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Nissan Titan



  • triattriat Posts: 121
    I am still waiting for both of your apologies for calling me a liar.

    Both of you also please re-read my post. I sat in a prototype(there were 3 of them)at the our Austin autoshow weeks ago. I said nothing about the LE CC I saw at the dealer Sun, & later test drove Tues. That LE CC was their 1st Titan. They designated it as their demo. They will offer for sale after it reaches 3-5K miles.

    bowke28: The 4 Titan dashes I have seen are textured(same as Armada). However they are shiny, & the glare reflects in windshield. The production Titan exactly same as pre-production. Due to rake of windshields, Nissan should have made dash out of non relective flat black/grey material like Volkswagon/BMW & others.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    I am looking forward to everyone's reviews of their test drives soon! I wonder if others will have positive similiar impressions as I have.

    My only nitpick is the windshield glare(correctable with a dash mat?) & airbag availability information.

    I can't believe I'm excited about a truck! But it drives,rides,looks so nice & well built. I am looking forward to owning one soon.
  • Why are y'all getting so excited about a new truck? Does it fly? Can it tread water like a Simca? (Oops, I'm showing my age.) Is it faster than a speeding bullet? More powerful than a locomotive?

    Seriously, consumers are playing right into Nissan's marketing ploy: to get truckers SALIVATING to get this truck. There probably is not a better truck for the money, but GEEZ! It's only a truck. Y'all throw around figures of $30-35K like money grows on trees. In 1997, I told myself that I would not pay $20K for a new pickup. Six years later, I told myself I would not pay $30K for a new pickup. Have y'all noticed the trend? The trucks' base prices increase only a few hundred bucks, but the options to complete a facade that say "Hey world, look at my individuality" are escalating faster than the inflation rate during the early Reagan (God bless his soul) years (carryover from Jimma Carta years).

    I believe that the Nissan will be a great success. I might even break down and get one. But one thing is for sure: if the public swoops these trucks up like you purport on this thread, the price will be $40,000 within three years.

    Y'all are scaring me...
  • Before someone says, "Whatsa matta, you can't afford to buy a new truck?" O contrare, si' senor. It's just that I am from the tail end of the Baby Boomers who look at major purchases as an investment: not a GenX or GenY who is used to blowing large sums of money impulsively. Everybody should be happy with their purchase. Who am I to criticize? Only throwing my $.02 in the pot.
  • jake696jake696 Posts: 111
    Point well made renonevada, I must agree.

    Here's a plan: if one want's to spend that much (most likely finance...) on a truck, or anything...wait 6 months, think long and hard about it and then see if you still want to do it. (This works well for marriage too...)

    If you still gotta-gotta have it, then go get that new truck! Bowke will be happy with his little commisson and you get that long awaited new truck-probably for less by now as the frenzy has subsided and the dealer will sell it to you below MSRP.
  • rivestrivest Posts: 10
    Is it true? No climate control, even on the LE?
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    you said: "I am from the tail end of the Baby Boomers who look at major purchases as an investment"

    im saddened that, with all the information available to you, you still consider a vehicle purchase an investment.

    well, O contrare, si' senor, does a vehicle post a positive return over ANY amount of time? you would do better for yourself in your vehicle decisions to consider it a transportation different than people in NYC budget for the subway every month.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    keep holding your breath for that apology.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    >>Seriously, consumers are playing right into Nissan's marketing ploy: to get truckers SALIVATING to get this truck.<<

    Actually, I don't think any of this dialogue is or has been sanctioned by Nissan. It has been spawned by humans because of a tribalistic tendency of some Americans. This reminds me of Chevy owners -- a lot, and that wasn't meant to be a compliment.

    If Nissan has a good and solid product they won't need hype or phony bravado. They won't need point people to cut down the competition, where it is just as likely to turn people off (a concept that's proven to have negative consequences with a more intelligent customer base). This is the talk of salepeople. Nissan typically doesn't raise their sales representatives to be egotistically proclaiming, and in the past that's been a good part of their success.

