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  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Liberty CRDs are pretty good at throwing trouble codes when there is nothing wrong and even better at throwing codes when there is something wrong. Could you call the dealership and get the codes (if any) and post them here?
  • butchmanbutchman Member Posts: 24
    Is the malfunction light on? If so, are they getting any codes related to EGR or air flow? It could be that the engine is getting EGR (inert gas - already burned) gasses during acceleration. A stuck EGR valve or Air Flow Control (AFC) Valve can cause this. The EGR is in an awful location. Techs hate it. The AFC is much easier to check.

    The AFC valve is on the driver side of the engine. There is a large black tube that goes from the front of the radiator and runs back to the mid part of the engine and is connected in series with the AFC valve. The hose is relatively easy to remove and usually has a tablespoon of black oil in it. Once removed, start the engine and change throttle positions and load while watching the butterfly valve on the AFC unit for proper response. Also, the butterfly can be cleaned without removing it by using a toothbrush and carb cleaner. The EGR valve is located below the AFC unit and tucked down in and under. Stuck closed, engine runs good. Stuck open, acceleration is like limp home mode.
  • hobjrhobjr Member Posts: 3
    Thanks...it is a black smoke, but only small amounts...I'm going to get the codes and post them tomorrow. It sounds like you know more than the Chrysler folks (who I got the impression know absolutely nothing).

    It runs fin at 60-70 mph, at idle it is ok, too...I would think fuel problems would occur at all rpms.

    Also, when the vacuum line is pulled from the waste dump / vent, according to the technician, it runs without a problem. Something, in my opinion, is signaling the vacuum to be on constantly.

    I'll try to get more information
  • hammerboyonehammerboyone Member Posts: 5
    Hello Caribou1.. in referance to your rattling noise:i have had two loud rattles,one was in the rear gate and the other was in the rear upper shock bushings...ive been told that it dont take much wear to have them make noise.. and the rear gate just came out of adjustment.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hi Hammerboyone,
    I found simple ways to "break-in" squeaking components:
    - apply great amplitude of movement for unreachable places (typically offroad obstacles)
    - talc or silicon as lubricant (talc is considered an abrasive)
    - alcohol such as denaturated ethanol for fine lubrication

    Oils and greases often crack or dilute rubber and plastic when they are not synthetic.
    Clear Petroleum jelly (from the family jar) remains quite stable in time where there is a risk of corrosion due to a loss of protective coating (chrome, paint or other).
  • hobjrhobjr Member Posts: 3
    Hope this information helps -

    Error codes were: P0299 - Boost Pressure Sensor Positive
    P0101 - MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor signal neg./pos.

    They also referenced a Technical Service Bulletin TSB 21105

    They have followed the list of actions recommended; with the next being replacing the Turbocharger. They are getting 15 lbs vacuum at idle, but he could not tell me if it drops / increases upon acceleration. They have not made any checks on the EGR nor tried reflashing the system to see if it changes.

    He has ruled out a fuel issue only because of past experience with Diesels. Most CRD problems have been EGR related, but the troubleshooting process for the first code did not include any related checks.

    They are actually now awaiting some feedback from me as to the suggestions you have with these codes. This vehicle has had 2 EGR changes, but it was not a similar symptom. They have reflashed it as well several times.

    Each time before a check engine light would come on (and the light is on this time, too), but the problem was a significant amount of smoke at the exhaust , but no noticable power lost. This time it is reversed - a little smoke and no power / significant surging with acceleration.

    still looking for HELP!!!
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    I just checked my CRD.
    At idle the turbo boost valve pulls 17" Hg measured with a vacuum gauge
    Idle boost is about 25" Hg with max around 68" Hg measured with a scan tool
    I do not remember if I blocked the valve or tied it direct to vacuum but around 70" Hg it will set a code.
    You have not indicated the mileage, but you should also check the BOOST/IAT sensor. If it is plugged up it won't detect the boost and would keep the fuel flow low which would also keep the boost from building up.
    Mine was rather garbaged up at less than 50000 mi.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Black smoke EGR sticking, what you have to do is:

