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2013 and Earlier - Mazda6 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • costello1costello1 Member Posts: 60
    Got a M6 s sdn with sprt pack , moonroof and bose, 6 sd auto on saturday.

    26155 msrp
    24250 sale price
    3500 rebates / gerber included

    20755 OTD $

    Got 6.9 5 financing to be refinanced as soon as I get a clear idea when that can be done . Did I get a good deal??
  • gregski80gregski80 Member Posts: 4
    It seems like the same deal I got - where is your tax? OTD 20,755 does that include taxes? or was it sale price $20,755 plus tax?

    -Just wanted to double check...
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    if you pay off the loan too soon the dealer is charged back the incentive.....so if you pay it off early you might want to find another dealership to do your service work because you won't be very popular....
  • gregski80gregski80 Member Posts: 4
    Its ok, I didn't plan on doing service there anyway. I haven't refinance yet so, I still have time to decide.
  • costello1costello1 Member Posts: 60
    Well I see that I did not include the tax , 5% since I live in Md. I purchased it in Delaware , no sales tax to Delaware residents!! So 20755 not including taxes and tags!! Sorry for the confusion!!
  • costello1costello1 Member Posts: 60
    To get the gerbers rebate form go to :

    mazdausa.com/gerber

    This will get you to the page , type in the info and they will send you by email a form. Print it out and you are good to go.

    I just posted my $ for the same vehicle you seem to be looking for , good luck!!
  • jlam2jlam2 Member Posts: 21
    Looks O.K. but I usually base a good deal form how much money you can taken off from the MSRP. Looks like you got $5405 off from sticker which is good but I think you can get another $1300 if you tried a little harder.

    This is what I did. I e-mailed several dealerships around two weeks before the end of the month. I look at their inventory first to see if they got the car I wanted. They usually reply very quickly within hours. They also will give you the price that they think you will buy(i.e. advertised price, s-plan, etc.) Wait and don't reply immediately. They will contact you a few days later and then usually every day.

    Then tell them you are looking for a certain vehicle and are willing to buy within a week if the price is right and will even buy tommorrow if the price is great. Always use "How much off the MSRP?", this way they won't confused you with options price tricks you don't need for your car. "How much off MSRP?" also gives you a better choice since you are not dealing with one car he/she want to get rid of(i.e. one sitting on a lot for 10 months before Mazda raised its' price twice) but his/her entire lot of cars. Then they will offered you a couple of hundred more off MSRP then the first price.

    E-mail a dealership that is further(i.e greater then 75 miles) from the ones you e-mail. The local dealers don't know how much they are paying when they are that far away. Also check to see your states highest sellers(in numbers) of Mazda Cars. The highest sellers usually gets a bonus(around $400 each car) if they meet certain numbers. Then it's about a couple of days till the end of the month and the local dealers are getting desperate to meet their numbers. Use the quote of the highest selling Mazda dealer since is usually lower because they are getting their bonus and might sell the car you wanted at a slight lost to get that bonus. Squeeze $100-200 more form this dealership by saying, "Give me another(your squeeze discount) and I will be there tommorrow". Remember don't be greedy here and make sure that dealership has the car you wanted. They will bite if you tell them you are setting foot inside their store. At this point you should have a exact price off for any car on the lot.

    Then see if the local dealers will match. If they don't then drive to the lower priced dealer even if they are 75 miles away and pick up your Mazda 6. I save $6750 this way.
  • brizzockbrizzock Member Posts: 3
    That's perfect---thanks very much.

    In my price shopping, I was able to get a price for the Mazda6 s Sport Sedan with the bose/moonroof package for $250 over invoice (before rebates) which put it around $20,550 after the $3000 in rebats and not including the Gerber rebate

