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Went to Maple Shade Mazda in Turnersville, NJ
The dealer info doesnt add up to me. The invoice I got off of Edmunds said $17,601 plus destination charge. The salesman said that Edmunds was innacurate and the invoice was $19,739. He said the $19,739 included $670 destination fee, a $253 Philadelphia assessment fee (he said all Mazda's have this, its an advertisement fee, I have never heard of it) and a $87 level 2 emission fee (He said NJ requires it... idk). That is $2,138 more than the invoice... That soulds way off to me.
The S-plan is usually the invoice and a 2% discount right? maybe I got the wrong info.
Here's the numbers he gave me
MSRP: 21,020 (Edmunds said it was $18,550)
Invoice including the fees, $19,739 (thats what he said is the lowest he could go) Edmunds said $17,601
Cap reducation of 903.00 (I dont know what that is...)
Term: 36 months
Money factor: .0002300
Cash Due: $1600 (that includes $750 of my money, the 1st month payment, and $850 lease support from Mazda) But now that I just added it.... that doesnt make sense.. It would have to be $1,893.41
Monthly payment 293.41, that does not include gap insurance
He said Taxes are $762.28 , we are 7% in NJ
The it says fees/Lessor $403.30 - he said that was the tags.
Am I getting ripped off or is he actually right? I just dont understand how he can say Edmunds is wrong.
"All New 2009 Mazda 6 Special Supplier Pricing -- You Pay What We Pay!
Maple Shade Mazda is, for a limited time only, offering NO HASSLE, NO HAGGLE, Special Supplier Pricing - PLUS - $1,000 Current Mazda Owner Loyalty Incentive.
Your $1,000 Loyalty cash can be combined with 0% APR financing or a Fantastic Lease Option."
I paid $1,000 under invoice w/0% back in November. I was not a Mazda owner at the time. I used Edmund's site for invoice pricing and added the francise fee to it. Other dealerships in and around Philly also had the fee. I also added the emissions fee provided on Edmunds. I had a good experience at the dealership and can recommend you include them on your dealership list. Good luck, it's a great car!
Was the 1,000 under invoice the OTD price. They said they can not budge under invoice plus the fees.
Thanks
you can email me at tamzab123@hotmail.com
Im supposed to go look at it again tonight... but I heard people get the S-plan at invoice -2% and Im over that for sure....
Did you use the S-plan?
I just factory ordered a 09 Mazda6 iGT w/All Accessories from him to be delivered the last week of March.
I did S-Plan...S-Plan is at Invoice plus Destination ($670.00), Plus a Regional Fee (IL Fee is $336.00)=S-Plan Price..You do not get 2% under...You could get Dealer Cash, which I am getting ($500-$1000) and an S-Plan Rebate (You will know the Rebate $$ (If there is one), when they put your S-Plan Pin in.
You also can get Public Rebates and any Special Financing.
They have to show you the invoice, which shows S-Plan Price.
Hope this helps!!!
If there is $500 to $1000 per unit in dealer cash, then 2% (or more) under invoice would certainly seem possible.
It is Mfg to Dealer Incentives..I know in Dec., I could have received 1000 Bucks.
So, when my car comes in, I have to see what the Dealer Cash is for that month.
I used the S Plan when I purchased my 2005 3 s as well. But from all my research the invoice on the 6i sport is 18729 +670 destination. Now would the S plan price be 2% lower that the invoice price. Since I currently own a 2005 Mazda3, do I still Qualify for the incentives, I had gotten an email stating $1000 loyalty and $1000 cash back.
With that being said does that make my price around $17000?
If this is the case it would be helpful with my trade, unfort. I have negative equity based on the trade ($4000) and what I owe ($8000), I know it is not always wise to incorporate into new car, but I drive many highway miles.
Again, I appreciate any help that anyone can provide, I had issues with Wayne Mazda when I bought my 3, do I need to use the same dealer for the Loyalty etc.
Thanks so much.
Generally you don't or you don't know all the mfr to dealer incentives. Edmunds reports sometimes shows dealer cash in the same place where they show current rebates. I was just responding to a post that claimed dealer cash was available.
When I bought the previous version for about $1000 under invoice, I was told of an incentive from Mazda to the dealer that had enabled that, when I asked how they were able to meet my price. The dealer had advertised a base model at well below invoice, I asked for and got the same discount on a higher trim level.
Dealers have to make money (of course!) to make a good profit and employ/pay w decent wages (if they want to retain employees).
Don't forget to add the "regional assessment" to that. Edmunds does not track the regional advertising fees because they differ from region to region. The regional assessment is charged to the dealer, and is not built in profit. Edmunds also explains that as well.
Now would the S plan price be 2% lower that the invoice price
No. S-Plan enables you to purchase the vehicle at the no haggle price of what ever the invoice price is.
Since I currently own a 2005 Mazda3, do I still Qualify for the incentives, I had gotten an email stating $1000 loyalty and $1000 cash back.
You do qualify for the $1,000 owner loyalty rebate since you own a Mazda, as well as wither taking the $1,000 Dealer Engagement Cash or Mazda's special financing. You cannot combine the Dealer Engagement and special financing.
