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eldrad
am i able to change what mode my headlights are in?
how?
About the Door Locks: I don't carry the keyless remote because I hate stuff in my pockets, so I go with a "lite" key chain (car & house *keys* only, no remote). I dont wear these tight pants so my key chain bulges out!
Another annoyance found: the rear view mirror & dash board vibrates on even the smoothest of roads.
This car clearly wasnt made for me.
Dear Subaru:
Please make an affordable 6 cyl Outback Wagon soon. I beg you...Please...Really...kissing your virtual feet...will even make campaign donation to crafty politician of your choice...blubbering...whimpering...
thanks
My Malibu has this as does the Potiac G6. I think the new Impala's have it too.
We bought this as a family cruiser and as a universal work horse.
I also have two boys 5 & 10yrs, that ride in it all the time with my wife. She loves the Equinox.
We had no problems. We get advertised fuel economy, Stereo sounds good, no problems with noise, smells,leaks, interior fit & finish, interior noise, or drivability problems.
In fact, just the opposite.
Fit and finish is excellent we find the ride to be excellent.
Emergency maneuvers are excellent since my wife and I were able to avoid two accidents.
1st: two kids ran in front of my wife on a hi-way, the anti-locks kicked in, missed the kids with out incident. She keeps telling me, "This Equinox has great brakes".
2nd: My family and I were on vacation, driving 65mph on I_70 in MO, a car merges and cuts in front of me,
I swerved hard to adjacent lane without incident. The Equinox road manners are great!
Knowing that the Equinox is 5 star rated is also a bonus.
long story, but i've managed to bend my rear driveshaft hanger bearing bracket so that it makes contact w/ the drive shaft when i'm driving 'fast' -- >60km/hr. my dealer corrected the problem for me by straightening the bracket. it's a good thing for me money-wise since a replacement would be far more expensive, but i would appreciate if someone could tell me this solution is ok, and is not considered risky or anything like that.
i haven't had a chance to drive on the expressway, but i don't hear anymore clanking sound driving upto 80 km/hr.
thanks!
Thanks!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2006-02-16-drive-torrent-usat- _x.htm
A Torrent of criticism for Pontiac's new SUV
This won't be one that wows 'em with General Motors' new dedication to premium presentation.
One of Torrent’s strong points is its attractive styling. It looks more expensive than it is.
Torrent, Pontiac's version of the crude Chevrolet Equinox crossover SUV, seems cheap and clumsy — like the Equinox (Test Drive, June 18, 2004). The front-wheel-drive test vehicle's plastic parts were yester-tech; brittle and flimsy. The automatic transmission gearshift lever slopped, clackety-clack, through its positions. The back of the front seat feels as if it's throwing you forward off the seat. The markings on the wiggly, imprecise climate control knobs are almost impossible to see in daylight (though easier when illuminated at night).
Using the turn-signal lever — as a designer at a rival company once said about his own flop — feels like breaking a chicken's leg. Audio control buttons on the steering wheel spokes are so small they are hard to push with a bare hand, never mind a gloved one. The gear-position indicator is down by the shift lever instead of up higher in the main instrument panel. That means you have to drop your eyes from the road ahead to tell if, for example, you got the lever all the way into drive, or spaced out and left it in that lower gear you used coming down a steep hill. (Eventually the engine drone would give you a clue, but why not make it easy?)
Plastic trim that surrounds the ignition slot and covers part of the steering column was feeble and loose in the test vehicle.
The V-6 engine vibrates. You notice how much when you shift into neutral waiting at a stoplight and the Magic Fingers shaking ceases.
Handling — defined here as the ability to go around a corner quickly, gracefully — is OK at lower speeds, but becomes suddenly cumbersome and unusually nose-heavy (even for a front-drive vehicle) with the addition of 1 or 2 mph, and does so without telegraphing to the driver where the dividing line is. Body lean is minimal when Torrent is in its well-behaved handling mode, but the lean grows rapidly as cornering speed increases even a little. Not what you expect from a sporty brand, as Pontiac is trying to become anew.
Faint groans issued randomly from the rear of the test vehicle, which had about 4,100 miles on the odometer. In its defense, that's a lot of miles for a vehicle that goes from one beat-it-hard journalist to another. But not enough to justify such noises. And they were the maddening kind — unpredictable, so you wouldn't be able to describe the circumstances to your friendly service guy, nor expect the Torrent to misbehave when he drives it to check.
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration files show no recalls, no investigations and almost no complaints. But they do show a significant number of technical service bulletins, or TSBs. Manufacturers send a TSB to alert dealers to a widespread problem and to have them all fix it uniformly.