    Anyone know what incentives are out for August yet?
  • krzysztof4nowkrzysztof4now Member Posts: 2
    I like your plan, but on a sour note, I'll share a little insight with you about what you are doing. I have sold cars in a past life, and to start off, you are mostly correct in the process to get your best deal. I believe in getting the best deal possible also. Here's the flaw in your system, you never consider the the actual sales person dealing with you. A high majority (95% or better) of dealerships only pay there sales professionals on the invoice price or higher. Once you start banging a sales person around for great deals that cut the invoice price, you effectively strip any commission from said sales pro. At this point, the dealership is only going to pay him/her a "flat" ususally ranging about $50-$75. Now what happens when everyone starts buying their cars at these great deals? In order for a sales pro to make a reasonable living he's going to need to sell at least 35-40 new cars a month. That kind of volume isn't common at most dealerships, in fact most dealerships only sell 35-40 new units per month(usually split among 5 or 8 sales people) We've become so attuned to thinking our money belongs to us that we forget that someone out there is actually working for us in this process. Not all dealerships are guaranteed their volume rebates and bonuses, they actually have to meet or exceed their goals for that month, if not nothing, sometimes 1 sale can mean the difference of a $30,000+ bonus check. But remember, that's the dealership getting that money, the salesman is once again usually left out in the cold on dealership incentives. Just remember, when you are dealing with a sales person, he needs to be able to go home and feed his family also. (I'm not saying they are all impoverished, some are very successfull at what they do, but just keep that in mind when doing business)
  • jlam2jlam2 Member Posts: 21
    You are correct that a saleman has to make money. But it wasn't the salesman who pre-approved the price over the phone with me. It was the sales manager. It was his decision to sell me a car for a certain price and why should I feel guilty if the sales manager was the one who screw his salesperson. The manager could have said, "No" to the deal at any time. Also, notice I said do this at the end of the month, usually with a couple of days to go. A dealership should have an idea if they are going to make the numbers by then. If the dealership doesn't know if they are going to get that extra couple of hundreds in bonuses with only days to go, then they shouldn't be in the car business.
  • etintoreretintorer Member Posts: 7
    How or where do I check which are the highest sellers in CA

    I am in Anaheim, CA
  • jlam2jlam2 Member Posts: 21
    Call them(the dealers up). Would they lied to you? There are usually a plaque around the service area and it shows how many cars were sold last year. The one I purchase from has banners in the showroom saying they were the highest sellers for the last 5 years. The plague stated they sold 850 Mazda cars last year. That's around 3-4 Mazdas a day, 90-120 a good month(minus the slow cold weather months around here).
  • boatsboats Member Posts: 19
    Has anybody figured out what the minimum you have to borrow in order to get the $1000 financing rebate? $5000? $10000? Seems like the first part of the loan is all interest anyway and making payments over 3 or 4 months, the less the loan, the better... but I have no idea how this works... I'd just as soon pay cash for the car, but I don't want to be a fool about it...a discount is a discount is a discount... on the other hand, I don't want to end up going thru the loan process to save a hundred bucks in the end...

    Thanks for any input...
  • jlam2jlam2 Member Posts: 21
    I wanted to only finance $8000 on my car but the finance officer said I have to finance half ($12000) and make 3 payments. Can't wait to get my 1st bill and pay $11500 on my loan. Let see how much interest MAC will get now. Go to bankrate.com and use the loan calculator and see how paying a large 1st payment will reduce the cost of your loan.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    $7000 is the minimum amount financed for 3 payments.

    If the car is paid off early the dealer is charged back the incenitve....so if you pay off the car early make sure you find another dealer to service your car. ;)
  • boatsboats Member Posts: 19
    Well, called the salesman and he says "$7500 and make 3 payments"... bankrate.com is helpful because I can actually see its not going to cost me 900 dollars to the a $1000 rebate... I wasn't sure how the loan was structured... thanks you guys - sounds like it depends on the dealership/finance officer...
  • swemo123swemo123 Member Posts: 2
    I have looked at a couple 05 Mazda 6i's and have two dealers that are matching each other at $21,194 (before incentives)... nothing fancy on the inside (beige interior, AT, redfire metallic paint, sport trim, and 17"... and the bose if they can get it...) This puts me at about $17,700 after rebates (w/ gerber)... and roughly $5,300 under MSRP.... Is this a good deal or should i be looking for more (especially w/ the 06 coming out just around there corner)... Any advice anyone