    1 clean your Map sensor
    2 take your Maf sensor and unpluged it, it will give you a light but that is ok. What this do is that will disable your EGR valve and keep you FCV open all the time. This is call ORM. Take it for a ride to see if it work ok. If it does then you wll have to do the SEGR and all your problem will go away for ever.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    In another note code 299 is Map sensor dirty or bad.
    If cleaning it do not do the job then replace it . Price went up 3 month ago.
  • arvmanarvman Member Posts: 95
    absolutely right.I clean mine every 4 months or so,a toothbrush and some brake cleaner.also bleed the fuel filter monthly.once warranty is up will do some mods.
  • butchmanbutchman Member Posts: 24
    Nescosmo, in your message under #2, where you say unplug Maf sensor. What does ORM and SEGR stand for?
    Thanks!
  • mike6206mike6206 Member Posts: 35
    So far, after last year having the CRD in for warranty work which included replacing the EGR valve, F37, etc. I have had no other problems with my CRD except for one. We've just went through alot of cold weather here and the old problem I had last year has come back, being that the fuel likes to back out in one big hurry after the pump clicks off when the tank is full. It acts like there is a blockage in the filler or tank vent because the fuel goes down in "glugs" like a blocked vent. Has anyone had this problem and is there a solution to keep this from happening?

    Also, I noticed that some are changing their oil at 5000-6200 miles. I started the 12,000 change routine at 36,010 and I still use the Mobil Delvac 1 (a.k.a Turbo Diesel Pickup) synthetic in 5w40. I do no towing, just regular highway driving. Good or bad? :confuse:
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    ORM means Off Road Modification.

    and SEGR is a board that you buy and what it does is to Keep the engine light off the dash board and keep the egr valve disable so your engine run better cleaner and use less fuel.
    To find out about this you have to go to L.O.S.T forum and search there for it.
    right now they are getting peaple together for another sell.
    You have to assemble the board or have some of the guy do that for you for small amount of money I been using one for the last 4k and ever since my issues are over. It runs so well that you would not believe it. Go and talk to the guys they will sent you up.

    nescosmo.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Nescosmo,
    If DC had not been forced to install the fancy EGR system you have, this forum would not have survived long. Apart from recent poor quality labor, my truck is as good as new after 5 years of threatening experiences :blush:
    It squeaks, rattles, doesn't really give good mileage but I wouldn't change it for a new one. I was lucky to buy the "de-rated" model where the computer doesn't know anything about the engine :shades:
    The only hiccups generated by the computer concern the lights that sometimes stay on :D To avoid this I don't change anything while the engine is being turned off. I do it before or after.
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    If your driving is all highway, you may be OK with 12000 mile oil changes. But unless you disconnected the EGR (aka the "ORM") I personally wouldn't go past 7-8k even if all highway driving. If it's not all highway driving I would change at 6200 miles (which is what I did) or even a bit less. The oil you're using is good, but since DCX required synthetic anyway, it doesn't mean you can do longer oil changes in this vehicle. And the EGR is recirculating a lot of gas at normal highway speeds, putting soot into the oil.

