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Toyota Sienna 2004+
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Backy, reading your first post- thank you, it was very informational (even though I have no intentions of buying a minivan, I think that this one has so much to offer, perhaps it will change the way people look at minivans).
One question though- cant the middle row seats in the 7 passenger version be moved alongside each other?
Otherwise, my only other question would be regarding power- if Toyota is predicting 8.4 to 60, then either the posters here are used to very speedy cars, or Toyota's claims are off base, as everyone seems to be describing the engine as "adequate" "good", etc. In my understanding, 8.4 to 60 would be at the top of the class.
~alpha
>seat (it's on the right lower edge of the seat,
>very handy) and slide the seats together or apart.
If I am not mistaken, I don't think you can slide the seat in middle row forward and backward in Mazda MPV? Maybe it is difficult to design both features together; and Toyota believe forward and backward movement is a more demanded feature.
Try to find just a basic CE, LE or XLE. You won't find such an animal. I like Honda's pricing - they really keep it simple. It doesn't make all customers happy, but it's not deceptive and you know up front what you can/cannot definitely get.
Good deals can only happen when the market is not very efficient. When you make the market efficient, everybody pays the same price...in this case, MSRP!
So, while the idea of a telescoping steering wheel is commendable, the lack of legroom defeats it. Pity. It looks like a really nice van.
True, today. But wait a few months. Toyota is trying to double their Sienna sales in a down market in which minivan sales continue to slip and strong competitors such as the '04 Ody, '04 Quest, MPV, and heavily-discounted DC, Ford, and GM vans will fight for sales. To compete, Toyota will need to give buyers what they want, at a good price.
what about the legroom in the 3rd seat how does it compare to ody, and in real world use.
wait--as time goes on options change, this is the time to get "early adopters" $$$$$ then reality sets in, especially as fall comes and inventories expand, what do you think will happen when the o4 ody hits the dealers????? as soon as ody changes for 04 come out sienna selling at discounts and better option packaging will arrive. what else is there besides ody and sienna for you people????
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When gauge indicated 1/8 full the low gas warning light came on and trip computer indicated I had 15 miles left. After 10 more miles of travel and needle still showing close to 1/8 full, I gassed up. It took 21.1 gallons. How is that possible? Isn't it a 21 gallon tank? I appreciate any thoughts. By the way, FD 7 Pass LE in 50% highway and 50% city is getting 23 miles to a gallon (462/21) and the trip computer showed 23.7 miles per gallon.
I used Columbia Fleet’s pricing in my negotiations with a couple dealers since we didn’t need the van right away. They knew if they didn’t match the price, I would go ahead and order the vehicle through CF. But I would only contact them if you intend to buy the vehicle. CF will probably stop giving out quotes if people just use them to get dealers to match their price.
Has anyone else had this seat problem? I don't think the vans are selling very well either. I think the dealers are trying to get MSRP +2k and the public is telling them to go pound sand.
jgeorgempv: My sentiments exactly! I drove my neighbor's Sienna XLE with leather seats and felt the driver's seat was very uncomfortable (felt like a hard wood chair), unlike any other car I've sat in.
For reference I also test drove the GMC Yukon a couple of times (last week) and even a short run produced a leg/butt cramp. However, my friend has a 2002 Yukon and the seats, now worn in, are amazing even on a long haul.
I am assuming that some seats are like Birkenstocks. The harder materials will somewhat mold to the body in short order and last longer before losing support. I remember an article on the revised Yukon in 2000 stating that materials used in the seats were designed to last 10 years supporting a higher average weight compared to industry average.
Just some thoughts.
Is this just incomplete info on the Edmunds site, or are there really differences between FWD and AWD XLS's?
Thanks in advance.
Most of the CE Siennas here in Jacksonville had no options...not even a Cruise Control!!
But some equipped with Cruise & Roof Rack are coming.
The week long drive was excellant......my MPG averaged 22 MPG hwy/city on regular gas carrying 5 passengers & all of their gear...the basic sound system (6 speaker am/fm/cass/cd) was good (JBL not available on the CE models) & seat comfort was good (I'm 5'6") and I had excellant visibility....the outside mirrors are a good size without being too truckish...
Wife & kids said the middle & rear seats were as comfortable as the Previa.
The rear storage area is so deep our vacation gear didn't even block my view out the rear window!!!
Plenty of power in the hills of North Georgia....
A few negatives-
No cruise control on the van I drove
I had several differant people ride up front..two of them said the wiper on that side of the van was too small compared to the (larger) driver wiper....I didn't have a visibility issue from the driver prospective
The interior colors are too light...the Georgia clay messed up the floor mats....I would consider the rubber "all-weather" mats if they were available
We are still contemplating buying a CE but i would have to special order it with the rear disc brake package...
Anyone in the market for a 1995 Previa LE?
Dealer 2 in Central Illinois..the manager called back...what can we do to earn your business. My wife told him to match the deal, get us what we want for April, and we would sign...still wouldn't budge.
Columbia Fleet...no complaints at BBB in Oregon and a member of the Chamber of Commerce in Oregon...in existence since 1993. To clarify CF only sells to businesses or individuals who work for companies that make fleet purchase...thus this limits their market. The downside..have to wait 3 months to get our van and need another car now. The upside...great price for a new model, the dealers must honor the vehicle warrenty, option packages are of our choosing. Just sent them a deposit check and need to pick a dealer for delivery.
Thanks!
