sports leather steering wheel.

    I also ordered:
    Silver with Black Dakota Leather.
    Cold Weather Package.
    Driver Assist Package.
    Premium Package.
    Navigation Package.
    600 Watt Harmon Kardon Surround Sound System.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    Dealer add on's, like... Tinted windows, Pin stripping, nitrogen filled tires, paint protection, this are add-ons, cost the dealer next to nothing however big mark up and profit for he dealer.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    You didn't get the "rare" BMW.... You posted you ordered a 330i... BMW stopped building them in MY 2006...
  • magician11magician11 Member Posts: 2
    Hi I am in the process of negotiating a price on a 2013 328 x-drive. MSRP is $44,500 for the car as configured. What % off MSRP should I expect from the dealer. In other words, if the dealer is offering me 3% off - is that good or am I leaving money on the table. Any other tips on how I should negotiate. I would like to lowest price since my configuration is very specific and it is unlikely anyone will have this on the lot - they will need to order it.

    Thank you for your advice.
  • fourthbmwfourthbmw Member Posts: 9
    "Rare No More"

    My mistake, my current BMW is a 2006 330i. I ordered the 2013 335i. Thanks for pointing it out.
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    My mistake, my current BMW is a 2006 330i. I ordered the 2013 335i. Thanks for pointing it out.

    I think the 2006 330i is a very underrated car, good luck with the new one.
  • trulyindiantrulyindian Member Posts: 3
    I moved to the US sometime back and due to certain issues my credit score dropped (issue was small, but since my history is very short, it affected my score by more than what its worth).

    Anyways, BMW FS put me at progressive credit range(I believe that is 601-639 ouch!) and has approved me for a 30 month lease on a new 328i. (30 month as I am a foreign national and my visa expires in 34 months. i think my approval has got to do with my high income).
    The quote I have right now is

    2012 328i
    MSRP 41 945 (premium, cold, bluetooth with bmw assist). 30 months/ 10k miles a year

    7k downpayment (includes 1st month's pay), (385 per month + tax)

    I believe this is a lot . Given my credit situation I want to know what's a good deal for me and what should be my number to negotiate.
    I wanted to know the right lease rate or money factor for this credit tier. It is important for me to know this so that I can have the right negotiation with the dealer.

    It will be great if you guys can help me out
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    7k downpayment (includes 1st month's pay), (385 per month + tax)

    I believe this is a lot


    So what is a lot, the payments or 7K down payment?

    Do not forget your credit score, affects your Money factor which I'm sure if high. The rule behind leasing is, use other people money, save some money and do not use all of the 7K. But I'm tihnking your low credit score is going to affect anything you buy...
  • golfer21golfer21 Member Posts: 1
    Hello all, question to the experts. What percentage off MSRP is fair or percentage off invoice should I be looking at to buy outright (no lease or financing) a new 3 series? Looking at mineral grey color plus premium and cold weather packages MSRP is $43,995.00 (invoice $40,680) , including $850 destination. I am not looking to absolutely steal the car but don't want to get robbed either. A couple of hundred here and there is ok. The dealer I am dealing with is in Massachusetts. Thanks! Going to pull the plug on this very soon.
  • ashjawashjaw Member Posts: 8
    I am looking to purchase a 2009 328i CPO w/ 28k miles non-metallic color and leatherette. no additional options. dealer has listed the price at $22,200. This will be my 1st BMW purchase.
    Is that a fair price? do you think I have room for negotiation? if yes, what would be a fair price to pay?
    I am in no hurry to purchase so I can wait until end of year. usually by year end, does the price of CPO vehicles drop similar to new cars?
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    Are you sure there are no options on this car? 4 Dr or 2Dr, Manuel or Auto?

    Kelly Blue Book says this car (assuming it is a 4 door) is worth 26K. BMW dealers are pretty good about pricing their CPO cars, so not too sure why there is a 4K difference..
  • latin0devildoglatin0devildog Member Posts: 4
    does anyone know what the money factor is for November on a 2013 328i xDrive 39 month lease with 12k miles?
  • tedkramer99tedkramer99 Member Posts: 1
    edited November 2012
    328i sedan
    melbourne red metallic
    premium package
    15k per yr.

    total $41,545.00

    $1,500 due and $512.20 per month.
  • monacodkmonacodk Member Posts: 11
    Went into my dealer looking at 2013 328i sedan. Dealer has a brand new 2012 328i; premium package, technology, metallic paint, backup sensor that he is pushing.