    Did I mention that my diesel farm tractor, which has no EGR of any kind, had clear-as-new oil when changed for the first time at 110 hours / 12 months of use? EGR puts a lot of soot in the oil.
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    HI CARIBOU ! ,
    How are you Mon Ami... ?
    How is the Jeep running ?
    Last I heard , you had a chatting noise from the compressor clutch bearing.
    It may be this ? that the clutch bearing assembly needs replacing off the the end of the A/C. but more than likely it is just a warn pully .It may not neccesarily be the one off the A/C, but could be any one of the pulleys connected to the serpentine belt and is resonating through the belt to deceive you .
    I have found that changing these out with the serpentine belt reduced the click noise..
    but does not eliminate it totally. This is due to the a load on the Alternator as the engine warms up.your glows plug automatically fire up, as well as your inline electric fuel heater.
    They energize at certain intervals and the clicking noise will be more promenant,until the engine is warmed up.
    Usually it is the Belt tensioner that goes .The usual course is when the belt is changed the tensioner gets changed as well. An extra $38 pulley won't hurt too much .
    It just so happened that in my case the alternator pulley assembly needed changing on mine.
    Oh ! I also noticed that I got better mileage by using 2 cut pieces of cardboard slid in front of the rad to help warm it up quicker.The engine performs better when at running temperature.But don't leave it too long. I usually change the cardboard after a good rain in the winter monthes .Not good for the rad if you have to pick out old card board out of the rad.
    Lightnin...
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hi Lightnin3,
    The rattle goes away at 1100 rpm and comes back below 1000 rpm when the engine is cold. I just tried it this morning.
    I will soon inject alcohol to clean the free wheeling mechanism of the alternator pulley. When I removed it's protective cover (front cap) a lot of fine rust powder came out, but nothing to worry about. My belt tensionner should have been changed when the serpentine belt was replaced, at least it looks clean.
    Instead of cardboard people put curtains in front of their radiator. I had one on my Volvo PV544A - B16a :blush: We had cold winters but never had cold feet at the time.
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    Hello people, just a short note of encouragement..
    I was perusing through the Chrysler internet "dashboard anywhere" when today I came across a headline.
    Apperently A couple went touring through Europe in a Jeep Compass and Jeep Patriot 2.0L Diesel.Filming their amazing adventure of getting 60 mpg,1124 km's/695 miles , on a tank of fuel.they travelled through poland to Germany ,and recorded it to promote Suv's that can get good mileage.
    Also to prove a point that Chrysler "does " make efficient vehicles. Now if only we could convince the upper management to market them in the U.S. Since we make them here in Chicago "BUT DON'T SELL THEM HERE" what a shame. Could it be the advent of our dreams come true????.
    Imagine a North American product doing well and can actually compete...Hmmm....
    Lets hope and pray....that it happens...
    I just thought , I would let you know that someone beat me to the punch, of what I already knew.
    I wanted to make a short video of my jeep pulling a trailer and touting the power and mileage she has in 4WD.
    I will work on getting some info for you..
    lightnin...
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    There is always a tiny lack of information to make something appeal at first glance.
    If you get 60 mpg, you travel at low speed over long distances, you travel alone without luggage, you weigh no more than 145 lbs, you have a 6 speed manual shift, you stay behind whatever precedes you, you don't modulate your speed, you remain in the highest gear until the engine shakes, you don't have the A/C on, you can fold back the right rear view mirror, etc...
    There are many 2.0L common rail engines that deliver more than 170HP, but at what cost in terms of lifestyle. Have you ever ridden a 50cc motorcycle that can reach 100 mph? It's about the same, when one of your knees sticks out of the fairings you loose 25mph :sick:
  • butchmanbutchman Member Posts: 24
    Thanks Nescosmo. I went to L.O.S.T. site and learned a great deal. I plan to disconnect the MAF and clean the MAP and clean the AFC hose. That should clean things up and keep them clean. Can't wait to see clear oil on that dipstick!

    My MIL light (picture of orange engine) is on most of the time from low EGR flow anyway, so having it on due to the MAF being unplugged won't make much difference. If it starts blinking, I will get concerned! I will get a cheap OBD II checker from harbor freight and check it from time to time. I think I have a better chance of trading the CRD in someday (hopefully a long time from now) and explaining it needs a new EGR valve than trying to explain a box connected to the ECM wiring harness that emulates the MAF sensor.

    I have what is probably a stupid question: Sometimes I see the abbreviation MIL (malfunction indicator light) and sometimes CEL (Check Engine Light). Right now my Jeep illuminates the pic of the orange engine (upper right hand corner) and I call that the MIL. If I unplug the MAF there isn't a different light that is going to illuminate is there? The reason I ask is that there is a red engine light that is related to more serious problems (like low oil pressure or overheating) and I do not want to drive with that on all the time. So, if I unplug the MAF it will only illuminate the picture of the orange engine like the EGR malfunction does - right?