    Reno, I enjoyed hearing your sane comments. I think it's time to let the children play all by themselves, don't you?

    Best regards,
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    im a nissan salesperson, and im hoping the titan does well. however, noone on this board is likely to be my client, so why would i waste my time talking about it?

    im a car nut, and like to talk about new models. i happen to have an insight into the titan that noone else does for now, and i enjoy being able to answer questions about it and provide opinions. i have no other motivation for being on here.

    if you think otherwise, then you also probably believe that sony wants to control the world through their playstation. ;-)
  • akjbmwakjbmw Posts: 231
    Practice makes permanent. In a posting environment, you have time to think through what to say to prompt a response or guide the conversation.
    Practice practice practice.
  • jake696jake696 Posts: 111
    This board has turned out to be more fun than actually shopping for a new truck!!!

    I'm not necessarily defending Reno, but I think there's a point there regarding the "investment".

    Of course, (almost) no vehicle is an investment like stocks or real estate; however, there are different types of buyers and approaches.

    I see folks who trade every few years and always seem to have finance (or lease) payments to make on a vehicle. (Bowke loves these folks!)

    Some of us treat it more like a long-term investment, especially the research that goes into the purchase. I keep vehicles 8-10 yrs. or more and don't really care about things like resale. I do care about long-term reliability and long term costs and I have taken up to 2 years to make my purchase decision.

    There are differences in thinking if you do this as opposed to buying a new vehicle every 2-3 yrs. allowing the dealer to have their hand in your pocket the whole time and responding to the latest trends.
  • keaneckeanec Posts: 349
    Sometimes people buy new every two to three years because they LIKE new vehicles and for other reasons. For example, why do people buy a $50000 vehicle when you can get a $20000 vehicle of the same size? Some because of vanity, some because they love vehicles and quality.

    I have bought many vehicles lately for two reasons; 1. changing life circumstances, and 2. I love vehicles. Some people spend their money on bigger homes, some on eating out, others on plays and booze. I spend some of my cash on new vehicles.

    The first reason is the biggest one though. Had a sports car; got married and had kids; bye bye sports car - hello CR-V. Bought a travel trailer, bye bye CR-V, hello small truck, and Sentra. Got a dog (big), bye bye Sentra & hello new CR-V. Kids start playing hockey, by by frontier hello Titan!
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    is that people who consider an automobile an investment are the ones who lose the most money on them. whether you pay cash, finance, or lease, i get paid the same...the only difference is that if you lease, i get 1 more shot at a repeat sale.
  • rivestrivest Posts: 10

    Do you know if climate control is an option? Website makes a generic mention when talking of NAV system.

    Does NAV system only cover mapping for major cities, or all cities in US?

    Thanks for any info.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    i cant figure it out...the climate control, i mean.

    the nav system covers the entire lower 48.
  • jake696jake696 Posts: 111
    You mean you don't make more money on the guy that trades every 2-3 years...that is of course, if he likes you well enough to come back to you? I'm starting to wonder if you live in same universe?

    "...people who consider an automobile an investment are the ones who lose the most money on them." Not sure what this means Bowke. If you take care of your "investment", keep it in good shape, it lasts longer and still has residual value after 11 yrs. - your statement is bunk.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    an investment, by definition, does not go down in value. therefore, a car IS NOT an investment. something that goes down in value is 'lost revenue'. by taking care of a car, and making it last longer, does it not take more money? the longer a car lasts, the less your yearly/monthly/weekly/daily loss is, but its the same amount of a loss no matter how you add it up.

    my point is that the people who lose the LEAST on a car purchase are the ones who never buy it in the 1st place.
  • Getting a 30000 vehicle plus add the 2000 you pay in taxes and the interest on your payments, that 1000 dollar residual at the end of 11 yrs doesn't look like much. You then get to start the whole process over again and save an enormous amount of 1000 dollars. That is not an investment that is, what bowke said, transportation cost. The only diffence is you don't take a city bus in for repairs. Thats why a lease is the best way to go
  • crosley4crosley4 Posts: 295
    I own a 1948 Simca. It does not look like it will float .