    How much discount should I expect on a 2012 being that it is a) the previous model year and b) the previous body style compared to the 2013s?

    Thanks
  • chiro444chiro444 Member Posts: 17
    Carman,

    I had the same thing happen and my question is this: is there a difference between the residual or money factor between the '12 and '13? And any additional discounts?

    BTW, for the above question, the '12 and '13 sedans are pretty much the same.
  • fourthbmwfourthbmw Member Posts: 9
    Sounds like its a 2013 335i.? I just purchased a 2013 335i 4 door last Thursday. I checked the rebates and found if you BMW finance a minimum of $7,500 you receive a $750 credit. Found out you only need to make 3 payments than can pay off without a penalty or loosing the 750.00 credit. I also received 1,000.00 credit due to the new loyalty program that came out last Monday for previous BMW owners. I also received a 1.000 credit for becoming a member of USAA auto insurance. Dont need to buy the insurance just sign up to be a free member. I will probably check there rates and if a substantial savings will switch to USAA as my show of loyalty. Bottom line i received $2,750 in credits off my best negoated price. the discounts do not come off the dealers profit.
  • johnl617johnl617 Member Posts: 24
    Is there any current lease deals for 328i x-drive with premium and navigation.... or just premium. I was looking at 24 month/36 month sign and drive with no down payment. 12,000 miles a year. Any help is appreciated.
  • scorzscorz Member Posts: 7
    Purchased outright with:

    - $1000 USAA discount
    - $1000 finance incentive (3.29%, can pay off fully after 3 month, will accrue ~$150 in interest in 3 months)

    Total Price: $42,800 (9.1% off MSRP)

    - Technology Package
    - Cold Weather Package
    - Premium Package
    - Saphire Metallic Black

    Extras:
    - All weather mats included
    - Valet service included (will deliver loaner for scheduled service within 40 miles of dealer)
    - 2 BMW coffee mugs (cause they are cool looking aluminum travel mugs)
    - 1 BMW knit hat (cause, why not?)

    DC area

    I feel like I received a great deal, but I always feel that I left something on the table... Did I do well?
  • jatyjaty Member Posts: 6
    Hello, I am new to car leasing. I found the following from a local dealer's website (So Cal). I wonder if it is a good deal?

    2013 328i Sedan

    •$298* per month (plus tax)
    •36 month lease
    •10,000 miles per year
    •$500 down payment

    Comparing to BMWUSA, monthly payment is $339 and $2750 down (including holiday credit and loyalty cash). 10k miles/year is sufficient for me. I emailed dealer for MSRP/selling price/money factor/residual value. But dealer did not reply. Just based on the low down payment and monthly payment, is it a good deal assuming it is a base model?
  • flightnurseflightnurse Member Posts: 2,217
    Yes, base model , which dealer is this from? Locally the dealers have 2013 328i $279/m + tax 39 months, 10K/yr however, it is 3K down + tax and Lic... So not too sure if your is really $500 down..
  • jatyjaty Member Posts: 6
    Not sure if it is allowed to post dealer's link. I can PM you if you want.

    In fact I just found another lease deal from the same dealer:

    2013 X3 xDrive28i for $298* a month (plus tax)
    •$298* a month plus tax (holiday credit and loyalty cash included)
    •36 Month Lease
    •10,000 miles per year
    •$3,000 down

    Not sure what the gimmicks are behind the deal. I would think even with a base X3 model and $3k down, $298/month plus tax is a good deal? Based on previous experience with this dealer, they often quoted wrong price just to get us call them. I am not sure if this time they will honor the deal, or what shall I ask for to find out what exactly the true picture is?

    As a general question, I wonder if there is any price difference in the finally selling price between lease and purchase? Let's say I see folks on this forum purchased the same model in similar location for X dollors before TTL, shall I target the same selling price for my lease negotiation?
  • socalgirl1socalgirl1 Member Posts: 23
    I am in So Cal, did you close this deal? WHat options where included? What dealer? I have a friend looking for a 328i sedan. I think this is a base model.
  • socalgirl1socalgirl1 Member Posts: 23
    tell them to email you the price you have discussed. If they refuse to they are playing with you. If they do then you got the deal!
  • mmenardmmenard Member Posts: 68
    Hey carman, do you have the money factor and residual value for this car for a 36 mth lease, 10k miles? Does BMW have any special offers for this vehicle. They are advertising up to $3500 holiday incentive?
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