    Thank you!
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Hello Caribou1. This is farout past owner of the "green beast". Reading about the 2. l diesels in the Chrysler cars, I thought you might find this of interest. Today Chrysler LLC. announced that by 2011 every model of Chrysler vehicles will be able to buy as a hybred! THAT'S IN THE USA. I think that just might be better than diesels, especially considering Chrysler wants no bio fuel used above B-5. Now I see this as a real switch from bio fuels. Recently the EPA came out with e-85 and e-10 gasoline polutes the air more than just pure gasoline! After we have spent billions of support to corn farmers and now the bio gas is not as good as gasoline! So goes the interest of greedy money making politicans.
    By the way how much is gas and diesel there? we are paying $3.06 for gas and $3.65 for diesel where I live.
    I do look at theforum from time to time, and you have the best CRD out there, I would say.

    farout
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hi Farout,
    Both fuels are 5.20 Euros per US Gal. Today this is not even worth making the conversion with our political exchange rate :sick:

    BMW is coming with a hybrid diesel-electric like we've always had in locomotives. Funny isn't it? I always wanted an HO switcher :shades:
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Yes is the same MIL, not the red light.

    AutoZone have an OBD for about $50.00 and it will erase the light. some guys keep the OBD attach to the plug and when they turn on the engine they erase the light for the rest of the day, you could try that. Run your CRD hard so you can clean as much as you can the intake. Clean the flapper on the AFC with carb cleaner or engine cleaner, Get an screw driver with a damp rag with the cleaner and push it in to the chamber as much as you can to get soot out, when you start the engine after this it will crank with difficulty but after it run it will clear out and run smooth.

    make sure that you cover the plug and the female with masking tape so no dirt get to it for future use. Make sure that you air filter is clean and in the right position and also make sure that you bleed the air out of the filter head every week.