The first one that pops up on the TSB list at www.nhtsa.dot.gov is a doozy, suggesting the Torrent has problems with the engine losing power, the transmission failing to downshift, the heater motor going on strike and the speakers buzzing. Others deal with safety belts that are difficult to use. Car companies have been installing belts only about 50 years, so you can see why they might not have it figured out yet.
The front-wheel-drive test vehicle — no four-wheel-drive model was available for testing — was pitiful in the slick, uphill driveway test. Regardless of whether the traction control was turned on or off, Torrent barely could claw upward through snow and slush. And even though it was able, finally, to climb the driveway, Torrent got left at home that day for fear it wouldn't handle safely in the slippery mix of snow and slush. Just another example of what a fraud it is to pitch traction control as a substitute for all-wheel drive, or as a great thing for slippery winters. All makers, not just GM, are guilty of that.
All Torrent's problems are due to its close kinship with the Equinox. GM put a Pontiac body and trim on the Chevy and called it a new model. Instead it's just a different wrapper around the same flaws. Worse, it's a throwback to the bad old days of so-called badge engineering — essentially the same vehicle sold by different GM brands. The automaker has pledged not to do that from now on.
But Equinox and Torrent predate GM's recent get-serious effort, which explains the Torrent but doesn't excuse it.
If you ignore the flubs and focus on Torrent's good points, you find:
• It is handsome, a vehicle that'll catch your eye and make you think you're looking at a much classier, more-expensive SUV (which makes the shortcomings seem that much worse). Cargo space is generous and cleverly supplied with bins and nooks so that small stuff needn't pitch and roll in the way-back vastness.
• The back seat slides fore-aft to tailor the vehicle for cargo or passengers. Even with the back seat fully forward, legroom in back is remarkably good. Long-limbed adults fit. Alas, the stiff and poorly contoured back seat isn't a great place to be, regardless of roominess.
• The back of the front passenger's seat folds flat for more cargo space.
• The transmission is a decent-shifting five-speed automatic instead of the smooth but dated four-speed gearboxes on many newer-design GM models.
• Kid-seat attachment hooks, called Latch connections, are easy to reach instead of being buried so deep in the upholstery you swear they aren't there. GM thoughtfully provides three sets instead of the normal two. That means you can sit your precious in the middle of the back seat, which is the safest spot. It also means you can quickly attach three kid chairs across the Torrent's back seat, if the kid seats aren't too wide.
• There's a good deal of side-flop space in the front seats for those who like to draw up the outboard leg and lean it toward the door when cruise-controlling down the big road. The reason the room is there — and it's a major comfort plus — is because the power-window switches are in the center console instead of on an intrusive pod on the door panel. You decide if the unfamiliar location of the switches is a fair price for the side-to-side leg space.
The best news is that Torrent is blatantly atypical of vehicles GM has launched recently. It's hard to take Torrent seriously as anything but a kind of wink-wink, nod-nod place holder in the lineup.
2006 Pontiac Torrent
• What is it? Small, unibody crossover SUV, similar to the Chevrolet Equinox. Available with front-wheel drive or four-wheel drive. Manufactured at Ingersoll, Ontario.
• How soon? On sale since August.
• How much? Front-drive model starts at $21,990 including $590 destination charge. Four-wheel-drive starts
First of all, I didn't know this was a Torrent message site. :confuse:
This does not sound like a unbiased and fair test drive review!
Sounds to me like a "Big GM" SUV ran over Jim's old lady's cat, and he's venting his frustration the only way he knows how.
Some are just better at it, than others.
Wow! They all look so different.
I could not tell they were all the same.
Like I said, some do it better than others.
No wonder GM sells the most vehicles in the U.S.!
No one thought GM would make it past the 70's.
Profits come and go.
Does anyone know that Mitsubishi was dropped like a hot potato by Daimler-Crysler? and is practically bankrupted?
Does anyone know that Toyota has about a million engines that can sludge up under warranty and when it happens, blames the customer.
Does anyone know that Nissan was also struggling a few years ago while GM was holding up their end of the stock market?
The answer is no, because the "Big Media" made it so.
Strange the sludge thing has kinda died down here on Edmunds. It's it usually the clearinghouse of vehicle complaints. I think the the Toyota sludge thing has run it's course. Those engines have been phased out for over 5 years now.
And Nissan was struggling enough to be bought out by Renault. That's why thier cars look so funky these days. It's that French bloodline.
Only the Mitsubishi fact is actually current. And anyone following the news would know. There's no conspiracy.