    Andy in Indiana
  • dankdank Member Posts: 6
    Andy, I think you can do better. With the Gerber rebate, you should be able to get $6,000 off MSRP...maybe even more if you wait until later in the month. Is the $21,194 price for a 6i without the bose/moonroof package?
  • tstauttstaut Member Posts: 2
    Just got a 6s, bose/moonroof, leather, a couple other things (cargo net, deflector, wheel locks, etc)

    MSRP 27,1

    Paid 21,8 plus TTL after MAC cash. Wish i had known about the Gerber rebate sooner.
  • des5des5 Member Posts: 88
    FYI,
    Bought a 6i sport 5spd with bose, leather, and mirror for 5700 off MSRP using S plan, Gerber and MAC (total of $4000). Dealer charges $100 for doc, and $225(!) to add mirror on site, which diluted my savings. They took the Gerber without the original ad. Salesman said call F&I after 3 payments and threaten to refi, they'll drop the rate. S-plan included an additional $500 stair-step rebate. Thanks to you folks here for clueing me in on the Gerber.
    David
  • jlam2jlam2 Member Posts: 21
    I found out there are more rebates out there. You just have to look really hard. Beside the listed rebate and Gerber rebate, there is the ACOG rebate. This rebate is given to doctors and their patients. The ACOG ad (American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists) can be found in a magazine called "Plum", which the ACOG sent to doctors who are members of the ACOG. Then go to mazdausa.com/family and sign up just like the Gerber rebate. The only problem is finding this magazine. Try going to the doctors office or your local university library. Also, if you live near Cinncinatti, Ohio-there is another unlisted rebate I found from the dealership. When I call to get a price for my Mazda 6s the saleman said,"Do you work for Proctor and Gamble and therefore qualify for a special rebate?". Like an idiot, I said no. Anyway, He clam up after that. I asked around and it's like a rebate of around $250. Oh well, You can't win all the time.
  • swemo123swemo123 Member Posts: 2
    I am in agreement with you on that... the dealer keeps telling me that he thinks all the mazda's have the bose system in it... so i am going to hold it to him that it WILL have the system in it before i buy. I think if i can squeeze another $500 or so i will be a go on this... Any additional thoughts???? Thanks for the feedback
  • dankdank Member Posts: 6
    David - how did you find out about this "stair-step" rebate? Did you just tell the dealer you qualified for the S plan and they knew to factor it in? Anybody else know about this rebate?
  • kenny5kenny5 Member Posts: 1
    :) Guys. I am going to purchase one in a week or so. Is there anyone who can recommand me a dealer in eastcoast especailly in NY&NJ area. Please let me know how much you've paid too. It would be great help! Thanks in advance~!
  • des5des5 Member Posts: 88
    After I told the salesman that I had a PIN, he scurries off and comes back with a price better than what I had figured from the sheets available on the web. When he worked up the price sheet, I see he's factored the rebates as $2000 mazda + $1000 MAC + $500 SS + $500 Gerber. I ask him what the SS one is, and he tells me its this stair-step rebate being given to s-plan buyers. This happened on Monday 8/8. Naturally I didn't complain. BTW, this car was made in April.
  • philipgphilipg Member Posts: 2
    what should my goal be for a stripped 6i automatic? MSRP is about 20,500 and invoice about 18,300 if I remember right.
    Is invoice minus the 2000+1000+500 rebates reasonable?

    the only dealer to contact me from edmunds quoted me exactly 1k over invoice for the car, before incentives. Yuck.
  • philip_gphilip_g Member Posts: 3
    By the way, anyone remember how long it took for them to email your gerber certificate? It's holding up my purchase!
  • mikezoomzoommikezoomzoom Member Posts: 69
    Your figures are more than reasonable from your standpoint. You're essentially allowing the dealer to make a whopping $300 to $400 total on the actual sale of a car with an MSRP of approximately $20,500. :(

    What do you really feel is fair? Invoice... or a little over? Any consideration in regards to what a salesperson might make on this sale... or none at all? :cry:

    If your scenario is achieved of $20,500-2,200-2,000-1,000-500 for a grand total of $14,800 +TT&L, you can rest easy and know you got an extremely great deal. :)
  • philipgphilipg Member Posts: 2
    I didn't quite make that, but got close. I got down to 200 over invoice, so using the 2000 and the 1000 that puts me at 16,000, minus the $500 Gerber IF THEY'LL EVER MAIL IT TO ME!

    the sales person is going to see what they can do tomorrow I think.
  • zoommazda3zoommazda3 Member Posts: 8
    I went to a Mazda dealership while it was close so i can just look at its inventor. Mazda6i I saw was regular priced about $22,000 and there was having those discounts that made it down to about $18,100 only if you get finance by Mazda American Credit. Could I still get a better lower deal or is that a good deal?
  • trixie1067trixie1067 Member Posts: 4
  • trixie1067trixie1067 Member Posts: 4
    Here's a quote I got. 2005 MAZDA6 i Sports Sedan - after rebates and what they could do, I got a quote of 15,027. Its MSRP was 19,655. Not automatic. Hope this helps. :D
  • sterling22sterling22 Member Posts: 9
    Check out my posting in this Forum 3 weeks ago (# 1215). I got $1900 off of MSRP on a 6i before any rebates. This is $250 under Edmund's invoice price of 19795. The MSRP on my vehicle was 21605 and I paid 19695 - rebates.
  • redacrredacr Member Posts: 24
    since salespeople add no value to the car buying experience..i say oh well.
    and yes i sold cars too.

    The first dealer principle to figure this out will make a ton.
    All u need is a staff of college kids/young adults..train them in the product..pay them a flat hourly rate along with a stipend for tuition..offer no haggle pricing...have test mules and you'll be set. Have a real internet division that frequents ubb boards associated with that make. word will travel fast when people hear that they can go to a dealership and not feel threathened, test drive and get a decent price.

    man if i had a few million in cash...
  • jlam2jlam2 Member Posts: 21
    Better yet. Go to www.kingsmazda.com and look at the home page where there is a scroll for $5500 off MSRP off any Mazda 6 including a 6i. I can tell you I got alot more off than that. If a dealer in Cincinnati, Ohio can give at least this discount; What are the odds your dealer can also give you this discount or more?
  • pats1pats1 Member Posts: 36
    I recently bought an 05 6s pretty much loaded - sticker just shy of $28K - no NAV but most everything else. The dealer sold it to me for invoice (it checked OK against Edmunds, etc.) minus the $2K Mazda rebate and the $1K MAC rebate, ended up at about $22.3K. I don't think the Gerber rebate being talked about on here is good everywhere in the country. They then gave me way over ($2K - $3.5K) Kelley or Edmunds for my trade. I never expected to get what I got for my '03 Maxima with 57K on the meter and I researched the heck out of it. So, if you have a trade you need to work that end as well. Not everyone can just go for new and not have to worry about their old car. I feel I got a GREAT deal overall. Good luck to all still on the fence.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Actually it was done...it was called the Ford Auto collection. Ford went into several markets around the country, purchased dozens of dealerships and essentially did what you propose....After losing several billion dollars they closed up all auto collection dealerships..sold them back to the traditional dealers and declared the whole thing a total failure....Once again proving the point that cars can not be marketed like toothpaste at walmart...cars are sold not bought.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    The problem with that model is you are posting your prices on the internet for EVERYONE to see.

    If I am your competition down the street all I have to do is beat your number by $100. I would even use it in my advertising.

    "Shop Redacr first but come see Guss last. We guarantee to beat his posted prices."
  • tbear503tbear503 Member Posts: 70
    I'm looking at an 04 6i-auto 4- cylinder with 12,000 miles. Edmunds pricing for my area is almost 17K. The dealer list for it is 16,400. It seems from what I'm reading here that a new one can almost be bought cheaper. Anyway, how does 16, 400 sound for a clean used one?
  • pats1pats1 Member Posts: 36
    Based on my experience (shopping and buying) and what I am reading here, I doubt that $17K will get you a new one with much on it - it likely will not be loaded, b ut maybe that's not what you want to begin with. You have to compare models and options. If you don't want a lot on it, maybe you can get what you want in a new one for $17K. My experience locally with Edmunds prices is that they are a bit on the high side. Others may have had different experiences.
  • brizzockbrizzock Member Posts: 3
    Is there anything else I'll need to use this rebate other than the coupon itself?
  • des5des5 Member Posts: 88
    The coupon says to bring the original offer (a mailer or print ad). But I didn't have one and the dealer never asked for it either. I have read other experiences have been different.