    Nescosmo.......
  • carmelo1carmelo1 Member Posts: 1
    i have a 2003 sport liberty with 3.7 and i like to change the motor to 2.8 crd diesel it is a 4x2 and auto trans can you or you have any thing heard on that isue !? thanks !
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    I have never heard of switching the engine from 3.7 gas to 2.8 diesel. The auto transmission used with the 3.7 gas is completely different from the auto used with the 2.8 diesel. Nearly every part of the drivetrain is also different. While I won't say it can't be done, I expect that the expense and hassle of a switch would be many times greater than selling your gas Liberty and buying a used CRD in its place.
  • mngoatmngoat Member Posts: 1
    Have been trying to sign up(register) but don't seem to be able to. I can create an account and get an email from them but it tells me i will recieve another to activate account but i never get this second email. Anyone else have this issue with them. Would like to get a SEGR unit. Thanks.
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    I thought you guys would want to see this.I was hoping someone would post it in a newspaper somewhere in the U.S.
    As more people realize that there will be a market out there for these small engines.I am hoping market pressure will bring on new innovation and we just might see the diesel Libby back in our midst again.
    It's funny that we make these cars and don't sell them here, because this summer we are sure going to need them. Maybe even a the diesel Chrysler minivan which are made in Graz Austria.
    The big debate is the cost of making a diesel engine America.Some are not willing to pay more than $1500 for the option.But with the price of fuel as it is , I can see lots of incentive to key in on this market.
    Here is a link for you guys to behold...
    Oh and we assemble these in the Belvadere plant in Chicago.ILL. right next to the gaser patriots ,compasses,and Calibers.
    I remember asking "why can't we get one in America??" at the Auto show debut 4 yr ago. after they were "touting the mileage" and diesel option..the announcer couldn't answer me. I think we are our worst enemy sometimes.
    Have fun reading the link...but I would like to do a video of me towing or tavelling showing how I achieve my mileage too in my Libby..and posting it..but I think you guys wouldn't be too impressed unless I interview some people on how they would love one or what they think?? and post it,,just to send it into my CEO's email..
    What do you think??
    link title
  • f250dieself250diesel Member Posts: 2
    I use to drive a 1985 Escort 4 door with a 2.0L Diesel. It got 50 MPG on the Highway and about 60 intown. It ran 75 miles an hour even up hills. Just because you do not like Diesels doesn't make a bad.
  • sthogesthoge Member Posts: 28
    I had a 1984 Escort 2 door with the 2.0L diesel and it got 45 to 50 mpg(hand calculated) and I used it for my service vehicle, averaging 50,000 miles per year. I traded it in, it had 225,000 miles and still had the original brakes and clutch. That was a great car, paid an extra 700 for the diesel option, and there was a 500 loss when traded it in. Since the company paid me mileage, and the cost per mile was so low at the time, it more than paid for itself. Ah, the good ole days....
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hi Lightning3,
    A colleague of mine used to say "A man's will is a man's paradise".
    I can understand how these vehicles achieved such great mileage: Northern Europe is flat and almost at sea level. Add night travel over long distances on beautiful roads and you've almost found the proper ingredients.
    I drive 40 miles per day and I stay between 1.5 and 2 hours behind the wheel. The best result I get varies between 11.5 and 12.5 liters/100 Km and this is considered very good here. If my same engine had 200Hp I would certainly get better mileage, but as it stands today my truck never gave me any problem. I just have to pay more for fuel to keep my peace of mind.
  • buckeyedisldogbuckeyedisldog Member Posts: 22
    My Jeep Liberty CRD 2.8 is once again being towed from home unable to turn over under it's own power after sitting in my garage for 4 days. Sure, I could jump start it again. This will be replacement battery # 2 and visit #3 for this problem. Between this and all the recalls I am starting to get that sinking feeling. Someone cheer me up!
  • storageguystorageguy Member Posts: 30
    . A previous message in this blog said that the factory had hooked up the trailer package incorrectly, that it was constantly drawing juice, and that by changing the wires so that there was power only when the key was on.
    This was supposed to have fixed the problem.
  • sthogesthoge Member Posts: 28
    I was the one that posted that, and since then, we have had at least one time where the rig sat for 7 days, when we jumped in it, it spun right over as if it had just been running. The changes the dealer made to the tow package wire harness did the job as before we couldn't let it set more than 3 days and we would have to jump start it.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    I remember reading someone had a similar issue with the fuel heater that staid ON all the time (inside the bowl of the fuel filter). When a recent battery dies in such a case it remains ready to be charged again and doesn't suffer from a slow discharge. It's even good for certain batteries because it re generates the anode-cathode plates by re distributing the lead oxide. If a battery is older than 5 years, well... :sick:
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hi all,
    We were recently informed that the EU will no longer develop nor promote substitution fuels. Apparently someone just discovered either you had to be rich to change your vehicle for a newer model that accepts ethanol and biodiesel or it was too easy to cheat and burn vegetable oil without paying taxes.

    Are we idiots or taken for being so? What's the trend in the States?
  • moparman2moparman2 Member Posts: 2
    :lemon: Consider yourself lucky, My 05" Liberty Diesel was in the shop for the first four out of six weeks I owned it. Had it towed three times for various starting issues and had an oil leak that was never fixed.
    Also you I could not take it thru a car wash because it would stall and need to dry out 4-6 hours before it would run again.
    As a true blue Chrysler fanatic since 1971 I have Proudly owned over 12 chrysler vehicles. I currently still have my 99 Prowler which I will keep in the family.
    However, after I was treated so rudely and unprofessional by the St. Louis Chrysler Rep. I sold the Lemon and bought my first Toyota.
    Good bye Chrysler!
  • zachinmizachinmi Member Posts: 228
    The big news here is more studies saying that ethanol (from corn) is no better than petroleum and quite possibly worse for the environment. Biodiesel was hot here from 2004-06 but has cooled considerably, probably because soybeans are now too valuable to use as fuel (surprise!) and fewer are being planted anyway because of the corn-ethanol boom. We have rising corn prices, ethanol prices, and prices of all other field crops due to the biofuel subsidy boom. Perhaps in 5-10 years those subsidies will be removed and the market (such as it is) may attempt to correct itself.