Thanks, Ken
Steve, Host
Sienna's.
link to U.S. brochure download:
http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/sienna/
link to Canadian brochure download:
http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/WWW.woa/5/wo/Home.Vehicle- s.Go.Sienna-hVTVma7HsbhAyVXhqn1f8w/13.15?%2e%2e%2fsienna2004%2fv1- 51080e%2ehtml
Has anybody actually taken the time to figure out (taking in to account the exchange on the dollar), which consumers are actually getting a better deal?
* Underbody & Rust Protection
* Fabric Guard
* Paint Protection with Teflon
* Extra Care Protection
Does anyone have experience with these programs and how well they work?
I was some time ago looking a a car with leather, it was added to the sticker...i asked how is leather protected with "fabric protector" and laughed, he laughed too, with no comment. i moved on to another dealer.
RUST PROOFING--LAUGH GIVE ME A BREAK check the brochure they describe the process...they are using galvanized metal as a dipping process before painting. LAUGH
undercoating can decrease noise but come on now.
Paint is already clearcoat and protected. like i said WASTE OF MONEY
Did anyone got a nice deal on Sienna '04 XLE AWD
Limited in and around VA. Please let me know your
dealer details and the deal details. I don't mind
travelling upto Philly, NJ if I could get a good
deal.
I really appreciate your responses.
Thanks!
Biggest negatives: definitely a rougher ride than the FWD XLE I tested but smoother than my 96 Blazer, Baffling noise when rear windows are rolled down with the front up (really hurt my ears, but it sounds like this is a common problem with a lot of vehicles), and room available to reach rear seat with middle seats set next to one another.
Biggest positives: look (it stands about an inch taller and I really liked the different feel of that slight increase), comfort, sound-level, handling (tried a hard-swerve to left followed by a hard-swerve to the right as a reviewer of a pre-production AWD model mentioned that to make the second swerve took a lot of strength as the steering kind of froze...this did not happen to me), body-lean was much better than my Blazer, room available to reach rear seat with a middle seat tumbled forward, and comfort in all seating positions at the same time (although I will likely not spend much time in the middle seats and even less in the rear seat, I require that I can feel comfortable in all the seats at the same time so if someone my size is sitting behind me, we can both be comfortable. Not many vehicles can meet this criteria. The Sienna does it well.)
Other things of interest I thought of after reading some posts in this forum:
Shifter-Even at my size, I had no problem getting up and walking from the driver seat to the rear of the vehicle...at no time did my knee or ankle come close to hitting the shifter. From the passenger seat, the only way you could move while at highway speeds, the shifter is even more out-of-the-way than for the driver. One would need to be extremely uncoordinated to hit the shifter while moving from the front to the back.
Rear-seat: After some struggles figuring out how to get the rear seat to switch from up to flat and back, I realized the problem was not that it was difficult, but that I was pushing in the wrong places or at the wrong times. Once I determined the best way to do it, it was really easy.
Middle seats: Again it took a little bit of time to figure out how to remove the seats, but it is intuitive enough for me to get it without too much time or struggle. I am a fairly large man so strength should not be an issue and I use that as a guide. If I am exerting too much, I am doing something wrong. Basically, if it is that hard for me, it would be impossible for my wife. Once I figured it out, the seats removed pretty easily and was pretty easy to shift and re-set into its other position.
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Thanks again for your help! Marcy
Is there anyone out there who has been able to purchase an XLE without being required to also buy package 12 or 17? I am interested in the ability to purchase the XLE with package 3 only.
Thanks, Tom
A Toyota dealer told me today to start looking for discounts on the 04 Sienna in a couple of months, so if you can hold out till then, it may be worth it.
From what I understand, at a time like this, the best way to get a better price is to special order and have a willingness to wait for the vehicle. A vehicle on a lot is a potential new buyer. It is a car that can be test-driven and walked around and have its tires kicked. In a lot of ways it is worth more to the dealership on their lot than it would make for them to sell it. So, if they are going to sell it...they're going to get top dollar.
When a vehicle is overstocked, however, the opposite is true. The dealership has too many in stock and don't want to order a special one. They need to move the inventory they have. The best deals in that situation are buying off-the-lot.
Just my 2 cents, I guess.
We are interested in the XLE with Pkg 16, which includes everything except for Nav and 17" Wheels. The list price differnce between this XLE and the Limited with DVD is about $1,400.
Do you think it's worth the xtra ~$1,400 for 17" wheels, HID, Wood steering wheel, laser cruise control, intuitive parking assist, and more chrome all around?
I realize this is a somewhat subjective question, just wondering if people who are looking at a pretty much loaded XLE think it's worth moving up to the Limited.
Thanks in advance.
The laser cruise is better than I thought it would be. It is not a must have, but if it is there you will use it on city to city trips.
You also get the auto-dimming electrochromic driver's side mirror and inside rear view mirror. We got our LTD for $34K with DVD and running boards.
I want to get traction control, but Toyota only sells it with side air bags and curtain air bags. On long trips passengers in our van will sometimes sleep with pillows against the door or side, which sounds dangerous according to this quote from Toyota's web site:
"... To decrease the risk of injury from a deploying air bag, always wear seatbelts, sit upright in the middle of the seat as far back as possible from the air bag modules and do not lean against the door. ... The force of a deploying air bag may cause serious injury or death. ..."
So, can you turn them off when you want to sleep??
Thanks.
When you approach someone very quickly it reacts very quickly and slows you down very fast..it even sets off an audible alarm and some lights flash. After setting your speed, you can toggle up or down in 5km/hr increments. I was very impressed. The HID lights are also much better that I expected.