    Excited about a new truck? Appearantly you are not up on the situation here.

    Nissan taking on the big boys at their game. I t should be interesting on how things change in say 5 years.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    You call me a liar(I'm not the only poster on this thread you've called a liar this month). Then you don't even have the guts to admit your mistake and apologize?

    In your opinion this must be acceptable and normal behavior and practices for a Nissan salesperson??
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    i apologized for saying you lied about the brochure. but unless you either work directly for nissan or you are a salesperson, i do not, and WILL NOT beleive that you have driven a titan.

    and please dont tell me what my opinion is.
  • triattriat Posts: 121
    I have no professional affiliation with Nissan. Nevertheless I along with other customers have driven the Titan.

    Just keep your head in the sand, and keep disbelieving customers, and maybe you will sell more vehicles??

    Bowke, you spend much effort convincing others to believe the information you shovel out. However, an average Joe sharing his experience behind the wheel of the Titan you attempt to discredit.

    If you can't handle the truth, you have no business here, nor in your present career dealing with people. You are doing yourself and your employer a disservice.
  • jake696jake696 Posts: 111
    Now I remember why I dislike dealing with car salesman!

    Almost ALL my investments went down (by the way) a few years back. Guess mutual funds and stocks don't fit YOUR definition of investment...
    Glad they are coming back! I suppose yours kept on gaining through all that.

    Lease? Not a chance...Unless you have one that accomodates 60-80K miles a year? The about 20-40K a yr. Lot of space up here on the prairie and we tend to drive a bit.

    We buy all vehicles outright, both personally and for courier use in the business.

    And for jwilli420...the last truck I had 11 yrs. I purchased for 7700 with cash and got 3000 for it when I sold it. I probably should've never sold it as it ran fine for years after that.

    Anyway, our sales tax in this state for a new vehicle = 3% gotta love it! No income tax either!

    Do your math however you want to. You can justify anything by playing that game. Car dealers do it all the time with your trade-in.

    Fact is: If you buy and sell a vehicle every 2-3 years and never pay one off...even at the lower interest rates of the last decade or so, you are still paying more than buying and holding one RELIABLE vehicle for many years. The insurance alone is big $$$.
  • jake696jake696 Posts: 111
    You folks that like to trade all the time and support the economy, keep it up! I benefit from that - via my investments.

    Unfortunately, some are living way beyond their means. Over mortgaged, with 2 cars and a boat financed is OK...until you go bankrupt and we all pay!
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    Some one who thinks buying consumer goods can, in any way, be an investment?

    The car salesman is right.You make investments with the intention that they will GAIN VALUE.

    When you buy a car, or anything that gets "used up" You are SPENDING money. Not investing it. (as bowke said)You can minimize your expenditure on transportation a number of ways but the money is SPENT not invested.Typically investments never reach $0 value, including stocks and mutual funds, and most actually GAIN value in the long run.

    As was said earlier.You can save a lot of your transportation expense by driving the car more years,not buying fully loaded or luxury models, or not buying new, but with all these options you still eventually reach $0 every time.

    With a lease, you're always paying for the depriciation (plus interest) on a new vehicle-not cheap.

    So, by all means, save money any way you can. If some one spends more than you on transportation then they'll have less to invest. Unless you're spending more than you can afford something else.

  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926

    noun (1615): the outlay of money usually for income or profit : capital outlay; also : the sum invested or the property purchased.
     ------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------Webster's 9th Collegiate Dictionary

    The term "investment" has more than one meaning.

  • tonortonor Posts: 3
    All this 'investment talk' is informative, but I'm more interested in the truck. Has anyone sat in the backseat of the crewcab model? How does the backseat legroom compare to the F250
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    is a little wider, but leg and head room are comparable...also, the back seat is at more of a recline than any of the ford crew cabs.
  • bowke, why is it so hard to believe that people have driven this truck? It's out there man. I know by the time most people read this it will be Dec. 1st and a moot point but it has been funny listening to you insist it was an only dealer rep. thing when i got my first drive in mid november.
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