    My area of Michigan is prime for both corn and soybeans, and in fact soy biodiesel was widespread here already several years ago. But in the last two years I know of only one station that has added B20 biodiesel within a 80 mile radius of my house. E85 attempted to take off but really fell flat - I can get it at 3 stations within say 40 miles of here, but no more stations have added it, and it's way overpriced at just 30 cents less than regular gasoline (about 10% less, when the energy content is decreased much more than that).

    While I don't want to live in the EU, I do envy you having more public awareness of science and more discourse based on claims that are much closer to the real science. Some places go overboard - London stands out, as well as the widespread fear of GMO food - but at least issues are being looked at a bit more closely.

    I personally still think that oil from algae and cellulosic ethanol have a lot of promise, but neither is really on the market yet.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Zachinmi, here is the local approach to produce fuel from algae:
    http://www-sop.inria.fr/comore/shamash/wwweng/engindex.html

    Spain has a wonderful card to play in this domain. Instead of oil fields they have the will, lots of sun and an ocean to exploit :shades:

    I was told that the total energy involved to produce and operate a Toyota Hybrid during 10 years is greater than that of a Hummer!
    I don't think we are ready to understand this yet.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    In Nebraska ethanol is in the process of failing even with the huge NE tax credits and the federal subsidy. Investment in new facilities has stopped and some existing plans have been put on hold. Any independent analysis that shows that ethanol does not work economically gets trashed by industry hired analysts and we push blindly on. It is quite possible and even very likely that the US is using more oil and energy to produce ethanol and distribute it than we would use just burning oil outright. :sick:
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Caribou1, I read somewhere that the hypedbrid will be the first car to depreciate to zero because at some point the value of the car is equal to the cost of replacing the battery. Yet, every analysis I read comparing a diesel to its gasoline sister talks about the higher cost of a diesel and the miles that must be driven to pay back. The analyses never seem to include the higher resale value that most diesels have. :confuse:
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Moparman2, I am beginning to admire those who can accept reality and have the courage to move on. :)
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Siberia, the higher resale value of a diesel was true 15 years ago when you drove at least 25,000 miles per year, or you had a taxi license. This was true for European conditions where cost of fuel and labor were sky high compared to yours.

    Early gasoline fuel injection that only had airflow metering made engines more reliable, and when ECUs showed up they were again more reliable!

    Add to this the vast improvement of lubricant filtration from the jig boring machine to the oil filter of the engine. We went from steel wool to electronic grade filtration. This costs in terms of health (smaller particles penetrate deeper in the lungs) but helps combustion and performance :sick:

    I think the technology of our CRD reached it's economical / viable asymptote.

    After 5 years what can I observe?
    - Reliability is directly related to procurement sources chosen by DC
    - Threatening of clients forcing undue repairs makes dealers live and DC is involved
    - Metal body elements are galvanized like on other "good" vehicles, not special to DC
    - Plastic fenders are completely loose due to poor quality assurance from DC
    - Transmission has loads of wear and play due to poor quality assurance from DC
    - Why were the grease inserts removed from all articulations? DC quality assurance was here...
    - What do I do when DC sends me the Jeep brochure? I have to drive 3 miles to bring it to the selective garbage collection. Return trip costs me ~5USD :sick:
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Caribou1, in the US most diesels still sell for a premium over their gasoline counterparts even with higher diesel fuel prices (especially VW TDIs). There is already a waiting line for new Jetta diesels coming out later this year.