GM makes it soo easy to trash them. The largest automaker in the world still depends on pushrod engines and leaf springs in its "World Class Sports Car"? Refuses to offer OHC engines across the board. Refuses to produce cars that prove to be durable mechanically as well as cosmetically comparable to the Japanese competition.
http://yotarepair.com/Sludge_Zone.html
I had no problems with getting 200,000 miles on my GM cars with a push-rod engine. Having a "Toyota Sludge" engine is a different story.
I also save $400+ every 60,000 miles, since I don't have replace a timingbelt/waterpump, like you have to, on those so-called reliable "Hi tech" engines.
Gee, curious, do you own a Toyota, work for edmunds or the media?
Yes I do own a Toyota(Lexus) and two Hondas. I regularly post on Edmunds and I read the media. And each of those experiences have taught me to avoid GM products. Along with the brand new 2000 Silverado that I owned for 8 months. At least 2 of which were spent in the shop. I had several 100,000+ mile Toyotas and Hondas that were much more reliable.
Timing belts are 100,000 mile intervals now and Honda new has timing chains on its 4 cylinder engines. Even the "hi-tech" engines are still improving.
Additionally, the sludge issue seemed to be a problem that reared its head under short trip conditions. It should and is very easy to get over 200,000 miles out of one of those engines. And the headliner will still be attached. All the electricals will still be working. The paint won't be faded. And all the body panels will look straight since they aren't plastic or cladding. Durability covers many aspects past the engine.
But hey, you get what you pay for. And with domestic car makers's depreciation, you really can't expect too much from 100,000 mile Chevys. Sure it may run, but would you really want to be seen in an old Lumina?
I don't go around to other sites to "trash" as a sport.
I currently own an Equinox and that is why I'm here.
So, lets agree to disagree.
I also like my American attitude!
I don't know too many people with 200,000 miles on their foreign cars.
The ones I hear from tell me how expensive it is to repair these cars.
I also see cladding on lot's of foreign cars and SUVs including the Lexus.
My family has put 200,000 miles on Pontiacs, Buicks, and Cadillacs.
I sold my 89' Cadillac with 180,000 miles in excellent condition, no fade and
clean.
He is a co-worker, has 200,000 mi on it and gets 27mpg on the hi-way and loves it.
I plan on taking the $20,000 I saved buying a Chevy, to buy a Mustang!
"See ya at the light!"
Gee, have a beer and while your at it have some apple pie
and Thanks for the ride!
I'm not trashing GM. I'm just agreeing with those in the automotive media (Edmunds included) that say they could and should build better products or they wouldn't lose so much market share. With Hyundai and the Chinese coming to this market, it's only going to get even more important that domestics get their act together. That's not bashing, that's a warning.
I'm glad you have gotten so much longevity out your domestic vehicles. If that were the rule, I'm sure domestic brands wouldn't be in so much trouble.
There's more GM (and Honda) discussions over in News & Views. Let's get back to Equinox specifics in here please.
Steve, Host
And my next vehicule will probibly be another GM product. I don't want to put anyone on unemployment by bying a japanese product.
Greg
Greg
When he bought his nox he bought a vehicle with parts from all over the world and most of which are american. Its true the engine and tranny are foreign but just about everything else is domestic.
The money that he spent is circling its was through OUR economy. not Japans. Thats the difference and thats why he did the right thing.
"General Motors' Chevrolet Equinox SUV is made in a Japanese-GM joint venture plant in Canada with a Chinese engine."
Whereas...
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/020105-3.htm
"Currently about 85 percent of all Accords sold in the U.S. were produced in North America and those models have a domestic content level of 97 percent."
GM is the US #1 buyer of healthcare, who is better for the US? Who sells more cars in the US? Who buys more components in the US? Its GM, all GM.
They are going out of the US for some parts B/c they have serious trouble. The difference is they can go back. Japan does what they do to trick us into thinking they are American. This is clearly for Gullable people.
This is a Japan based company and every sale for them is a smack in our face.
Buying American Cars: What Does It Mean?
There are others in News & Views; let's get back to the 'Nox in here please.
Steve, Host
3 times to the dealer and we finally had an agreement $$
to change those 235/60r/17 Brigestone Dueller H/T,s ( JUNK )to Hankook tires, another mistake, dam, now what?
I hear Michelein is now out with this size tire, only wish
they had it earlier? I would of taken those.
roger
and I've been through alot tires; regular, sport and performance.
I also have 12,000 mile on them.
Even the best tires will degrade in a short time with improper tire pressure, not rotating tires, and poor alignment.
The tires are not the problem.