Currently, Mazda is offering "S-Plan" to all current Mazda owners on the 2009 Mazda6 combined with the $1,000 owner loyalty. They go together. You cannot negotiate with the dealer, and then add the owner loyalty to the price. It's either you use the $1,000 owner loyalty and buy the car for the "S-Plan" price, or you cannot use the rebate, and you negotiate your own price with the dealer. You are better off just taking advantage of Mazda's owner loyalty + S-Plan and then applying the public offer that works for you (special fi or dealer engagement)
I had issues with Wayne Mazda when I bought my 3, do I need to use the same dealer for the Loyalty etc.
No. Buy the Mazda6 where ever you want. There are a load of dealers in Jersey.
I'm planning to get a new Mazda6 s Touring in the next 3-4 months. I really like the cloth/leather combo interior on the Touring with Conv. Pkg. My only complaint is that they aren't heated....only the Grand Touring with all leather has those.
Good luck
--jjf
A 08 mazda 6 (22000msrp) with average miles has a trade in value of $12000 (kbb.com)
A 08 Hyundai Sonata (20000msrp) has a trade in of $11500
A 08 Chevrolet Impala (24000 msrp) has a trade in value of $10500
A 08 22000 msrp Ford Fusion (Relative of the new style 09 Mazda 6?) has a trade in of $12000
A 22000 08 Saturn Aura has a trade in value of $12000
A 22000 Pontiac G6 sedan has a trade in value of $11000.
Thanks
These were also heaviliy discounted, many paid $5000 below MSRP (as did I in 2007). Of course, it would be very foolish to buy a new car and then trade it in after 12 months...who does that?
It's not like one can buy a used car at the trade in price, so I am not sure what the point of that sort of comparison is. A used 2007 Mazda6i is about $12,000 from Hertz, with much higher mileage than I have on mine. I paid only $4000 more than that to buy mine new two years ago.
A 2008 Fusion was based on the first gen Mazda6. The 2009 Mazda6 is nothing like a 2008 Fusion.
Asa matter of fact, the 2010 Fusion has less in common with the 09 Mazda6 then the 2008 Fusion and 03-08 Mazda6.
A 2009 Mazda 6i Sport (2.5L 4cyl), automatic, no options. Those prices include cash back.
Lists at $21,920
Invoice is $20,578
Purchase price is: $18,078 w/o financing, 18,578 w/ financing
this dealer was in NJ.
i am inquiring a 6 speed manual.
your price doesn't include tax, am i right? how much is your cash back? is it only regular $1000 or plus owner loyalty? i plan to finance, and the price they offered is just invoice, there is still some room to haggle.
Thanks!
$3000 off a 22000 base mazda6 wouldn't seem that appealing to me at $19000. I believe the 20000msrp 09 mazda5 is barely worth 13000 in 12 months. $4000 or so off msrp is appropriate here, and your targets (price or price + financing.)
If no movement, a 5, saturn aura or chevy malibu might be worth a shot at $14500 or so, if the ads hold up usually gm loyalty or lease. Possiby you could work something else.
In the auto-news I read that the 6 had the most disappointing sales figures.mazda reported. $5500 was about the discount on the 08 22000msrp 6. This was when the economy was fair. The discounts should be larger, or they got their production in control quick.
Hyundai may discount the 20000 sonata gls 6000 or more in your area, so getting quotes from 6-10 dealers before the holiday or end of month may be fruitful. (for all dealers)
I wouldn't break a leg getting to the dealer for 3k off. The Honda or Toyota may be more desirable in the 19000 range (or less) for a base.
I've seen some abnormally low price figures on the $20000 Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix). $14000 or so with loyalty (or not?). Either way, both vehicles have a trade in of about $13000 1st year. $3500-4000 off msrp wasn't uncommon in past years, so one would want at least this much off now.
Good luck
--jjf
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I'm being quoted 3k off of msrp on any mazda 6 on the lot. seems like a good deal to me, should I jump? also debating the v6 vs the i4, is the v6 mileage really as bad as it sounds?
The '08 Mazda6, although a great driver's car, wasn't class-competitive. The '09 model is has now jumped to the front of the pack, leading the mid-size class in many respects! The improvements will certainly result in a significantly lower rate of depreciation.
if their depreciation really is as bad as you say the best thing to do would by one used with a few months mileage on it and save big. problem is finding one.
The 24000 Impala is barely worth 11000 used.
The $20000 Sonata (said class competitive with Honda) is barely 12000 after a year.
The 20000 09 Mazda5 barely worth 13000 after 12 months.
22000 Saturn Aura about 12000 virtually the same car as the malibu. The malibu maybe the same (not many 08s made)
Perhaps the 22000 mazda6 will outperform at 13000-14000. (the m3 is best in this respect) In any event, don't break a leg for a 19000 deal, as the sales figs for the 6 were the most disappointing of their lineup. The economy is in the tank. A 09 Honda Accord or Toyota Camry may be worth around the 19k.
Good luck
--jjf
This will be my first 6.. drove really well, good accel, handling, was very impressed overall with the ride.
Oh ..does anyone know where I can get or what is needed for the Sirius ready head unit so that I can get The satellite radio going on the car?
Actual selling price of car is 20226. I'm trading in a 2004 Accord so with the trade there is a decent break in the sales tax which is 6% in PA. Right now they have 1500 customer cash back and I also got a 500 preferred customer discount (dealer said they got about 6 of these cards from Mazda and I was given one). Salesman said most dealers get a few of these cards Mazda. Maybe with this info you can get your dealer to give you one.
So After trade and then adding tax is why Price is where it's at. Seems from what I'm reading that its not too bad a deal.