    I purchased a plastic rivet gun and a sack full of plastic rivets to reattach plastic parts that are coming lose. In some cases it takes more than a new rivet to return to new fit. :sick:
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    moparman2: Did you ask for a buy back? If you bought it new and it was below 36,000 ,iles it just might have gone that way. Our "Green Beast" was an 05 and it was in the shop 25 times in 15 months. DCX bought it back and they were great.
    As we see diesel is $3.92 here and gas is $3.17 we are sooooo.....pleased we got rid of the CRD. We took a Jeep Compass 4x4 as a replacement. That was a huge pild of plastic, cheap engine, and CVT trans was junk! We traded it in on a Pacifica Touring AWD and we are so pleased wit it. We get a honest 24 to 26 mpg! The Compass got 22 mpg. We have bought 13 new Chrysler vehicles and only two were not up to snuff. I will stay with Chrysler. The Lifetime Powertrain and Life time Service Contract Warranty just might make the last vehicle i will need to buy. ( we hope)

    farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    lightnin3: The problem we have here is the US is that diesel refinery capacity is at max now and that's one reason the cost is up. High demand limited desiel production equals higher priced fuel. The market for diesels is there, bot until the fuel price comes down no no matter what the mpg is the public only sees the price per gallon. The GC Blue engine has not been agood seller, mainly because the vehicle is a high priced and few can afford the GC.
    As for smaller cars like the Caliber, if Chrysler did nottrain the tec's better that they did on the Liberty CRD then it would flop too. Add this to the fact that ethanol fuel puts mor polution into the air than just plain old gas, we have a real mess in the US.
    I do not understand how a Caliber with the weight of 3000 lbs+ and gets less than 28 mpg is better than a Neon that gets 33 mpg and was less weight has helped improve our fuel shortage. The MFG's of vehicles are still pushung more horse power, bigger bodies, heavier weight, and this seems to be in the wrong direction to me.

    farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Caribou1: Greeting friend, farout here once again. Just a few observations. MOPAR has a 2.8 CRD that will fit into the Wranglers, and other Jeeps now. They have an EGR system, but not a turbo. I guess you have to get that in a different kit. I have no idea how much $ it is, but I'll bet it is no bargin.
    Am I hearing you right? Do you no longer like your CRD? It was hard for me to understand what you were saying.
    We still are enjoying the Chrysler Pacifica Touring AWD. We are getting 24 to 26 mpg, which is great as far as we are concerned. We go every where we went with the Jeep's and not near as rough a ride. The 2008 is the last of the Pacifica's! Dumb on Chryslers part, they never advertized for the PAC, much like the CRD's.
    Diesle here is $3.92 to $4.05 and gas is $3.17, I am sure your fuel is much more, I wish we could send you a tanker full for you.
    I do not know if you have heard how Chrysler is dropping about 12 to 14 cars here. I hope the Compass is one, the Nitro, PT Crusier, and the Sebring, ans the Durango, and aspen seem to be a few that ahve been mentioned in Motor Trend.
    I did see the new Dodge Journey. It has the cheap plastic interior, and crapy 2.4 L "World Engine" I was not impressed and feel if they want to sell a bunch they need to upgrade the insides or its just another old DCX leftover.
    Well I still keep on eye on this forum, so keep up the posts, always fine your posts interesting.

    farout
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hi Farout, it's nice to read you again.
    I will keep this truck but I may change bits and pieces to simplify it further along the way...
    I enjoy the size, power, design and type of service it gives me, but I have the tendency to remove things that I don't really need.

