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GMC 99 pickup trans noise
I have a new 99 GMC ful size 4x4 ext cab. When I
cruise at about 40mph I can hear and feel a
vibration, it reminds me of a road noise like when
you run over those groves in the road to warn you
you are getting close to a stop sign. Kind a like
snow tire noise, when you speed up a few mph it
goes away. Someone told me it might be the locking
toqure converter? What could it be?
cruise at about 40mph I can hear and feel a
vibration, it reminds me of a road noise like when
you run over those groves in the road to warn you
you are getting close to a stop sign. Kind a like
snow tire noise, when you speed up a few mph it
goes away. Someone told me it might be the locking
toqure converter? What could it be?
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P.S Most all vehicles with overdrive experience some shudder at the torque convertter lock up speed. If you accelerate hard thru 40mph you probably wont feel it.
Rich
You might be right, but I never noticed a shudder in my Z28 that also has the same 4L60E electronically controlled automatic transmission used in the 1/2 ton Silverado. There could still be differences between the two. Mine's in the shop right now, and they are testing it, but I don't know what, if anything they have found yet. But I wish I had tried shifting into drive (3rd) to see if it would go away...I suspect it might.
Thanks for the info, but I'm pretty sure what I heard was not coming from the transfer case, nor does it seem harmonic related. What I hear is perhaps different than what you were hearing. The noise was there from the first mile, never got worse, stayed exactly the same at 3,400 miles. I hear it at almost exactly 40 mph, but just barely, and it's gone by 41 mph, like a switch. I'm inclined to go along with the lock-up torque converter theory, since there aren't that many parts rotating inside the transfer case when 4x4 is not engaged. The service advisor had the technician spend quite a bit of time with it, and he feels it is normal, nothing to worry about. From my experience, G.M. will fix drivetrain problems even beyond the warranty if there is a service bulletin about a defect that comes out. I'm on record now for reporting it, should there be a problem in the future. I could demand more for the sport of it, but I'm persuaded this is a normal condition since other owners are saying about the same thing, nor am I bothered enough to want them tearing into everything. I would rather not cry wolf, in the hope that when I really do need help, they will be there for me.
cause! I have heard similar noises from other OD trans vehicles. It sounds like when the vehicle goes into the very low rpm's at higher speeds(30 to 40) is when it happens. I almost thought it sounded like some resonating in the exhaust system??
with OD on, felt a little vibration. Passed that
speed no more noise, or at least not so audible.
I will try to use the tow/haul mode around that
speed to see if the vibration is still there.
Anyone who has a definite answer to this, please
pass on. By the way, I've been having this vibr
since the first day. Besides that, everything is
great.
Tung
Can someone please explain what over-drive really
is, and relate that to some analogy on the manual trans, if possible, so I can understand? This is my very first auto trans vehicle.
Currently, I plan to either drive with tow/haul on or 3rd gear if I have to drive at around 40 for
quite some time. Which is better, tow/haul or 3rd?
Please advice me. Thanks.
Overdrive just means that when you are in top gear, the transmission output shaft (drive shaft) is turning 30% faster than the engine crankshaft. This gets reduced by the ratio of the rear end gears, so that the drive axles are always spinning slower than the engine crankshaft. The meaning of overdrive is essentially non-important. Final drive ratio, which includes the rear end gears is the actual amount by which torque going to the rear wheels gets multiplied. I think 3rd is better than tow/haul if you will be doing most of your driving around 40 mph. But it will hurt economy. Is that vibration really than annoying? I barely notice it, although I know it is there. I am much more bothered by the occasional light engine ping I get driving at 50-55 mph.
Thanks for the info. Even though you said OD only
affects the top gear, I somehow saw that RMP was
higher for all (maybe except 1st gear) gears. Does
it means that OD gives us "extra gears" (like 1.5, 2.5, ...)? (I had a hard time express myself
here).
I did not concern about the annoyance caused by
the vibration but more about the health of the
trans itself. For now, I probably shift to 3rd when driving constantly around 40mph.
Thanks,
Tung
No extra gears with overdrive. Overdrive IS the 4th gear. The only reason it's called overdrive is because it's the only gear that turns faster than the crankshaft. The ratios in the transmission are something like this, give or take...
1st - 3.50:1
2nd - 2.70:1
3rd - 1.00:1
4th - 0.70:1
Numerically speaking all are greater than "1.0" except 4th which is the overdrive gear. It would be fair to call all the others "under-drive" gears! By the way, each ratio expresses engine revs to driveshaft revs. So in first gear, to get one turn on the driveshaft takes 3-1/2 turns of the engine. The term "overdrive" was frequently used to describe a tall highway gear in the days of 3 speed trannies, in the same understanding that a "granny" gear was used to describe a low-low 1st gear for creeping, towing etc. But no extra gears. Overdrive is pretty meaningless since all trucks today have a 4th gear which turns faster than the engine.
Here is a link you can go to a G.M. site where you enter your VIN#, and they show all the calibration updates for the powertrain control module, PCM. When they have one for the transmission shift schedule, you can find out here.
http://calid.gm.com/vci/
I printed out a copy over the weekend. Now, we'll just have to wait for the GM recal.