    David
  • escortownerescortowner Member Posts: 132
    sounds like a rip off to me. I bought an 04 6s with 9 miles on it for 17400....
  • allfiredupallfiredup Member Posts: 736
    Hey folks!

    I'm going to be buying a new car in the next week or so and have narrowed my choices to the Mazda3 and Mazda6. The 3 s is a blast to drive, especially with the 5-speed manual. I've also driven both automatic and manual versions of the 6 s, but they're a little more money than I want to spend.

    I've located a dealer with a Lapis Blue 6 i Sport model with Bose/Moonroof and 5-speed manual for $16,998. The car is a demo and has about 8,000 miles on it, but never titled. I priced a new one online thru Edmunds TMV and a few other sources and it looks like a good deal.

    My biggest concern is- does the 6 i 5-speed have enough power? I know the 2.3L is more than adequate in the 3, but I've not driven the 6 with it. This particular dealer is 150 miles from me, so it will be Saturday before I can go check it out. Any input on the matter? Anyone else have the 2.3L/5-speed combo?

    Thanks for any help!
  • des5des5 Member Posts: 88
    I have a 6i with 5 speed, 3 weeks old. This power business is very relative. My prior car was an 1991 Infiniti G20 4cyl 140hp. I always thought it was fine until I drove a friend's Subaru WRX turbo - but I digress. As mentioned elsewhere, the 2.3L comes to life at around 3000rpm and above. The gearing of the tranny is well calibrated to downshifting and zoom-zooming in the power range. So, coupled with the super handling, I get a good enough thrill. Its definitely faster than the G20. Since I drive 80mi a day to work, fuel economy matters, and the 32-33mpg on the first two tanks make for an acceptable balance of economy and driving pleasure.

    You can always test-drive a 6i at a closer dealer just to try one out. Consider that a new '05 model like that should be obtainable for around 18.5K.
  • escortownerescortowner Member Posts: 132
    how's the power....I bought a 6s about 8 months ago for a relative steal and here is my experience with the whole thing so far. Shortly before I bought the 6s I had a Jetta 1.8T (180HP) and test drove the 6i. I knew within about 3 minutes of driving the 6i that I wanted the 6s. The 6s is about as sporty as the Jetta 1.8T, whereas the 6i to me was not nearly as peppy, plus it seemed like the engine had to work a lot harder. So, I think if you are looking for driving experience - then compare the 3 and the 6s. If you are looking for room - compare the 6s and 6i.

    As an additional comment - I ran into similar pricing issues and it basically came down to, would I rather have an additional $20/month in car payments for a more loaded 6s, or settle for a more base model 6s.....I went with the base model 6s - all it has is the sports package, and a stickshift....if I had it to do over again, I would have spent the extra $20/month for the added options. like the bose, a moonroof, and interior the color I really wanted.

    To me, to make that adjustment all it means is eating out 1 fewer times per month. Anyway - those are my comments. While the 6i isn't like driving a fore escort or anything, it isn't like driving a performance sedan either.
  • rfmalrfmal Member Posts: 1
    Just bought a 2005 Mazda 6 GT w/ Sport Grille, Wheel Locks and Compass Autodim Mirror @ $22,780. Is this a fair price?
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    Hmm, you must have thought so since you already bought it for that price. :)
  • wukwuk Member Posts: 12
    quick question on price of the hatchback vs. the sedan....dealer mentioned that the hatch doesn't sell as well here as overseas. was wondering if that means more negotiating room in regards to price. also, any comments on owning hatch vs. sedan would be appreciated (more cabin noise in 5 door? , bose stereo better in one of them? etc)...may throw down $$ today in Chicago for a mazda6, not sure which one to go with. 5 door much more practical, but would like to hear experience. thanks!
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