    It's like old shoes: you wear them because you're used to them ;)

    Running this type of vehicle in the EU costs an arm and a leg. So people have to quit smoking and drinking to carry on which means they will live longer and ruin the pension funds. Perhaps we should drive expensive cars :surprise:

    Generally speaking I don't mind rattles and squeaks: I find them funny and disturbing for Chrysler, not for me! Today if I see people looking at second hand vehicles, I simply drive around the dealership with my rattling rig and potential buyers will think twice before they sign :shades:
    I had EXPORT"A" cigarette pack carboard rubbing against my bicycle wheels when I was a little younger :)
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Hi Farout, how ya doin. I just read yesterday that the US military uses 140 million bbls of oil each year, 40 million more than usual because of Iraq and Afg. Most of what the US uses is diesel and jet fuel. I also read that the US oil companies are exporting refined diesel fuel to Europe. Markets are mysterious, not really.

    The supply curve for oil is vertical and maybe shifting to the left. I was able to derive a demand curve for oil in the US using national data. The demand curve is nonlinear and prices are at the inelastic portion of the curve that is quite steep. The upshot is that when we bid up the price to get more oil there is no more oil to be supplied and we are just bidding against other bidders and the price goes straight up. If someone else wants it they have to outbid us. Yes, oil can move into and out of inventory but that is a very temporary solution. The good new is that if everyone could some how demand a little less oil over time the price coul drop as quickly as it has gone up. But what is the chance of that? :sick:

    The oil companies are caught between a pillow and a soft place.

    Generally speaking I don't mind rattles and squeaks: I find them funny and disturbing for Chrysler, not for me! Today if I see people looking at second hand vehicles, I simply drive around the dealership with my rattling rig and potential buyers will think twice before they sign
    I had EXPORT"A" cigarette pack carboard rubbing against my bicycle wheels when I was a little younger

    Caribou1, I still have not isolated the sympathetic rattle in my CRD. It is impossible to isolate the noise within the racket. So I'm gonna run her till she blows! I read the above portion of your post out loud to my wife and we both had a good loud laugh. :)
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Siberia, as long as you hear the rattle you're alive and OK :P

    We have a resonance that builds up in the exhaust system under 1,000 rpm when the engine is cold. We've spoken about the "smooth" running condition a few years ago and I noticed that acceleration is limited until the engine performs evenly (even angular acceleration), and this is when my engine is very noisy. But I always drive with the radio volume set to 20. I'm not getting deaf and the engine doesn't make more noise than when I got it new :blush:

    The same applies to my 'ancient' BFG T/As; they perform very well after 50,000 miles and they're not getting noisier. I just shift into 4WD more often when I see wet pavement ahead. I still have 1/4" left above the wear marks. These tires are simply remarkable. I don't know if they make them for bicycles :confuse:

    By the way, have you seen our first lady? Vive la France!
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    Siberia: Speaking of oil...$$$$$$....we get most of our imported oil from CANADA!!! Here is a real stupid thing, Alaska Pipe Line oil mainly goes to.......JAPAN!!!! The oil is managed by BP oil. Now are our politicans dumb or just plane trying to brakrupt the hole country so we can become citizens of China? We owe so much that China already ownes a numver of huge USA companies.
    I have been a voter that has voted on the Political parties planks. As a Protestant Christian, I have supported canidates who did not support abortion. When I see how George Bush has taken us into a pre-emptive war, which the USA HAS NEVER DONE BEFORE, and taken advantage of the National Gaurd, I am sick. Some Soldier's and Sailors, and Airman have served 5 tours!! This is unthinkable to treat our service persons and their families with shuch disregard, and abuse. The lies we have been told, like "weapons of mass destruction" were in Iraque. President Bush and his administration have abused their power, and taken the trust the country had for them and totally lied to us all. More than 4,000 US service persons have died for the reasons that have turned out to be lies. Never again does Congress have the right to assume what they are being told by a President it true. Everything MUST be proven true beyond any doubt. I am sure there has been some good, but we were deceived and the good is a biproduct of the wrong that has been done.
    The oil hit $117.00 yesterday. This is mainly due to the greed of speculators who are driving up oil futures to make more money at what ever cost it takes on the backs of our citizens, and the destruction of our economy.
    You got me going, and I chased a huge PIG, not a rabbit as they are not dangerious as a wild PIG.
    God help the USA and the World.

    farout
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